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[–] 133 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

Why are HOAs so obsessed with "consistency"?

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  • [–] 130 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's a euphemism for "control".

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Well and sometimes control is good, right? Like if it's an apartment building where the units are owned by the tenants or condos or even row houses it helps to have an established self governed organization of some kind to keep ground rules for shared walls / roofs at the very least. And even in fully separate housing it can help if there are shared community areas like a clubhouse, pool, playground, etc. There are two main problems though:

    First of all, self governance requires active participation of at least most but ideally all members. You run into that same problem with any kind of self governance and that's how even very good things like unions can get a bad reputation. If you don't actively participate in union discussions they can easily be corrupted and wind up as an even more insidious control tactic by the employer.

    The second problem is specific to the history of HOAs in the United States. The concept itself was fundamentally started as a way to discourage racially integrated residential areas, then extended to discourage other types of minorities. Yes you see HOAs focusing on petty things like door color but more importantly you'll see them pushing other, more insidious restrictions. When you place restrictions on outdoor decorations you're often restricting specific religious and cultural traditions. If you're only allowed to put up lights within a certain window surrounding Christmas, you're pressuring people to not observe holidays with light displays that occur at other times of the year. When you restrict the amount of unmarried adults in a house you're pushing out poor people who need roommates and and cultures that live generationally, as well as homosexuals in areas where they're not allowed to get married / claim marital privileges.

    So while there are some practical benefits, the history of HOAs requires highly active and intentional participation from everyone involved to overcome the dark history of the concept and there are very few situations in which that's worth it, especially in a community where the houses are not physically connected.

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  • [+] 21 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)
  • [–] 45 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    dole

    To give out, especially in portions or shares; allot or distribute. Often used with out: synonym: distribute.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    probably for the best, it doesn't seem to be working for you

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    but I'm so good at it.....

    why you gotta take that away?

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  • [+] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    That specific symptom is actually more consistent with something called obsessive compulsive personality disorder which has some overlap with OCD the anxiety disorder but usually presents with less bizarre obsession-compulsion links and usually less insight, because usually nothing they're doing is overtly nonsensical. The maladaptive / disordered aspect is more that they're allowing their obsession with rules to impact their relationship or even impose actively harmful restrictions on the people around them.

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    [–] 126 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    You absolutely must give out full size candy bars. What happens if Death visits?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I instead buy many pounds of bulk wrapped candy from nuts.com (or any other place) and then hand scoops of candy out.

    The kids love having a 2 cup scoop of candy poured in their bag.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    We often buy too much candy. When we realize we did, we usually have a soulful moment where we need to decide how much candy we're keeping for ourselves. Yes, we can buy candy anytime but we're adults so we usually don't buy bags of little sugar pucks.
    After we've broken our hearts taking more than we need and less than we want, we usually try to wait until it's the last kid of the night who's old enough to understand but young enough to be utterly bombastically awestruck and dump some preposterous amount of candy in their bag after doing a quick non-verbal "you cool with this happening?" Negotiation with their parent.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    The whole concept of HOA is crazy for me

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    HOA seems a very bad idea. HOA in the US is terrifying.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Sadly, corporate buyout of homes into perma-rent hell is so much worse in how insidious it is.

    You really just have to hope against hope that if you are stuck with a HOA, they're already reasonable or can be wrangled into it.

    Corporations are nigh untouchable, and that's horrifying.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    ATM, the HOA in my neighborhood is very very tolerable. The money (all $100 per year) goes towards maintaining landscaping and the signage. The only "restrictions" they have are no above ground pools (which I 100% agree with and they were rather powerless when someone actually installed one), and if you're gonna put in a detached shed, at least try to make it a permanent structure instead of some cheapo plastic plastic thing from walmart or lowes.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    it sounds almost reasonable for those weird buildings where people "own" their unit or share walls

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    So most apartments in most countries in the world? Sure. Not sure why you have "own" in quotation marks, it's quite normal outside of the US where you get "condos" with a ton of fees.

    Usually every apartment owner gets an equal say in what happens e.g for planning and financing renovations, hallway cleaning (take turns on a weekly basis or hire a service or hire some retired person who lives in the building as a part-time job), etc.

    It does indeed stop making sense when you're not all living in a shared building. If I want my lawn slightly taller than everyone else, that's my right.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    because how can anyone consider it ownership if you do not have the right to destroy/modify it?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    I guess, kinda, but the concept of "ownership" isn't the divine right of kings. It's an understanding of possession in relation to the rest of the world and other people. There are like zoning laws and shit like that for a reason, just because you buy a piece of land doesn't mean you can develop it into whatever you want and put a chemical processing plant in a residential neighborhood.
    Just because you bought an apartment and maintain exclusive ownership of it, it's in the context of someone else owning the building, and someone/thing further owning the area that building is in. Ownership doesn't give you any right to alter something in a way that affects the other peoples owned property or possessions.
    Not that I'm advocating that it's right or even a good thing, but essentially the "final boss" of ownership is the government because people can't be trusted not to be petty dicks to each other

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Usually you can modify everything inside the condo (walls, floors, ceilings) as long as it doesn't compromise the structure of the building. In smaller condos (4-6 units) sometimes you can change the siding of the outside or the roof of your part too, depends on the building.

    A house isn't so different in that there are restrictions, since you have zoning codes and stuff. It's ownership in that you own the right to live inside it and sell it and modify it within reason.

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  • [–] 87 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Encouraging, asking, request. It's not a rule because they know they can't make it stick. Hand out whatever you want.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Print that email out on a large poster board and display it by your front door as you hand out king size candy.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

    How about a wearable poster board print out with a giant red NO stamped on it in faux blood as your costume. You can stay at home or walk the neighborhood, handing out full sized bars.

    Want to be a real extra contrarian? Build a "candy stand" made of the print out. Add castor wheels and a loud speaker and flashing lights. Finally, add a button kids can slap that shouts "fffuuullll sssiiizzeedd bbbbbaaarrrrrsssss!!! at max legal volume. Roll it from HOA leader house to HOA leader house as the night carries on.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    A mobile candy station? They'd never make it out alive. 😱🤣

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Ohh yeah, you better be rolling deep in full sized bars. It better basically be a large pallet of candy pretending to be a candy stand. You will have an army of insane 5-11 year olds slapping the shit out of that button for hours, and you gotta be able to keep the magic going to match maximum obnoxiousness.

    You'll have to be a goddamn hero to those children, a being of endless chocolate, to really, really shame whatever adult though this was a reasonable request.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I mean, at that point, you might as well put up a market tent in the drive to cover the patio heater, spiced cake donuts, and pony keg of cider for the parents.* Make it a block (the fuckin' trolls) party!

    *if anecdotal evidence is permitted, (no HOA bitches in our area) the next year half a dozen neighbors did the same. 🥳

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  • [–] 84 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Whenever I hear about “fun size” candy bars, I think of a quote from a stand-up comedian (whose name I can’t remember):

    “What’s fun about less candy?”

    He made a good point.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Was that stand up comedian Strong Bad?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
  • [–] 78 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    If people "feel pressured" over a candy bar, that's on them. Some people have no issue not even participating so your inferiority complex can suck it

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    It's because someone gave out apples and nickles next door and got pissed because every kid walked away going "awww, man..."

    Also entirely possible, someone's a cheap racist, classist prick and doesn't want kids from "other neighborhoods" incentivized to come to their part of town,

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I 100% guarantee you it's the latter.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Nothing in the letter stipulates HOW MANY little candies you can give each child.

    If there are lots of kids, I suppose some families might have trouble affording big bars, and feel peer pressure, but I suppose they could use it as a teachable moment for their kids. Anyway, most kids are happy with small candy as long as they get something. Even the toothbrush house is worth the walk up to the door.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    I grew up in a smaller town (6-800 pop), for whatever reason I was the only/youngest kid in my neighbourhood.

    I always took my neighbourhood last, as they'd stuff me up when they were aware no one else would waddle by, the norm would be 15 cents and 3 euroes wasn't uncommon in that area.. If waddled by at 5 pm

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I honestly can't imagine how anyone can afford to give out big bars at all. Don't they cost like $1 each? Are people spending $50 on Halloween candy for trick or treaters?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    I think some people, maybe no kids of their own so they have a little money, remember what a big thrill it was for them as a child, and they just really enjoy being A Generous God one night a year. Seeing the faces light up. Maybe especially if they're estranged from family so no gifts to buy. I live in a condo and the few kids in the building go elsewhere to trick-or-treat, so most people don't do anything, but my neighbor down the hall puts out a bowl of regular -size (not giant but not mini) candy bars October 1st and keeps it filled the whole month! I just put out a bowl of little ones on the night.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)
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    Not really inconsistent, you’re free to not enter into an HOA covenant and folks willing to subject themselves to being micro nannied are free to do so. That’s freedom ain’t it?

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  • [–] 43 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    The problem is the HOA exists where it does so if I want to buy there for the other benefits of the location (e.g. school) I have to submit to the HOA. The idea of HOAs originally came about as one method of stopping blacks and other minorities from buying in those areas. Simultaneously these areas got things like pools and gathering areas (clubhouses) while they closed the public versions of these places.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    USA - always racist.

    Should be their slogan.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    I think you'd be hard pressed to find countries that dont have similar racism based things. Europe is obvious, India has the caste system, China is against non Han, various African groups are against other African groups, etc. The methods used may be different (often more overt) but that doesn't really matter to the outcome.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Imagine buying a home for several hundred k only to be told by others in minute detail what you can and can't do on your OWN property. Land of the free my ass lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    No one (should be) going into this blindly. You are free to request all the CC&R documents of the HOA before buying, and often you can request the financials to see if they're still solvent. FFS, if you're about to spend hundred of thousands of dollars in one go - pay attention to the details!

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    This might be, but I believe u often have no choice. Either accept the terms or u don't get the house. And with the housing market being absolutely shitty, I believe many people have no choice but to accept those terms, cos the alternative would mean getting no home at all.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    Literally every new home going up around here is in a HOA, and the old ones that aren't sell for a premium. It's not so easily avoided. The whole concept should be abolished, or at the very least restricted to only providing services for the homes that are subject to it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Good thing the hoa can never implement new rules or change who is in charge!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Right? Don't like the rules?

    It's not impossible that enough people in the neighborhood like Bruce either. It'll be some effort to oust him, and you might end up with the duties -- but then you can make the rules minimal interference.

    Cuts both ways, though. Not enough people involved could allow Bruce to take over.

    My dad's HOA had a Bruce.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago

    Every child now gets 2 full sized candy bars and a bag of chips.

    Fuck off busy body!

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago

    must protect the neighborhood from the pressure of having a variety of candy

    and think of the children! they need a consistent experience in receiving their candy

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I have a fantasy where i get rich and hand out 5 lb chocolate bars one year.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago

    Peak busybody behavior.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 weeks ago

    Or what, they'll put a lien on your house? Bet this HOA isn't doing all of the typical stuff HOAs are responsible for, but they have enough time and money to put together this letter.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago

    King Sized bars, it is. HOA's can kick rocks.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Who the fuck feels pressure because the DINKs next door are giving out full sized snickers? If it’s not in the budget, then turn your porch light off. Simple. If I don’t work this Halloween, I’m going to be giving out some good stuff! And hopefully I will not have much left, otherwise I will eat it 😓😭

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago

    Well, I guess that means I can still hand out out the little airplane bottles of whiskey to the kids.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago

    No one mentioned king size, you'd better do that instead just to be safe.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago*

    the Board

    "We encourage/dictate that you hand out small/cheap candy bars only so that others do not feel pressured/inadequate."

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    When I was a kid, the fun-size candy bars were for me, and I gave the full size to my parents. I got to enjoy the variety without getting full as quickly, and I could scarf down way more of the small stuff before they figured out how much I'd eaten. The full size candy bars were merely a distraction for my elaborate heist of my own candy.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago*

    no mention of how many to hand out per kid, leave a couple of pallets out.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    What I learned last year is many kids don't like typical candy bars. They want skittles and nerds, and the like, at least here.

    All my "filler" candy was gone, and I ended up eating the candy bars myself. I dunno, maybe they all had food allergies?

    Anyway, this year I got skittles and nerds, and less chocolate, so I'll probably end up with no chocolate and a bunch of skittles and nerds which I don't like.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    That is some seriously petty bullshit on the part of the HOA.

    Get a fucking life.

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