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[–] 119 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Windows isn't ready for daily driving imo, it's risky to use such an unstable OS for high importance tasks.

It's fine if you want to tinker and experiment with a different OS, but for day to day usage I think you should really be using something more stable.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    …this has to be a BSD guy talking.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    No, where I work we use macs. Everyone has a Mac and our policys prohibit windows as a work os

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Interesting. I’ve used Mac for years and for the last 2 or 3, macOS has really gone downhill. What line of work are you in that bans windows? The entire point of windows is enterprise management, which macOS is famously bad at.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    We work in health data, but we also done have enterprise management.

    When a review was done about 6 years ago, windows was a big risk in how we work

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Oh yea, windows is a huge risk, but convincing management and IT not to use it is a monumental task.

    I actually work with health data too and we upgraded to win11 micro PCs and it’s not going well.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    How is this only midly infuriating.

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  • [–] 64 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I remember during the last big win11 update i defined active hours which was recommended by Microsoft to do so it only updates outside of work hours.

    Only for it to get reset without notification so all workstations started updating in the middle of work when left idle

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  • [–] 229 points 3 weeks ago (29 children)

    Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?

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  • [–] 129 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Just opened the thread to make sure someone was spreading the good word.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Our Linus, who art from Finland, Hallowed be thy kernel.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    He's been in California for decades.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

    If I don't find an anti-AI kernel fork I might be moving to NetBSD soon. That sucks, I hate moving to a new OS.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

    Linus has always prioritized results over ideological purity. Which is why Linux runs the world whereas BSD is still just a niche project.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I’m not totally convinced that his behavior in the past is a reflection on what is to come. He is at this point still refusing to answer questions about licensing LLM generated code and such and has apparently been obfuscating LLM commits. That doesn’t sound like somebody who is committed to results so much as it sounds like somebody giving into AI brainrot.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    He's also human, for example he hypothetically could use AI to offset a disability like dementia - a totally reasonable emotional response, but also not who I want controlling global cyber security.

    Last I heard though all AI commits were a separate branch, I wasn't aware of any sneakiness.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That and BSD was almost BSDβ„’ by AT&Tβ„’.

    Lost all its momentum at probably its most valuable growth opportunity to a single dev.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

    Clearly he doesn't care about results because he slop coded with antigravity rather than reading documentation for a python side-project. I imagine his younger self would be cussing his older self out for shipping things he literally doesn't understand.

    The reason for his actions are much simpler: he got paid. He gets paid from the linux foundation which receives a lump sum from AI companies. In 2024 Linus said AI was just Hype, but then the foundation received millions in funds from the AI companies.

    If he cared about results he would have written the damn things himself.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    I'm no vibecoder but between 2024 and now, LLMs also got much better. It might not have been the money that changed his mind.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    LLMs either hit a wall or got worse, so no.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    As much as I'd like that to be true, this is unfortunately not the case...

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    You're going to argue that some new never before seen trove of uncontaminated training data was discovered? Perhaps you think the AI Scaling Laws don't exist? Businesses that adopted AI dropped it or went out of business not long after, it's as useless today as it was in the 1980s.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    No, I'm arguing that the models got better. I unfortunately have to work with them...

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Pure fantasy, mate. The only thing these machines have proven effective at is psychosis.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    In what fantasy world are you living, that you don't believe that??

    I'm living in the world of software engineering and this is a fucking reality now... I don't like it. I really don't like it. I really would like to agree with you, but it's not the case, since they have introduced reinforcement learning a while ago, the models got quite a bit better, this has nothing to do with AI psychosis or anything.

    They are not superior for everything (fortunately, otherwise I would have to fear about my job), and I say that as a quite experienced software engineer, but for rather dull tasks they are certainly quite a little bit faster than manually programming per hand, although it's certainly more fun to program by hand even dull tasks...

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Seriously, this right here is why I stopped using windows for work and switched to linux for professional reasons. Windows is not serious business software because of shit like this.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Hell, this is why I went out of my way to make sure I could control updates for my personal machine where the only consequences of it doing a random update would be that I can't use it until it's done. I didn't even ever have it actually do an annoying update because the frustration was obvious as soon as I heard the term "automatic updates", like this isn't just for some program, it's for the OS itself and will demand restarts.

    And that isn't even mentioning the undesirable updates, like the buggy ones or the ones that just enshitify your OS rather than add anything anyone wants, like all those windows 7 "get ready for windows 10" ones and apparently some people even got an automatic "7 to 10" update.

    And then on Linux, every part of updating is nicer, other than the supply chain attacks (which is unfortunately serious enough I could see it threatening the entire Linux ecosystem itself).

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  • [–] 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Windows isn't ready for the desktop.

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    [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    IT guy here. When you finally can respond or join the meeting, make sure you cover yourself in feathers from a pillow and blame a duck gang for your misfortune.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago

    No, you don't. Shhhh.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Linux.

    Or literally any other OS than Windoze.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    You could probably boot a live USB and transfer your presentation to it in that time.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Problem is you need a live USB stick...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Make one right now. Stick it on your keychain. Then you will be prepared to at least boot into Linux on a moment's notice. Should probably also have a look around and figure out how to show a presentation on there or do whatever you might need to suddenly do there.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago

    I know there are large organisations where the laptops are configured to also update their firmware when users are trying to get out the door at the end of the day and the outsourced ICT teams couldn't care less.

    Microsoft continues to be the best advocate for migrating to Linux.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    When it happened to one of my students at least I was able to play it off and make fun of Windows instead of embarrassing them. But I also give full credit on presentations regardless of how bad they go.

    That said, woe is you if it's literally anything else, like a conference or a business meeting. Lol

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Why would you give full credit regardless of outcome? Nonsensical.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Only for the presentation itself, there's a written part that has a rubric. With presentations, the social aspect is enough to get people to do as well as they can because most people prefer not to look like an idiot in front of the class.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Simple rules of thumb:

    Never use windows for presentations.

    Never use powerpoint for presentations.

    Never use your own profile for presentations.

    Always have a synced version to a URL that you can refer the audience to if the projector fails or doesnt like your computer.

    But yeah, that sucks.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago

    A friend who did a lot of presentations said: always have backups for everything.

    • spare laptop
    • duplicates of all kinds of connectors & cables
    • projector and external speakers (if all in-person audience)
    • know of any other available rooms nearby
    • copies of presentation on USB and online
    • etc.

    I went on a business trip with him once, and we all carried 2 bags each of equipment. Last I heard, he ended up working for a large entertainment company in LA.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I haven't used Windows in years, but it's kind of funny to remember because my Linux machines take at most 5 minutes to update (even with a hundred packages to update), and only require a restart if something important happens, and even in that case I can postpone the reboot.

    Good luck anyway!

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Nowadays, a lot of Linux distributions like Ubuntu, for example, will do an update and then tell you that you should reboot, even if a reboot isn't strictly necessary. You can still ignore and postpone, but I think most users will see this as very similar to Windows.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago

    Except for the fact that you can still use your computer while it's updating. And it only takes one reboot (which takes the same amount of time as any other reboot) to apply the updates. And you have to actually tell your computer that you want to reboot. It's really not like windows at all.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago*

    Windows machines frequently do updates without a reboot nowadays and you can usually postpone an update to a more convenient time.

    The problem is that when an update that requires a restart is waiting, it changes the standard restart button into one that does an update and restart. You can often fall into muscle memory and accidentally trigger an update.

    When combined with the fact that you quite often get problems that go away with a reboot you can easily get yourself into OP’s position where they’re waiting for an update to finish at a really inconvenient time.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    remember because my Linux machines take at most 5 minutes to update

    I keep kicking myself because I'm using fedora Kinoite on my slowest machine. It's going to get arch eventually, but for now it's just annoying whenever I go to use it for a few minutes until it finishes the update.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago
    [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yeah, rule of thumb: you need your Windows PC to be available 100% at a close future point? update it now, reboot, and then disable networking if possible.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    Also pause updates, it doesn't stop all updates but it does avoid most of the forced reboot Micro$lop dishes out for weeks at a time. Disabling networking is ideal, no doubt, including the telemetry spam.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You have to ignore the updates for a while before it will force reboot during your normal working hours.

    If it’s left alone overnight yeah it might reboot on you the day the patch came out. But if your active hours are set to something same it’s never rebooted on me.

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  • Yeah enterprise images are set to default as 8am active time. If someone leaves their machine on they'll switch to an inactive state at like 8pm or whatever you configured, and do the updates at like 2am and you should never need to know anything about it if something doesn't break.

    Not every setup is done well though, ive have several coworkers and I have Mac OS and Windows images want to force a reboot during work hours, 99% of the time it is either the user never allows the machine to be on when it isn't in use, or IT dropped the ball on the image.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    "I'm afraid I can't let you do that"

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    This was the main readon I switched to Linux. It's my computer so I decide when it's time to update.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    Buddy of mine lost $1500 in his own hockey pool because of this exact situation....

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Too late now but grab a live Linux USB, boot into it to access your presentation and run it in an emergency.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Or just use linux in the first place....

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    It's your mistake, never schedule a presentation after a patch Tuesday

    (I'm joking, fuck this shit, Wednesday I had to fight all the computers "OMG a new update it's out, can I reboot now????")

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    We had a finance troll run into our IT department asking "how do I stop a service pack update!?" This was back in the XP days. She had a presentation in 15 minutes and had not turned the laptop on in over a year.

    Our answer?

    You don't. You should have started preparing it yesterday.

    She was PISSED! But her even more evil boss had ruined all her political capitol over all the other things she failed to prepare for.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago

    Obviously there's a hundred joke comments about using Linux but it if you already had a ventoy USB lying around, it would unironically be faster to liveboot a distro, install libre office and then prsent your pptx (or log into google slides and do the same).

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Always have a jump drive or some other backup of your presentation ready to drop on another computer. I have had this exact thing happen during an important presentation.

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