I might put on my goin out overalls and check these things out. Ain't my fault I'm a true american with pockets full of wet clay. Takes a pressure washer to get that kind out mud out from under my fingernails.
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Mine has had these, but only on locked cabinets, for years.
I don't know if they review 'em tho. Got sick and fucking tired of needing an employee to open the cabinent with the dog treats (most of the time, nobody even comes no matter how long I wait or how many time I press the button for service) so I got my own universal barrel key that opens their cabinets and just take what I need. Sometimes, I even pay for it.
Tell me more about how one procures a universal barrel key.
That's a lock pick, not a key.
Also, Walmart doesn't use physical keys anymore. It's some sort of wireless thing like NFC.
A 'universal' key, IE a key that can be used to open multiple different locks. So yes, a lock pick. What were you expecting?
Not all walmarts are the same, many haven't 'upgraded' to digital locks. Still an interesting tool for the arsenal.
A 'universal' key, IE a key that can be used to open multiple different locks. So yes, a lock pick. What were you expecting?
Something like a TSA key that fits the lock in addition to the owner’s key.
A lock pick requires an amount of skill to use and is definitely not a key.
There are universal luggage keys because luggage makers make locks that need to be opened by 3rd parties. Barrel locks aren’t designed that way.
Also the TSA has a set of universal keys, there isn’t a single key that works on all luggage.
The TSA have 3-4 specific 'TSA keys' (which are easily purchased), and they demand you use a 'TSA approved' lock which has an extra keyway explicitly for them to use. If you don't use one of these locks, they'll cut yours off during inspection and give it back to you in pieces, with no compensation.
Something like a TSA key that fits the lock in addition to the owner’s key.
'TSA approved' locks have a seprate keyway specifically for TSA to open and inspect your bags.
There is something called 'Master Keying' (not talking about the master lock company), where you can setup the pins in a lock to open for multiple different keys. Commonly used in places like hotels and motels: one key only opens your door (this is the one given to you at check-in) and another key that opens all the motels locks, given to management/cleaning staff so they can get into each room without needing dozens or hundreds of keys.
This requires each lock to be explicitly setup with the correct pins to accept both keys. Not super common now, but you still find them now and again.
You go to your favorite search engine and enter "universal barrel key."
It looks kind of like a screwdriver. Ask The Lockpicking Lawyer.
They literally look like this:

That's just a key, presumably a copy of the specific key that your local walmart uses; there's nothing 'universal' about it.
These are some of the cheapest locks you can get and all just use a single tooth to turn the latch.
Each of the little pins you see in the ring of that lock are equivalent to the pins in a typical pin-tumbler lock you'd find on a front door. The corresponding round cutouts in the edge of the key barrel set how far each one is pushed down when you insert the key.
Yes, there's just one little tooth that rotates the lock, but only after each of those pins are pushed down to the correct depth. These are almost always really cheap locks, so you've only got to be kind of close tbh, but you do still have to be close.
You've just got a copy of walmarts keys. (Or a near enough approximation) nothing 'universal' about it. I don't think you explicitly tried to get 'walmarts keys', but got lucky enough with whatever random key you bought that it happens to work.
There's no such thing as a literal 'universal key'. There's commonly used keys (like what a large international retailer might buy and use in bulk....), and there's lock picking tools.
No such thing as a literal universal key
Ever hear of skeleton keys?
Yes, they're only relevant to purely warded locks which are largely nolonger used in the modern world (exceptions always exist, the world isnt black/white).
In the world of pin-tumbler or tubular locks - what we've been talking about - the closest equivalent would be a comb pick/key; which is a bypass tool (or lock pick) that only effects poorly designed locks with pin stacks shorter than the chambers they're in, when they're fully compressed. I don't think I've ever seen one of these for a tubular lock, but they may exist.
Master Lock makes a series of warded locks that are often used outdoors, because they'll function when left in a forest to get rained on and nested in. You'll probably find warded keys like this one on a park ranger's keyring:

Take that key, grind the bumps off everywhere but the tip, and it'll open every lock with that keyway.
As for tubular locks, the pick looks like this:

It's not difficult to use, you jam it in the lock and jick it around until the lock opens. What's happening is you're setting sliding elements on the tool to the pin heights in the lock. Once the lock opens, the business end of the tool now closely resembles the key. The tool can be read to make/buy a proper key for that lock, or you can tighten the collar to lock it down and now the tool functions as a key.
Or you buy the right key, which is what OP did. It's not like the cases in Wal-Mart are all keyed different; the corporation probably orders keys and locks in lots of tens of thousands so I bet there is one tubular key that'll get you into most if not all Wal-Mart cabinets; maybe the guns and ammunition are stored behind a different key, MAYBE. Actually glance into that kind of thing and you'll find out just how useless locks are. There's a key known as the CH751. Almost every RV or camper's exterior baggage doors are locked with a CH751. So are arcade cabinets, gumball machines, voting booths...just about anywhere someone is going to put a bullshit little mass produced lock cylinder it'll probably be a CH751, if they don't replace it with an equally bullshit tubular lock.
That master lock I'm familiar with, I've actually got one sitting on my shelf righ now. I could be mistaken; but I could have sworn those were warded lever locks; needing more than just the tip, but at least one if not two other positions to raise all of the levers as well. Perhaps I was wrong there, they may be even cheaper than I had thought (I've not actually dissected one as they're riveted together).
As I had said; exceptions.
The tubular lockpick is what I posted... So yeah, I'm aware of it and it's usage...
Or you buy the right key, which is what OP did.
This has been my point in this entire conversation. OP didn't buy some magic 'universal key', they bought a regular key that happens to be commonly used. Nothing special.
No, there are bump keys, not for barrel cylinders though
Yup, considered another type of lockpicking tool. Depending on the lock; clumsy, loud, and often ineffective. Usually defeated by security pins and/or different strength springs in the pin stacks. Plus you have to have the correct key blank for the lock cylinder you're attacking.
You could just find an associate. From my experience they will help right away
Find the peanut butter aisle. Then make all the aisles peanut butter aisles.
Have you ever seen the security room at a Walmart? If you ever thought you weren't on camera in a Walmart, you were. It's like a casino.
That particular camera looks like it is in a locking case, usually for hight theft items. The bizarre thing here is why the extra security on Sugar in the Raw and what looks like maybe Stevia.
Not a locked case, it's a normal shelf...also not a normal camera and not for security.
Do you get it now?
Being earnest here, I don't. What's the difference between a normal camera and a security camera? If it's used for surge pricing, absolutely it's terrible. But if it's being used for shoplifting like cameras have been used in stores for forever, I'm not grasping the big deal of these ones. Is it just the potential of them using it for bad (which honestly they probably will)? There's cameras all over aisles, checkout areas already
Notice how there's more than a lense there? Notice the angle the whole unit is going to be monitoring? It's not for security, and the biggest concern isn't even about immoral business practices like surge pricing or even more targeted advertising and coercive "advertising".
Walmart shoppers will put up with anything
I mean, yeah.
Wal-Mart caters to people who will buy cheaper things no matter what, whether that's because they're desperate or disinterested in how that impacts their world.
It's like saying NASCAR fans like seeing cars go fast; that's basically the whole point.
The cameras beep at you too
I suddenly feel the need to grab my largest tipped sharpie and a mask and walk around Walmart for the first time in years
I know someone directly involved with this work/these changes and Walmart absolutely shares this stuff with law enforcement basically freely
What the actual fuck
Sometimes I pick up a shirt and then decide I don't want it, so I just leave it on any old shelf. I'm not very neat about it, and it might hang over the edge a bit. Oops.
Do we have a "boringdystopia" instance on Lemmy yet?
I mean, that Walmart already is going to have had cameras all over the ceiling for a long time.
I'm a little annoyed by a local sandwich shop having their ordering kiosk
which had a camera added
recognize me and start recommending things based on my prior purchases there.
Now when I order at a kiosk, if I see something that looks like a camera, I put my hand over it.
Dude... Are you really oblivious to the difference? These are for facial recognition, eye tracking and surveillance pricing through RFID price tags.
The only part of that not really possible with ceiling cameras is eye tracking, you don't need eye-level cameras for the other two.
To a point, but if you want it done more efficiently in multiple ways, you get cameras like this.
Seriously though, do you even know what you are arguing for here? What you are defending? Insecure people on the internet, trying to be right for the sake of it, even if it means casually normalizing the next indicator of our fascist takeover.
What are you doing?
It must take a lot of compute to have AI review all those cameras and calculate surge pricing. I wonder where they will find it?
The cost of AI to do all this will be higher than any profits they could possibly make, but the managers who came up with this shot already committed and in the end they can just put that cost on the consumers anyway
One man's cost is another man's profit.
At some point, Walmart execs sitting on a pile of NVIDIA stock won't see this as a loss for them. It will just become an excuse to trim spending - on healthcare, on wages, on wholesale costs, on maintenance of their fleets and facilities - everywhere that isn't AI.
You vastly underestimate how cheap and prevalent that sort of AI stuff already is. The upfront costs are high, and there's usually some sort of ongoing support cost, but it's been much cheaper than people since ~2020 and it's only been getting more prevalent and miniaturized.
I'd encourage you to peruse https://everseen.com/solutions for some dystopian horrorshow. That is one of the companies that Kroger and Walmart 'leverage their capabilities from'.
There's also the b2b quid pro quo investment schemes already mentioned.
And also that retail insurers are one of the major ones helping to 'drive adoption of these innovative ermergent technologies' as both the retailers and insurance are constantly trying to scam each other for profit 'maximize the potential earnings from their synergistic, mutually beneficial, relationship'. For further reading
You do understand that many of the claims made about what AI can do ate extremely overstated at best?
AI companies have an extreme circular investment scheme going on and for the bilkuins invested with only a fraction of the running cost coming in, even investors are starting to get itchy. I give AI a full 6 more months before the entire bubble (or ponzi scheme even, at this point) pops and will come crashing down, taking enyitr economies with it.
You do understand that many of the claims made about what AI can do ate extremely overstated at best?
Yes, and that is arguably the bigger problem. They're very careful to not mention any hard numbers on the actual reliability, but if we give it a very generous 80% accuracy in detecting "customer shrinkage" and assume that the error is split evenly into false positives and false negatives that's a 10% of every time you go into a store to buy things getting put into the shoplifter database(assuming the facial recognition is 100% accurate, which again: fucking lol). At which point the retailer's internal reports show an increase in the amount of customer shrinkage.
This creates a vicious feedback loop of increased shoplifting reports, increased demand for shoplifting solutions, increased false data, increased shoplifting reports, etc.. This resulted in a lot of store closures back in 21-22 and is a crucial part of that "circular investment scheme" you mention.
Of course the error rate isn't evenly distributed. It's heavily concentrated on people that "look like criminals" ie, poor, black, young, hispanic, disabled, etc.
The entire "western" economy is ~90% ponzi scheme. The "AI bubble" is a bit lazier of one than usual but it's not to play out any different than the "dot com" bubble.
People are stealing sugar?
I'm not a scientist or anything, but that seems like really bad news
I'm guessing the cameras track your gaze, and they use that to decide what people are most interested in.
Funny thing is, the regional grocer in my area has cameras up all over the entrances and parking lot. In my situation, there is less surveillance at Walmart than the “other guy”.
Surge pricing, here we come!
Pretty soon they'll just assign a drone to follow each customer. Well, not EACH customer, that would be weird.
Just the minorities.
Thoroughly illegal in the EU. Luckily Walmart doesn't operate there.
It wasn't luck. They tried and failed, on account of how many of their normal practices are illegal in the EU.
Part of it was illegal, part of it was that their way of doing business pushed people away. Suppliers didn't want to negotiate with Walmart and workers generally weren't desperate to work there.
I still have rather fond memories of shopping at Walmart in Germany. Tho I was a child and it always was more of an experience than a chore. Then Wexit happened and the world's gone to shit ever since
I'm interested, what makes it illegal?
(likely) face identification and other surveillance of regular customers, if any data at all is created by that and analyzed or stored by anything that is a grave GDPR violation. Surveillance cameras for larger areas can be allowed but only to record for cases of legitimate control, no automated analysis nor data transfer to god knows where.
Personalised pricing is illegal as well in a supermarket. Digital price tags are allowed (and common) but there are clear rules how often prices are allowed to change. I'd have to research it myself but I think not more than once a day.
Not yet, at least. It seems that they operate almost everywhere else though
Oops, my greasy hands just smeared over the lens!
... Whoops, this one too!
Metal scouring pads are only a few aisles over. Aren't they worried about people being able to so easily reach their expensive equipment?
If I ever end up back in a Walmart and see these, I'm definitely setting something in front of them.
I'm sure that camera could accidentally be damaged or rendered non-functional.
This is why they're losing to Amazon.
My God that camera is way too easy to "accidentally" tamper with, lol. At the very least, my kids greese covered finger tips while I stroll by.
Never really got the appeal of walmart, they have only had some I wanted maybe twice over the last 20 years.
Oh well, yet another reason to never go there.
I'm not sure how many shop there because it appeals to them
For many smaller towns, it's the store. And for larger towns, it's still a 1-shop stop. If you're busy and need to grab gym shorts, a hammer, groceries, and a new router you can do it all in one place on the way home from.work.

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