Good that Toshiba saw the increase in demand as an opportunity to increase sales volume, rather than price gouge their customers. Hopefully they gain market share.
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I just want affordable storage again in the single digit TB drives, maybe low teens. I waited too long to build a multi drive nas and now I have regerts.
When my 4 TB drive died ~15 years ago I thought to myself I'd just wait a few months and replace it with 8 TB for the same price. Then the floods happened.
Then prices almost were finally at that level again. And then AI started gobbling everything up.
Yeah, 2TB SSDs are honestly fine for everything except bulk storage.
From my perspective the older slower ssds are fine for bulk storage, you just can't get them. My ideal would be a 4-8TB SSD that is as cheap as an equivalent SSD, as marginally faster than a HDD
The good, more HDDs and bigger drives.
The bad, they will directly to data centers.
Consumers aren't buying large drives like this, those are intended for data centers. And if they're increasing production aimed at those capacities, that means smaller capacity stock opening up for consumers.
Straight to the datacenters. And once they get their five years out of them, straight into to the shredder.
Wouldn't want any normies getting their hands on them, and having ideas of not using whatever subscription cloud computer bullshit they've forced on us by then.
I hope it alleviates the pressure. I need to upgrade the 4TB in my array, badly. It’s all on borrowed time.
These numbers feel unreal. How long does zeroing a 65TB drive take?
would probably take like 2 to 3 days to write zeros across the entire disk. but hardware or software based full disk encryption can make 'erasing' a disk (make the data irretrievable) very fast.
How computing a result from a ?4096?bits key for each byte goes faster than writing 0 for each byte?
If the disk has built in encryption, so the storage controller on the disk handles the encrypt/decrypt cycle but presents as an unencrypted disk for all intents and purposes to the user. All thats needed to wipe the disk is to delete the encryption keys. Its a pretty common feature in enterprise disks and i quite like it. Saves a lot of time when decom time rolls arround
All thats needed to wipe the disk is to delete
You are jumping to a point in time after what I am asking:
"all you need" is to delete a key -> No, you need to encrypt the disk before, which is the step prior, and without it, deleting a key change a thing...
So basically, the part "hardware" built-in could make sense, but the guy didn't specify any if this...
In other words, zeroing the disk is going to be faster "in normal circumstances".
You don't need to encrypt empty disk space. Formatting a disk only writes some data structures here and there, leaving vast majority of the disk unchanged.
The whole problem and why people are zeroing is that "empty space" is not really empty.
I don't know how you manage to keep being confused about this whole deal. When you buy a disk, you don't care what's in the empty space. You format it as an encrypted disk by writing a few sectors. When you want to throw it out, you delete the keys that decrypt what you wrote over the life of the disk, and perhaps wipe the sectors containing encryption metadata. What is unclear about this?
Besides, when the disk is configured as encrypted, the junk in the empty sectors can't be read by decrypting it. Unless it's software encryption and you bypass it by poking the disk directly, you can't read anything from those sectors. Which, again, contain either noise, or what the possible previous owner has written there.
The key is in firmware which is setup before you write any data. So to “delete” any data you simply wipe the key.
Even if you use software to encrypt the drive luks would just mean any data written to the drive would be encrypted. Old data not zeroed out could technically be ready unless overwritten.
In either case your weirdly aggressive statement is wrong.
You keep the drive encrypted while you are using it, and then when you want to wipe the data, you just wipe the part of the drive holding data related to computing the encryption key. You don’t touch the rest of the drive, but without the encryption key it’s effectively random noise.
It's slower to encrypt and then delete the keys than it is to zero the drive, yes. But that's not how it's supposed to work.
You encrypt your data (based on the pre-generated key) piecemeal as you fill the drive over the course of years, then you delete the key when retiring the drive, so you can make a drive unreadable in seconds.
I don't hoard video files, so 1TB still seems unimaginably vast. I was shocked when I learned my entire CD collection, ripped to FLAC, would fit on my phone. 100TB is like a billion dollars, my mind has difficulty understanding numbers that large.
You get games that are several hundred gigabytes these days - high resolution art assets are big.
Filling up a 1TB drive is easy. 100TB, yeah, that's a lot of space.
Don't count bytes, look at what they can store: 1TB will hold like four to eight recent AAA games.
Even if you do need 100 TB of storage, I feel like it'd be a lot better to have multiple smaller drives rather than one massive one. To be fair, though, I'd expect such large drives to be targeted mostly to commercial customers.
My 116TB pirate ship could use a few more 100TBs to keep afloat.
Large drives are convenient for 3 2 1 backup. Not all your storage needs or even should be ssd or raid 5.
Yeah, if get a few bad sectors suddenly you're spending most of a day backing things up.
You should've been backing things up already.
"If you have one, you have none".
Without proper backup your data is just waiting to disappear at the first unrecoverable failure.
And it can be fairly invisible in day-day use with 4 drives set up in RAID5.
just remember that raid is not a backup
I meant to get back to ask you what you meant by this.
My (novice-level) understanding was R5 would give you redundancy and a way to restore one of your drives if it went down unrecoverably.
Is that just wrong, or it doesn’t count as a backup?
Really depends on what you store. If you archive videogames like i do, 100TB is a good place to be, and redundancy means you need more than one.
Larger storage is good for videos (think Blu-rays, 4K videos are very big! Security camera feeds could also take up lots of space), and you might also want to host for multiple users (for family, friends, or a business)
But yes, _100_TB is a lot. 8-24TB (before memory became super expensive) was reasonable for most consumers, usually in a RAID configuration for redundancy. Multiple smaller drives are more reliable and modular than a single big one!
Without going into video media, I've got around 2-3TB of photos (in RAW format) and my ripped/downloaded music collection is about the same size. Probably got about 5TB of device backups and a similar amount of retro games ROMs/disk images
I think between my desktop PC and server I've got about 70-80TB of storage (though not all of it is usable for redundancy)
I could see myself building a new NAS in a couple of years that would make use of a few of those drives if the economics work out
Nice. I switched from WD to Toshiba in 2024
Not whom you asked, but in my experience and from what I've read on the webs, WD's reliability is a coin toss. Some drives keep chugging for years and years, other ones croak too soonish.
For HDD I only buy WD, especially so with external drives. From my experience they are the only one really reliable ones. I have purchased a few times other brands, mostly Seagate and that was a coin toss to me, and another brand I don't remember, was a total disaster. Off course just speaking from personal experience. I don't like this being "blindly" brand loyal, but with WD I get reliance. And no I'm not an advertisement agent, just noticed it sounds like that, lol.
I've had good reliability from Toshiba in the past few years. I hope they can keep it up.
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