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[–] 120 points 3 months ago (14 children)

When you spur of the moment decide to turn your gaming pc into a proxmox machine and then miss gaming so you end up down a rabbit hole of iommu groups to pass your Gpu through to a steam os VM to wrestle with Linux virtual display drivers so you can use sunshine to cast your games to your laptop

It eventually worked but you can quickly end up in a niche hell hole with little to no coherent documentation.

Trash guides is a gateway drug

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Is it worth it after that's all said and done?

    I'd love to power gaming in my house from a central server, but I keep imagining that it would be spotty and frustrating as hell.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Game streaming is good, but not perfect. It's useable, but you do get the occasional stutter, dropped frames, connection issues, etc. Not to mention increased input lag.

    If you must have your PC in a different room, you'd be better off buying an optical hdmi cord. That's what I do for gaming on my TV after playing a few games through various game streaming apps and getting fed up with it.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I've seen this idea a few times now. How do you get your controllers to connect? Say I want to keep my PC in the basement and have a TV on the second floor. How do I connect the controllers?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I've done this a few ways:

    Optical thunderbolt to thunderbolt dock.. so the dock would be next to your tv and you plugin to the dock with whatever. This works amazingly well.

    Game streaming over Ethernet - moonlight/sunshine do a great job, on a high quality network it's not noticable. Only downside is they don't forward microphone, so you end up doing some gymnastics to get microphone input.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I run a USB to Ethernet adapter from my PC to living room TV along with a optical HDMI cable, I even have a second HDMI for when I want to run a second portable monitor on the couch arm rest for notes and stuff

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Your mileage will vary some hardware has better support than others latency can be an issue on titles that are sensitive to it.

    Rocket league is unplayable but survival craft games play really well!

    The most straightforward approach to dabbling with it would be to install classicoldsongs Apollo on a windows machine it includes virtual display drivers that just work out the box, pair a moonlight client and see how it works for you!

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Years ago, I used Moonlight to cast to an Nvidia Shield. It worked pretty well, although it still required a lot of back and forth to tinker with things on the host PC. Still, it was better than the Steam Link at the time. Recently, I tried using the built-in streaming in Steam to play on a different PC in the house, but it was much the same story: lots of back-and-forth, launchers were annoying, and sometimes it wouldn't display on the right screen.

    Maybe virtual machines would be an improvement.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    You seem to have similar setup
    Though for gaming I still use it mostly "directly"
    Sunshine only when Im bored on work laptop
    The VM still outputs to same display and has keyboard/mouse/etc. passed

    I've been happy with the setup for the last year and half or so

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    lol at 'accidental' beta testers. I tell my family they're testing my shit

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The thing that I hate about self-hosting is that a lot of apps that could just be a plain offline thing are instead being designed to be super bloated server-docker things. Databases are not reasonably portable data formats.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    An sqlite database is a perfectly fine portable data format.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Or, and apparently this is crazy these days - I can just use a file that's in a format appropriate to what I'm trying to do, compatible with the simpler offline app it was made for, and then just use a more general purpose syncing method whether online or sneakernet if I need to do some kind of data transfer - as opposed to accumulating an ever expanding collection of server stacks that are just redundantly doing the same kind of thing anyway while needlessly adding an insane amount of attack surface.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    SQLite allows for more efficient querying of data than doing it by hand, can enforce constraints on the data, and I can query it from my shell.

    Of course it's not going to replace a commonly-used format for a domain. If no such format exists, it's a perfectly acceptable data format for data that's tabular in nature. And it can by sync'd/backed up the same as any other file.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago

    Stage 5 - you live in the woods and talk to a rock

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    I’m worried I don’t know if I’m 2 or 3

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    With this sort of thing, I'm always left wondering what I'm missing in terms of the hardware. Like, I've been collecting bits and bobs of old hardware for years, but it feels like if I want anything more than an absolutely basic raspberry-pi-level server, I need to buy dedicated hardware. For example, I want to put together a nas, especially since I do have a collection of spare, old hard drives, but would want raid for that. Unfortunately, its rare to find a mobo that has more than four sata ports, and all the power supplies I have available to harvest from other systems are either too weak, or are proprietary, meaning I'm halfway to buying a new PC anyway. Is there something I'm missing, or do others just have more disposable income?

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You can get an PCIe HBA on ebay for $50-60 bucks and will allow you to connect 8 disks to a single system. Look for ones that specifically say they have been flashed to IT mode which will let the host system address the individual drives and enable you to use MDADM for RAID. My "Server" is literally just the old motherboard from my gaming PC with 4x 8TB drives connected to one of those ebay HBAs.

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  • [+] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Where do you think all the aforementioned hard drives came from? Lol. Its just that so many of the other parts are proprietary/old that I can't mix-and-match to make something more useful. For a breif period, I had four separate working desktops, and not one had a standard power supply or mobo. I swear all of that should be made illegal.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    To piggyback off of OR3X's comment, I purchased a LSI 9300-16I for my Plex server which will support 16 data/SAS drives with the 4 way cables. They make a 8I version as well that's cheaper. Power is still something you have to work out though, but that's a single PSU.

    I purchased my unit on eBay for $53 a couple years back. I use unRAID to host everything and would recommend because it's fairly simple to setup, and works very well with mixed disks and parity. I've had 5+ old drives fail over the past few years and never lost any data.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    For a lot of purposes, an old slow system is great. Craigslist (if you're in a country that has it, otherwise use your local equivalent) is a great place to find super cheap old equipment to build server infrastructure from. Thrift shops too, I regularly find old UPSs that just need a new lawnmower battery chucked in to work at my local thrift shop, they charge like $10 for em. Usually found near power strips.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago

    I'm definitely stage 3 but it's still an enjoyable hobby that isn't that time-consuming. I think stage 4 is creating your own services and spamming social media in search of users.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I just use flash drives to transfer stuff from my computer to the ipad so i can watch in bed lol, keep my music on an mp3 player

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    "Wow these R730/R740 ear destroying rack servers are super cheap on ebay"

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    No lie, they're awesome. I've got two R720s, and they really aren't bad. I leave one off. The other runs 4-5 VMs and doesn't spin loud at all. Lack rack, surplus drives, a refurbed UPS and it just goes.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago

    I think I have reached stage 4: No hosting, off-site backup is on an external SSD in a locker at work

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Only 27 containers? That rookie numbers... You gotta pump those up!

    I'm currently sitting at 131 containers across 3 Kubernetes nodes, all bare-metal though, no virtualization.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    131 containers seems crazy to me. How many actual services does that translate to? Is it actually closer to 50 services running in parallel on three different nodes for redundancy?

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago
    1. I do this shit for money I ain't going to do it for free. I'm not about to be the 24/7 unpaid on call for my families pagerduty rota. Paid cloud services for me
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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Same, been there for a decade.

    I'm careful about what I want to host because I know I'm the asshole that needs to fix it when it breaks, and password managers that my wife uses are 100% off the self-hosted menu.

    Vaultwarden requires Bitwarden to keep on allowing client access. Even if there are FOSS plugins/clients, I still need ot host it between my house and a cloud and it needs to be highly available.

    I'll keep paying for that one.

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    [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Nonsense! The old laptop I run proxmox, home assistant, and most of my containers on is mounted to the wall in the garage, not under the stairs.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I’m trying to figure out where to put my server, currently it’s on my desk. I want to avoid the garage because of exhaust/dirt/temperature swings. The understair closet is next to the shower, so humidity could be a concern, and also it’s a small awkward shaped space. I would prefer to set it up in the utility room, but there’s humidity and dust from the dryer and washer. Maybe I’m just being too precious though

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Mine is actually in a toilet cubby in my garage, it's the only part of the garage that's heated and it's mostly separate from the mess I make in the rest of the space. But I do blow it out with compressed air semi-regularly because its still less than ideal.

    It was convenient though because it's on the other side of a wall shared by my entertainment center, so it was easy to cut holes and put in keystone plates on both sides.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    4th is writing your own self hosted tools

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Laptops have an integrated UPS!

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Tried that for a while. The battery turned into a spicy pillow and nearly broke the keyboard from how much it puffed out.

    If you do that, make sure the laptop has a feature to keep the battery from charging to 100% at all times. UPSs with lead acid batteries handle sitting at 100% much better.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Alternatively, you can remove the battery and have the laptop plugged into a charger 24/7. I did that a while ago for my laptop server and it's been working great. I need to watch to not move the carpet it stands on (on a separate stand) too much since the connection is a little flimsy, but I've not had to deal with random shutdowns because of that at all yet.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    I've been pretty happy in #2 for years.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    i uhh yeah host abt 10 containers on an i7 laptop currently. in my small office (kids bedroom) closet. I do also have a 3tb storage available but its what I had … an external wd drive. sigh. i am nbr 3 huh?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Me transition from stage 1 to stage 2, nervously.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Just wait till stage 4 - I've got a 12u server rack, separate 6u networking cabinet, 80+ containers running on multiple VMs managed by multiple Proxmox nodes and all my infrastructure is transitioning to OpenTofu and OpenBao so I can spin up new VMs, manage the containers with Komodo, etc and all managed with single sign on. I've got ~$12k sunk into my local AI server alone. I have like 2 active users besides myself...

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I won't lie. I've found myself peaking into corners of the house and thinking about where I'd install a proper rack. House just isn't wired properly for it, though.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Not to be rude but isn't this just humble-bragging and a subset of Stage 3?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It's a meme so... Sure? I'd say the jump is from commodity hardware and manual maintenance to enterprise hardware, infrastructure as code, and high availability. It's a whole new level of pain in my opinion both in terms of mental fatigue and on my wallet

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Stage 4: "I'm done. This isn't worth it and I don't actually NEED any of it! rm -rf / it all and wander silently off into the woods. Curl up on a mound of moss and watch all the things that bumble."

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    I left all of that shit behind and now just use VLC to stream to any pc on my network from a shared drive.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    2 and 3 are the same and you're deluded if you think otherwise

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    The difference between 2nd and 3rd is about 24h

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    My nextcloud instance is on a managed hosting server and has been for the last 4 years. My homeassistant uses the standard raspberry pi image since I've had it for the last 3 months.

    (And yes I have to constantly withstand the urge to fully self-host my Nextcloud and reinstall my Homeassistant with a Gentoo base.)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I use a NAS for backup and I am always concerned about the backup being in the same physical location as the primary. I still haven't figured out the best way to resolve that.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    My solution is to have a mini PC in a remote location which boots at a given time each day (BIOS option using RTC Clock). It autoconnects via Wireguard VPN to my home network. I have rest-server running in a container.

    Locally, I have a cron job for restic backups to the remote rest-server, followed by an ssh command to update and power off.

    Has been solid so far!

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Gift a NAS to one of your friends or someone in your family who lives in a very secure location and has very good internet.

    Except tell them that the condition for you giving then a few TB on your hardware is that you sync your NAS to their NAS daily

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    For me it goes from interested in alternatives, to uber into hosting as much you can, down to the essentials.

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    Stage 4 clustered servers so k8s can keep the containers up and configured

    Stage 5 GitOps

    Stage 6 federated clusters on your buddies infrastructure so each of you have off site high availability. Or hardware squirled away at families houses.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Um.. Where does the guy in the middle host his shit these days? Asking for a friend.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I have Synapse(Matrix) on Nano Pi NEO in me CV :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    oh and by the way, back then Synapse was much worse. I created few GBs of swap on microSD to get it installed :>

    Indeed NanoPi NEO is a lovely cute board. Who needs 64 bit? :>

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Anyone tried IncusOS? I'm building a 10inch rack currently and semi-committed to it already. Three Lenovo m920q in a cluster, plus a current mITX NAS/Docker with 40TB of storage

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I'm in this meme and I don't like it

    ooo audiobookshelf don't mind if I do

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'm at stage 3 now, and proudly so

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