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[–] 49 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

Thought this was a Miisha post

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  • [–] 159 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (42 children)

    Fun fact: choking during sex is the second most common cause of stroke in women under 40. Source.

    When you cut off blood supply to the brain you start damaging it real fast. There are studies measuring blood biomarkers of neural injury and inflammation in women who report being chocked during sex and it's clear that choking causes brain damage. According do experts there's no safe way to do it. It's just another disturbing, violent trend popularized by porn.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

    The euphoria is from the hypoxia, I think. In which case, a similar high could be had by scheduling sexy times in an oxygen tent mountain climbers and endurance athletes use for training.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (20 children)

    It has nothing to do with euphoria. From the source:

    In 2021, a research team led by Debby Herbenick, provost professor at the Indiana University School of Public Health, interviewed 24 women aged 18 to 33 in depth about their experiences of strangulation during sex. Although, for most, their first experience had involved no prior discussion – including one who was having sex for the first time – the majority now viewed it as “routine and regular”. All believed it was safe, despite experiencing many physical reactions, including coughing, gasping, difficulty swallowing and breathing and vision changes. Some said they accepted being choked for their partner’s pleasure, even though they didn’t personally find it arousing. Others did enjoy it and sought it out as “adventurous” and “exciting”.

    The paper notes that historically, autoerotic asphyxiation is rare among women and adds, “It is curious how sexual asphyxiation, which has long been described as predominantly engaged in by/for men’s arousal, has become so frequently enacted by men on women partners.”

    Bows makes the same point. “What’s not being talked about is that this is happening overwhelmingly to women by men. If you accept what people will argue – that this is an activity that’s enjoyed because it’s ‘sensual’ – then why aren’t men the recipients more often? To me, it’s just another way we’ve culturally legitimised men harming women.”


    It just keeps going like that. It's really wroth reading.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    "then why aren’t men the recipients more often?"

    I'd be interested to know the source on this, because I know plenty men who are into this. Even in the paragraph prior it states, "sexual asphyxiation, which has long been described as predominantly engaged in by/for men’s arousal."

    That said, full consent and knowledge about the potential long-term physical harm are absolutely critical

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

    It says "The paper notes that historically, autoerotic asphyxiation is rare among women". So it seams to suggest that before choking your partner became common it was mostly men to chocked themselves while masturbating. Now it's mostly men that choke women. It doesn't say it doesn't happen to men, just that women were not into it before and now it happens to them more.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    It's a very poorly written paper that is using generalizations without a proper source or study group.

    A sample size of 24 to make these broad assumptions is frankly ridiculous

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    idk if you were trying to be funny or not, but it is driving me INSANE:

    choking*

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I get what your saying

    idk if you were trying to be funny or not, but:

    You're*

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It’s a little funny when people correct others spelling mistakes in the same thread where they also have made spelling mistakes, that’s all haha

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I'm just being funny, I agree, it's always a bit cringe when people correct others on their spelling while spelling their reply incorrectly 😅

    Like if you're gonna be a pedant, be a pedant correctly

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    This is such a crazy extrapolation to me, especially as someone who has had a girlfriend die from (EXTREMELY STUPIDLY) doing unsupervised breath play on herself.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    So this one case proves that women did it as often as men? Ok...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    The study didn't test that men did it more or not. They just asserted it without data to back it up

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure which study you're talking about but I guess the article states it as a fact because it's a well known... fact. What I found in 5 minutes:

    Study from Australia: less 10% of autoerotic neck compression deaths were women.

    Study from Italy: 10% of deaths were women

    Study from US: men consistently exhibited higher mortality rates than women

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    That only proves that men are more likely to die that way. Which does infer that men are more likely to do it, but it certainly isn't definitive.

    It's not even a hard thing to demonstrate. Just needs a statistically significant sample size and a questionnaire. It would be pretty wild if it correlated to where women were just better at not accidentally killing themselves.

    Also the study did not do a good job at demonstrating that auto-erotic affixiation and affixiation on a partner correlated. That was another assumption made. I'm talking about the study you've been talking about in this thread

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    In 2021, a research team led by Debby Herbenick, provost professor at the Indiana University School of Public Health, interviewed 24 women aged 18 to 33 in depth about their experiences of strangulation during sex. Although, for most, their first experience had involved no prior discussion – including one who was having sex for the first time – the majority now viewed it as “routine and regular”. All believed it was safe, despite experiencing many physical reactions, including coughing, gasping, difficulty swallowing and breathing and vision changes. Some said they accepted being choked for their partner’s pleasure, even though they didn’t personally find it arousing. Others did enjoy it and sought it out as “adventurous” and “exciting”.

    The paper notes that historically, autoerotic asphyxiation is rare among women and adds, “It is curious how sexual asphyxiation, which has long been described as predominantly engaged in by/for men’s arousal, has become so frequently enacted by men on women partners.”

    Bows makes the same point. “What’s not being talked about is that this is happening overwhelmingly to women by men. If you accept what people will argue – that this is an activity that’s enjoyed because it’s ‘sensual’ – then why aren’t men the recipients more often? To me, it’s just another way we’ve culturally legitimised men harming women.”

    Here is the Guardian article that ExLisper already linked.

    Here is the paper that the Guardian references.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Why does it have to be about violence and porn? Talk about the dangers all you want but that shit just genuinely feels like crack. You get flooded with brain chemicals that feel euphoric. Focus on the important bits about the risks rather than applying stupid moral judgements.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Ok but you do realize how comparing it to crack is not helping here right

    Like I'm more than happy to also warn people to stay tf away from crack lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Blaming sexual violence on porn seems the same kind of cheap virtue-signalling as blaming gun violence on video games.

    Being choked feels good. Your partner sometimes asks you to choke them, sometimes in the heat of the action.

    The most important thing is that there really is no safe way to do it, and it should be never done. Upvoted your post for visibility. For the sceptics, here is an article (in German) about one medical doctor accidentally killing another during sex.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    JFC, what kind of porn are you people watching?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    OK but what if I really like being choked a little

    Not that I'm under 40. Or a woman.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    It's like any other risky behavior - there's still a risk, but ultimately it's up to you if you want to risk death in pursuit of orgasm.

    Haha people get so pissy about reality - I'm a domme and engage in some choking, but have strict rules around it. It is silly to pretend there's 0 risk to choking. Be informed and get consent.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    According do experts there’s no safe way to do it.

    I always heard that you/your partner should squeeze the sides of the neck so that it gives the sensation of being choked without actually blocking air/bloodflow

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    maybe some people like having their brain shut off somewhat, and that's actually the entire point? maybe not everyone likes being hyper-aware of everything all the time?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Liking it doesn't take away the risk. There's a lot of things we do in life that have risk, but we still do them for various reasons.

    By all means, enjoy the thrill! But educate yourself and be aware that there is no completely safe way to choke or be choked. And of course always get consent.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    From what I'm reading there's no "risk" involved: it's just harmful. Risk implies it can be done without any harm, but harm is more likely than not. Smoking cigarettes isn't risky behaviour it's harmful behaviour.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago

    Within kink it you aren't learning the basics of the risks of something before doing it you aren't following either of the dominant models of how to properly engage. Safe Sane and Consensual demands you learn enough to confirm something is safe (most people consider choking incompatible with this model). Meanwhile Risk Aware Consensual Kink demands you make yourself aware of the risks before consenting.

    I get wanting to turn your brain off. I love subspace in part because it shuts my brain off. But going into something in kink without doing your due diligence is how you risk getting seriously injured. I play with fire and electricity, but consider choking too dangerous for me.

    If I found out someone who told me they had plenty of experience bottoming for electricity (and thus I didn't give the safety spiel) didn't understand that it can fuck with implanted electronics and can be fatal to people with pacemakers (very basic safety knowledge for estim), it's unlikely they'd ever be able to convince me to play with them again. I'd just consider them to be too reckless.

    BDSM is dangerous at times. It's fun as all hell, I fucking love it, but it has dangers. You need to use your brain first so you can decide how you're comfortable turning it off.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    This highlights a big flaw in the golden rule: people want different things

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    There are a lot of commonalities regarding what humans generally want for the non-specific ethics of reciprocity to be useful.

    Even more so, what humans don't want.

    Or, for that matter, what non-human entities want. Thanks to the collapse of the rule of law at the federal level, businesses who can't afford access to Trump are abandoning the US if they can't pay the expected tribute to Trump, or can't get in his good graces on ideological grounds. It turns out companies like an economy in which the rules are consistent for everyone.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 weeks ago

    This is exactly what happened to me. I had never been choked, nor had I ever choked someone. Was making out with girl, she was on top of me, and then started choking me. I was so confused and horny. Eventually asked her about it and yes, that is what she wanted done to her. Like Jesus, just say so.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    people into choking want consensual choking.

    this was anything but.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    TIL: When people refer to choking during sex, it's actually choking.

    I thought it was just called that way, in a similar way to "choker" being a close-fitting necklace, just lightly pinning down someone by their neck. Not strangulation.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    That can also cause damage, just FYI. There's a lot of invisible damage that can happen to the delicate tissues of the neck and throat.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Yeah, I'm somewhat experienced in kink irl (been pretty involved in scenes for most of my adult life and have been an edge player in some form for a lot of it) and choking is way more dangerous than people think. People will point to blood choking (squeezing the arteries at the side of the neck) or air deprivation as the "safe" way to do it, and yes, they're safer than windpipe choking, but any time you are depriving a brain of fresh oxygen to the point it's noticeable there is a chance it will cause permanent damage. For anyone who's interested in learning more Jay Wiseman is the traditional go to on this specific topic.

    Your body, your life, your decision what risks you take, but personally it's the only kink that the more I've learned about safety regarding it the less willing to take part in it I've been.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago

    I misread the nickname as Miistakes and thought that this is Miishas alt account

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

    hmm naw not like this, I'd rather like stroke their cheek all nicely and give them a kiss ~

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    okay fine, bottom cheeks can also be fun and maybe nicer since usually one doesnt get tenderly touched there.

    so maybe its extra soothing? hmm dunno... no I think that would just cause excitement more so than warm comfy feels. tracing someones back should be better for that.... maybe

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    butt rubs are always nice

    (also, my autocorrect tried to convince me not once, not twice, but three times that what I really want to say is "butt runs". which aren't nice at all!)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    yeaaaaa i wanna rub someones


    areas and have them tingle all nicely yesssss that's it, that's what I want. kinda explore them, see what's good, what gets them twitching, what gets them leaning in ---------

    enough Lemmy for today >v<

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Have you considered putting your hands around their neck and not choking them? It's very intimate

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    yeye I know that's also wonderful. Maybe a bit of movement, a small bit of light scritchies. yeah. mhm thats nice, makes me make sounds---

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeye, it's the fun kind of possesive. Like "pay even more attention to me"

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    ummm maybe not necessarily, I'd like they to kinda shiver a bit, kinda maybe look away and mmmmh lean into it a bit and then!!! then I get to as "hmm baby, can u look at me?" aaaaaah yes <3 <3 <3 and and and once they do, I brush a bit firmer and go "thank you ~"

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    If the British government browsed Lemmy, they’d be very upset right now.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    When I was in the kink community breath control was a big no-no. There's a significant enough risk of putting your partner in shock, and in the 1990s police were not very understanding of death by heavy erotic play.

    Of course the US may currently be in the stage Russia was in 2011 (and still is) of YOLO high-risk selfies.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    Most people that I've met as well as myself and my partners don't actually do breath play of any variety. Just firm pressure applied to the sides of the neck, to reduce risk slightly. I understand it's still not a completely safe activity, but we're all consenting adults.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    Remember kids, learn how to do it safely before you try it in the bedroom!

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  • [–] 39 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Unfortunately, there is no truly safe way to choke. It's always a risk. But please, please do look into it before choking anyone and always get consent first.

    I also have a rule that no choking is allowed if the people involved are under the influence of anything. It's too risky.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    "Never drink and dom" was the one we learned, right after "safe, sane, and consensual".

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    choking is pretty firmly outside of the ssc framework because it cannot be done safely. if you want to practice sexual asphyxiation, you're looking for a risk aware consensual kink model.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    According to the WHO you also cannot safely drink a single beer

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    That's correct. Alcohol is a poison.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I’ll have to tell everyone at the BJJ gym that choking someone out can’t be done safely, they clearly aren’t aware given they’ve been doing it daily for decades

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    aside from the obvious that every one of them likely do have some amount of damage from oxygen deprivation, it's the kind of risk profile that is inherent to extreme physical training, not inherent to consensual sex.

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    So uh... For future partners' sake... What source do I redirect them to to make sure I don't suffer more brain damage than I'm sure I already have from other things... 👀

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