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[–] 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What politicians want us to believe:

Voting: changes the system

Doing politics: it's for professionals

How it really works:

Voting: the possibility to kick bad persons out

Doing politics: changes the system

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    Only locally, at least here in the US.

    Nationally you have no power politically unless you're a billionaire or available for purchase by a billionaire. Thankfully, at least locally, good things are still possible.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Nothing disgusts me more than billionare "philanthropists" who pledge to give away 70%-90% of their wealth to charities AFTER THEY DIE... While these MFs REFUSE TO EVEN PAY 5% TAX NOW and keep hiding their wealth and fucking kids offshores!

    AND guess what charity they choose to donate it to after they fucking rot 6-ft underground? IT'S THEIR FAMILY-OWNED FOUNDATION CHARITY!

    Every fucking billionare does this same trick to horde untaxed wealth for generation after the other. Or Elon who wants to go to Mars to "save humanity" , while doing jack shit to save humanity now and paying billions to support and keep Nazis in powers everywhere in the world.
    So Fuck you Bill Gates, Fuck you Warren Buffon, Fuck you Zuck and Besos and every billionare philathropists who claim they will donate after they fucking die

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    OMG the main comments are disappearing. Can't understand what people are arguing anymore.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Now your car is the geographical size of the United States. Its sinking like 1 inch per year. Everyone else in the car is a douche bag.

    They murder anyone who says that the car can be saved if we just stop letting it sink.

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  • [+] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    That's not the choice we have. There's the frustratingly slow option, and the "we're gonna piss in your mouth and poke you in the eye with needles" recuers.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    You're missing their point though. People are dying. While things are slow people are dying. At a certain point that becomes a problem doesn't it? How long do you wait? How slow can we afford it to be?

    It's just kind of absurd to ask people who are dying of lack of Health Care right this minute to be patient. To ask people that are living in crippling poverty to be patient. To ask women and children that are being raped with impunity to be patient. We're drowning here.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Nah man we can't do anything about any of that. If we didn't kill a few million Working Class People every year then one CEO might not get his golden parachute. So obviously we can never take actual steps to fix things.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 month ago

    To quote James Baldwin in 1982.

    What is it you wanted me to reconcile myself to? I was born here, almost 60 years ago. I'm not going to live another 60 years. You always told me 'It takes time.' It's taken my father's time, my mother's time, my uncle's time, my brothers' and my sisters' time. How much time do you want for your progress?"

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  • [+] -16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Sounds like you see yourself as the one outside of the car. Why are you still standing on the embankment while some drowns. What purpose does your concern serve. You are bystander syndrome. Choosing an option that helps no one in this moment.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Isn't that exactly what OP said?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    What is stopping you from both asking the one who is willing to help AND trying to find a second solution on your own?

    You don't lose anything by voting.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It's more like the first guy threatens to break your windows to make you drown even quicker, the second guy offers to slowly save you by 2060, you have to choose one, and if you don't choose, someone else will choose the "drown quick" guy for you

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    These are not the only options. Savings yourself is an option.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes, because that worked brilliantly last election. We're drowning in all this "saving yourself" right now, the country and world are totally in a better place right now for people having not voted democrat and instead "saved ourselves"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Good job mods, just remove comments pointing out the objective reality of the world. This is r/conservative level of moderating away the literal reality of the world.

    Yes the system fucking sucks major ass infinitely much, but just closing your eyes and pretending it doesn't exist ain't a fucking solution, that's literally how we got into this fucking mess in the first place.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    except the second guy tells you he will save you incrementally, but you know he’s lying and is sitting on the car as it slowly sinks in. the first guy is the reason you in this mess in the first place.

    don’t go with either of them

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    What is the point of Lemmy if the comments are just gonna get removed bruh.

    Useless thread

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    OP is the mod removing comments calling them out for their terrible takes. VOTE.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I think lemmy.world is probably worth avoiding in general. Consolidated power in one instance is no better than Reddit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Or you could just not engage with communities whose rules you don't want to follow.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Saying "Republicans need you not to vote" being against the rules is absurd.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    There's a context where that's fine and there's a context where that's supporting the Democratic party which is unambiguously against the rules of the community. Read the sidebar, understand the rules and the culture before posting. Lurk more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

    Seriously, I’m blocking this community.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I wish I could tag communities with Voyager. I'd use tags like "deletes a lot" and "women only" so I'll know to read only.

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  • [+] [S] -7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    You could save yourself the hassle and just follow the fucking rules

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    The biggest rule being "don't disagree with the hivemind"

    I detest liberals and the Democratic/Republican parties but the modding on this community is just kind of embarassing, honestly. Same kinda shit I left Reddit for

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Remembering inconsistent rules is the hassle from which I'm trying to save myself.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Point out a single inconsistency

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  • [+] [S] -9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Follow the rules and leave your political liberalism at the door and comments won't get removed

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How about trying to explain your reasoning and try to get people to understand your perspective instead of insta-banning them and making them think that you are a dick and probably believe in things that dicks approve of.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago

    This is not an education forum. This is a forum specifically for leftists. If you are leftist, you already have a position that is understandable in a leftist space. The problem is liberals that are not leftist coming into leftist spaces trying to co-opt them and neuter them to get us to support their right-wing candidates. All throughout the history of socialism and communism, dating back a few hundred years, the only ones that were allowed to participate in leftist spaces were ones that already understood the principles.

    To join the Black Panther Party in the 60s, you had to be black and you had to be a communist that understood the principles of communism and have studied and researched it to a specific level. If you did not, you simply were not allowed in, You were allowed no input, you were allowed no influence, you just simply were not allowed in. So to enter leftist spaces you need to do the work to understand our position before you enter our space. Or be willing to learn by asking questions, not throwing demands at us.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    We need stakeholder focus. Unless you're actually worried about workers, consumers, and those environmentally impacted by the impacts of our economic system, I don't care about what any politician has to say. - me, a stakeholder socialist.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    My comment was removed by the moderators, so I'll say the shorter version. VOTE. Do not let memes on the internet make you feel like your vote doesn't matter or that voting is useless, vote vote vote. We desperately need ranked choice voting, but even so, just vote.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    This is how I feel when it comes to climate change especially. The other issues are important, but the difference between getting M4A now and later is the people it can't help now. That's still important, but with climate change we're hurtling towards a disaster we won't be able to pull back from if we keep waiting. Every time we get a Dem where the best they can do is maybe undo some of the damage the Reps caused I just feel such despair.

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  • [+] 16 points 1 month ago* (10 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I don’t think there’s no way forward short of revolution yet, but I think your criticism is overly harsh. The first step toward change is recognizing that there is a problem and assessing the magnitude of the problem. Most normal people are still grappling with this step, so expressing the facts (and your opinions) about the problem and need for a solution is important for convincing others.

    The next, and assuredly harder, step is coming up with an effective and lasting solution. A realistic solution depends on widespread support, so you can’t really jump to this step without knowing what sort of support you have behind your cause.

    Support is building for change, but there’s still enormous value in these sort of posts. Making calls for change seem like a normal thing that normal people do will make actual change more likely to happen and stick.

    Edit: wording Edit again: why was the post I responded to removed? I didn’t agree with it, but we want to be able to have a discussion here not be in an echo chamber.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    the portion of people posting about what actual organising efforts they've done is far too low

    What is there to even say about it that doesn't make you a target? Memes are easy and entertaining; writing about your organizing efforts is less so. I used to make memes about that stuff but the more involved I got the less it made sense to talk about it on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    As if nobody knew that already.

    Are you serious right now? Are you aware of just how many people on the Lemmyverse have been arguing that lesser evil voting is not only the only moral choice but a moral choice that has a real impact?

    There are so many people who are not actually aware that the system is beyond repair, that believe voting is somehow outside the system that is broken and can be used to repair it.

    We need to break the fantasy that keeps people pacified and trapped. We need people to stop fighting about electoralism all together because they have realized it is fundamentally incapable of solving any of the problems they see.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    And yet many of those people, as far as I can tell from snippets online, spend their days financially supporting the system. They buy daily from billionaires because doing anything else takes work. Starving the billionaires would be a good first step but people don't want the trouble to go without cellphones, gas, fast food, gaming, Starbucks, etc.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    That's also a fantasy. There is absolutely no evidence that the masses can starve out the ruling class. It has never been done. Boycotts do not work because they starve the rulers, they work because they quantify the ability to organize quickly and thoroughly. A single boycott in a single city of a single store is enough to demonstrate the ability to organize and the ruling class will react not because they get starved out but because they know the real threat is an organized working class.

    Not buying coffee will do about as much as voting will.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    They are giving our tax dollars to billionaires. If you pay any taxes at all you support them! Ffs if they put you in jail for being a homeless vagrant get will force you into labor that fucking pays the billionaires!

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ah yes voting is when something completely irrelevant...

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This is a pretty shitty and convoluted analogy not gonna lie.

    Poster is a mod of this community and has apparently been deleting comments willy-nilly.

    If that's the case, you're a shitty mod not worthy of talking about late stage capitalism and perhaps your community is shit as a result of your actions and insecurity.

    If it's not true, I apologize for all that lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Especially when we have perfect good, simple analogies about Democrats already.

    "It’s like saying to somebody, 'You have a bowl of shit in front of you, and all you've got to do is eat half of it instead of the whole thing.' It's still shit."

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    One Choice: Near instant death drowning

    Other Choice: Live but it takes too long to get where you want to be.

    Huuurrr Dduurrr THeSE ArE thE SamE

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    You’re also dead even if you never go off the bridge, we are all mortal.

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    [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    All choices on the ballot suck, so I should just get myself shot by the fascists? I don't see any good options. My fucking ballot had 17 elections where a republican was running unopposed. Staying home means I get the worst possible option. Welcome to Texas where the morons think Talarico is a communist (would be nice if only it were true).

    The biggest problem is that humans are not capable of self governance. The sociopaths are the ones most interested in aggrandizing themselves through political office.

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  • HARDCORE! INCREMENTAL CHANGE!!!

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    vote green 🤷‍♀️

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