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[–] 44 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Because our culture has spent the past 250 years attempting to minimize the value of empathy.

That’s something that always drives me crazy about the “value of the atomic family” schtick in some conservative circles. On the one hand, they want a return to the atomic family. On the other, they’re still full steam ahead on individualism and keeping empathy out of decision processes.

Meanwhile, other family-based cultures are messy, more “molecular family” than the “traditional” atomic family, because the culture is based on empathy and shame/honor. Without empathy, leadership always dehumanizes the ones it is supposed to serve.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Empathy is socialist dontcha know?

    We're too busy importing the us culture to notice rampant individualism does not make a good society to love in.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Crazy thing is, up until 2024, Canada was proud to be socialist. But you’re right; a LOT of the US culture slops across the border. Happened during the McCarthy years too.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Crazy thing is, up until 2024, Canada was proud to be socialist.

    Huh? Canada has not been socialist at any time I can remember.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    The push for the “nuclear family” has always been about undermining any community structure that can’t be controlled by big capital. Demonize all gatherings except in a well funded church (i.e. a controllable arm of capital) and you can easily convince people that this is the only way life works and there’s literally no other way to do things.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    It really should be at or near the top of the list of requirements IMO

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago*

    I care about it a great deal.

    But if you want a hypothesis for your question..

    I think its because, as primates, we feel a desire to punish our enemies. It an emotional impulse, and therefore gets a power buff in its influence over our beliefs compared to being reasonable and fostering understanding. The empathetic leader is perceived to lack in their capabilities for delivering punishment.

    Control is why we (the society) are discouraged from developing the skills to be reasonable in the first place.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    It is really false. In fact, most people care if leaders have empathy, they care that the people in power have no empathy, this is the most wanted trait for ceo and top level executives. Psychopaths and sociopaths make the best leaders. Or this is what our society try to push.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Because not giving a damn bubbled up from its sources as teenage angst and toxic masculinity… into the actually dominant role model for rich men

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I remember in school everyone was indoctrinated about how amazing globalism is. The issue is that before that those sociopathic narcissist fucks could only cause so much damage. Now that have the whole globe as their playground and their methods grow better and better while the old tricks to deal with them (ergo taking them out to the fields to see the flowers) don't work anymore because they filled the forces with their own kind.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I suppose because it's so common. Power creates apathy, it's a human trait and universal.

    The way to mitigate it is to limit their time in power. There are gentle and not-so-gentle ways to achieve that. However it's done, it needs to be institutionalized and protected as a process. Because people in power will spend some of their power trying to tear down any such process, due to, you know, a lack of empathy. It seems to be a circular trap we're all stuck in, but maybe someday we'll figure out a permanent solution. Maybe.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Empathy is inversely proportional to power.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    In current situation but imagine a world where country leaders could show empathy? I only word it that way because some leaders appear to have it but there's only so much they can do when the other elected reps decide it's not worthwhile. I wonder so much why it's basically a four letter word (so to say) among some groups.

    Basically it's the trait you want in leaders but doesn't make much side money for people doing proper governing. What a shit system cause they all pour honey in our ears how things will be fantastic if just one group was blamed. Horeshit though.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I would buy a mic clip I think.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Because empathy doesn’t scale.

    Empathy works great when you live in a small village and everyone knows each other. It breaks down completely when you get to a city where almost everyone you see is always a stranger.

    You can take the most caring person you know who is always happy to help out or offer a shoulder to cry on. Put them onto a crowded subway with the unkempt, the unruly, people with untreated mental illnesses talking out loud or yelling, and they’ll feel threatened and keep their head down.

    Generally it doesn’t even have to be anywhere near that extreme. Most people don’t want random people talking to them, even without any aggression involved. Now there are some rare people who feel comfortable engaging those situations but most people absolutely do not. The other side of the coin is that (when watching disasters on the news or whatever) people don’t feel empathy for statistics at all, they need to see a face to empathize with.

    Lastly, I will say that empathy does guide public decision making more than it should in a lot of cases. People will engage in stranger danger moral panics or support the “war on terrorism” much more readily than they’ll support attempts to curtail car accident deaths, despite the latter killing far more than the former two combined.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Lastly, I will say that empathy does guide public decision making more than it should in a lot of cases. People will engage in stranger danger moral panics or support the “war on terrorism” much more readily than they’ll support attempts to curtail car accident deaths, despite the latter killing far more than the former two combined.

    That is not empathy, it's exploitation of fear.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    Call it whatever you want, empathy is part of the process. When people fear terrorist attacks, they’re empathizing with the victims. They’re literally imagining themselves in that situation and that is what produces their fear response. Exploitation of fear is exploitation of empathy, by definition.

    For whatever reason, people can’t seem to muster up the same empathy for victims of a car crash.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I totally disagree.

    Empathy co-exists with self-preservation and boundary setting. Your example of people on a subway says nothing about empathy. Not wanting people to talk to you says nothing about empathy. Empathy does not demand extroversion. Being scared says nothing about empathy. Manipulating people into panic where they fear for themselves or others and make decisions on that basis does not disprove empathy. Every single example is a red herring based on a false dichotomy.

    Also, scale historically increases empathy. The more we have become a connected global society, the more empathy has increased for others around the world.

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  • [+] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)
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    Oh yes, I’m a firm believer that democracy is bad, and people know this intuitively but they forget because they’re taught to reflexively support democracy and criticize everything else.

    People love to trash capitalism on Lemmy but praise socialism and democracy. When it comes to which t shirt style I get to wear, I vastly prefer capitalism. If that were a democratic choice we’d all be wearing the same t shirt!

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    China is the place where, if someone hits you with their car by accident, they’ll stop and run you over to finish you off, in order to avoid paying your family for caring for you and your injuries.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It’s nothing to do with race and everything to do with ideology. I have close friends whose parents survived the cultural revolution. They would tell you the same thing.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Nope. I’m not racist, and fuck you for even suggesting it!

    You’re doing the same shit people do to defend the government of Israel! Accusing anyone who criticizes the country of being an anti-Semite.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    You ought to educate yourself on the difference between the general and the universal. A society can have serious ideological, legal, and social problems without those issues reflecting on the people or their culture.

    I think this is too sophisticated an argument for someone like you, though, so I won’t waste any further time on you. You think everything in black and white terms, ready to pounce on anyone you think is the other team. Good day!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Your last paragraph is on point. Empathy can be manipulated, objective fact based reasoning is less susceptible. Empathy deserves a seat at the table, but not at the expense of objective reasoning, the latter which plays a much larger role in providing benefits for the majority of a society at large.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    As much as I hate to admit it, you're pretty accurate here. However, there is one thing I'd like to offer: you can train yourself to be more empathetic. It's hard and requires an open mind not just for the people around you but also in regard to your own self-awareness, but it IS doable.

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    [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    How do you prove empathy?

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