Over the last weeks I went through 600+ brands that get recommended as "European alternatives" and tried to verify where their products are actually made โ€” factory pages, press visits, certifications. Some things genuinely surprised me:

1. Birkenstock really is made in Germany โ€” over 95%. Their largest production site is in Gรถrlitz, Saxony, and they're expanding it. (source)

2. Every single Nespresso capsule sold worldwide is made in Switzerland. All of them โ€” roasted, ground and sealed in one of three Swiss factories. (source)

3. The Norwegian outdoor brands mostly don't produce in Norway โ€” but they built their own factories in the Baltics. Norrรธna runs its own factory in Lithuania, Devold makes over 90% of its wool clothing at its Lithuanian plant, and Aclima knits its merino in Estonia. Still EU, still their own factories โ€” but not what the marketing photos imply. (Norrรธna, Devold, Aclima)

4. About 85% of Beyerdynamic headphones are still handmade in Heilbronn, Germany. In an industry that moved to Asia decades ago. (source)

5. Salomon opened a fully automated sneaker factory in the French Alps to build shoes 100% in France. Automation is what makes European sneaker production viable again. (source) (Scope correction in the EDIT below.)

6. The canvas sneakers you'd guess are the most "outsourced" product are the opposite: Novesta has run the same Slovak factory since 1939. (source)

The pattern I keep seeing: "European brand" and "made in Europe" are completely different claims. The ones that really produce here are usually loud about the specific factory โ€” the vague ones ("designed inโ€ฆ", "European quality") usually aren't.

And the flip side, which felt just as important: some famous "European" names didn't hold up. The SIGG bottle is no longer made in Switzerland; the Berkel slicer โ€” an Italian icon โ€” is now built in India under a "design made in Italy" line; Teufel is designed in Berlin but produced in China. I put those on a public "not listed" page with the reason for each, because quietly leaving them out felt dishonest.

Disclosure: this is my own project โ€” I put all 628 verified brands with their sources into a free directory, browle.com, EN/DE/FR, no ads, no tracking and since this thread: no third-party code on a normal page view. The "not listed" page is there too. Corrections very welcome โ€” the evidence link is on every entry.

EDIT (26 July): I wrote in the correction comment that I'd leave the original text standing. With a third correction now in, that stops being honesty and starts being a post that's wrong in three places, so the corrections are in the body itself: wrong lines struck through, nothing deleted.

  1. "No tracking" was wrong. The site's own code never had trackers, but the newsletter form was a beehiiv embed that loaded Google Tag Manager and other third-party scripts inside its iframe on every page. Since 25 July the form loads only if you click it; a normal page view runs no third-party code. Details in the comment linked above.

  2. The SIGG line was wrong. They still run their own factory in Frauenfeld and mark the Swiss-made bottles with a red Swiss cross; other lines come from outside suppliers. "Check for the cross", not "no longer made in Switzerland".

  3. Salomon needed scoping. The French factory is real, but it builds select models; most of the range is still made in Asia. The directory entry now says so plainly.

All three came from commenters here. The count in the disclosure was 628 when I posted; it's 631 today, and three of those are tips from this thread.

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[โ€“] 149 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Espresso capsules may be made in Switzerland, but Nestlรฉ is one of the more ethically problematic corporations, responsible for unethical baby-milk promotion in the developing world, aggressive water privatisation and other predatory practices. If it was a choice between them and a random American company, Iโ€™d choose the latter.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 11 points 3 months ago

    Fair, and I don't want the list read as an endorsement.

    browle answers one narrow question โ€” where is this actually manufactured โ€” and deliberately doesn't rank companies on ethics, because that's a judgement you'd want to make yourself and we'd almost certainly draw the lines differently. Nespresso is in there because the manufacturing claim is unusually verifiable, not because I think Nestlรฉ is a good corporate citizen. The baby-formula history and the water extraction are real and well documented.

    "Made here" and "behaves well" are separate axes, and a directory that quietly merged them would be doing the same thing I'm complaining about with "designed in".

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  • [โ€“] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I donโ€™t know about all of them, but of the ones Iโ€™m familiar with, Birkenstock and Beyerdynamic, neither is really European anymore. Birkenstock sold a majority stake to L Catterton in 2021. It's a US American private equity firm. Beyerdynamic was sold to Cosonic in 2025, a Chinese company.

    From what I've heard Birkenstocks have gone down in quality massively since then even if they're mostly still produced in Germany. I don't know how Beyerdynamics has fared since.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 7 points 3 months ago

    Both true, and worth stating plainly: Birkenstock has been majority-owned by L Catterton, a US private equity firm, since 2021, and beyerdynamic was sold to Cosonic โ€” a Chinese OEM that builds headphones for Philips, JBL and Beats โ€” in June 2025 for a reported โ‚ฌ122m.

    What browle checks is where a product is manufactured, not who owns the brand. Those are genuinely different questions and I should be clearer about that on the site. On the manufacturing side both still hold: Birkenstock's Gรถrlitz site is still being expanded, and the Cosonic deal was explicitly structured around keeping the Heilbronn production and the "Handmade in Heilbronn" marking, with the existing management staying in place.

    Whether that survives the next few years is exactly what a directory like this should re-check rather than assume โ€” every entry carries a "last verified" date for that reason, and this is a good argument for showing ownership as its own field instead of leaving people to find it out in a comment section. Noted, and thank you.

    On quality post-2021: that I can't verify, so I won't pretend to.

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    claude cream will be the next twitter blue of the web and im already sick of looking at it.
    also please dont say there is "no tracking" if you are injecting google tag manager :/

    good luck with the project though :)

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  • [โ€“] [S] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    You're right, and thanks for catching it โ€” I've fixed it rather than argue about it.

    What was happening: browle's own code has no GTM and no analytics cookies (PostHog, EU-hosted, cookieless, no person profiles). But the newsletter signup form was a beehiiv embed sitting on every page, and inside that iframe beehiiv loads googletagmanager.com/gtm.js (container GTM-WJXL7FH) plus a PerimeterX script and Google Fonts, with a __cf_bm cookie on top. So "no tracking" was false for anyone who loaded any page, whether or not they cared about the newsletter. My mistake was treating "we don't add trackers" and "no trackers load" as the same sentence.

    As of today the form only loads when you click the subscribe button. On a normal page view nothing loads from beehiiv or Google at all โ€” the one remaining external request is EU-hosted PostHog, which the privacy page has always described. That page now also names GTM, PerimeterX and the __cf_bm cookie outright instead of leaving them undisclosed: https://browle.com/en/privacy

    If you check again and something still fires that shouldn't, tell me and I'll fix that too.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Are you an LLM? The way you write is suspicious.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Hi asudox. No, I am not an LLM. But I did use LLM for reviewing my posts (especially because I am not English-native speaker). But I fully get your point and I will make sure moving forward to keep the LLM review to a strict minimum, and will put more focus on my own, natural language :) Thanks a lot for pointing it out to me! Much appreciated.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Do you use LLMs to review your text or completely (re)write them?

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  • [โ€“] [S] 1 point 3 months ago

    I actually also used LLM to provide the draft texts which I then reviewed context-wise. However, as I also responded to some other comments, I will (actually have already) changed to not use LLM anymore. Instead, I am drafting all my responses on my own and just have LLM polish my English :-)

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    Ok, but fuck nestle.

    Also most salomons are made here in vietnam. Weirdly they're even more expensive and don't come with a 2 year warranty so I have absolutely no idea who is buying their stuff in Vietnam.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I have bought many jackets and shoes from Salomon, but it has never been made in Europe. And I saw a while ago that they are owned by a Chinese company.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    Your experience checks out. Nearly everything Salomon sells, jackets included, is made in Asia. The French factory is real but builds select shoe models only; my entry was too loose about that until this thread, and now says so plainly.

    On ownership: Salomon belongs to Amer Sports, originally Finnish, and Amer's largest shareholder since the 2019 buyout is Anta Sports from China (PromKingJosh has the numbers upthread, around 44%, plus a small Tencent stake). So not wholly Chinese-owned, but Chinese-anchored, yes.

    The directory deliberately answers one narrow question, where the product is manufactured, and not who owns the brand. Both matter when you decide what to buy; they're just different facts, and blurring them is how "European brand" got so fuzzy in the first place. The same came up with Birkenstock upthread, majority-owned by a US fund since 2021. Showing ownership as its own field is on my list for exactly that reason.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You're right, and my directory entry was too loose about it. Fixed today.

    Most Salomon volume is built in Asia, Vietnam included, exactly as you say. What surprised me was the exception: the automated ASF 4.0 factory in Ardoix that builds select models 100% in France. That's a small slice of the range, notable because it exists at all, not because it's the norm. The entry now carries the "specific lines" badge and says plainly that the bulk of the range is still made in Asia.

    On Nestlรฉ: no argument here, see my reply upthread. The list answers where something is made, not whether the company deserves your money.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Salomon shoes say where they were made on the tag, but you can never trust it.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 1 point 3 months ago

    Fair, and that is roughly why the Salomon entry got rewritten after this thread. The French factory is real, but it builds selected models while most of the range still comes from Asia, so the entry says that now instead of "made in France". A tag is only as good as the rules behind it, and for footwear those rules let a lot through. If you ever find a tag that contradicts something I have listed, send it over. That is the kind of check I cannot do from a company website.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    There's a site that just came to my attention, worseonpurpose.com, that might appreciate this information.

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    All this makes me wonder if maybe I should establish a store that only sells European-made/European-owned products... that way, the visitor needs not figure it all out.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    If you do, the hardest part is deciding what counts. Owned in Europe, founded in Europe and manufactured in Europe give you three very different lists, and a lot of brands only make it into one of them. I settled on production location as the only thing that decides a listing, and put ownership on the page as a separate fact, because people kept reading one as the other. Everything I have is public with the source on each entry, so lift whatever is useful.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    It's more of a thought experiment as sadly I have no experience with making a store, but I would personally be inclined to categorise them by product first, and label each of them on the shelf.

    I'd not go for where it is founded, rather focusing on the supply chain.

    I feel like these are most relevant, in no particular order:

    a. Owned by Europe (parent company is especially important)
    b. Manufactured in Europe
    c. Based/Hosted in Europe

    I'm not sure which one is more significant. Motorola for example is US-based but owned by a Chinese company, so ultimately, who has more influence on their products?

    'Europe' here denotes EU & Schengen, although I'd probably be inclined to include other European countries as well if they have a good human rights' record.

    If there's a lot of choice, I'd prioritise worker-owned cooperatives and those companies/countries with good labour rights and social progress.

    That said, people will be drawn more easily to European products, I feel, if it is also more affordable, so perhaps a membership could be included that gives you a discount. But that's something most companies have anyways.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Two corrections, both from this thread.

    1. The disclosure below says "no tracking". That was wrong. The newsletter signup form was a beehiiv embed sitting on every page, and inside its iframe beehiiv loaded Google Tag Manager, a PerimeterX script and Google Fonts. browle's own code never had any of it, but that distinction doesn't help you as a reader โ€” it loaded either way. Fixed the same day: the form now loads only if you click it, nothing third-party runs on a normal page view, and the privacy page names all of it outright.

    2. The SIGG line above is wrong. They still run their own factory in Frauenfeld and mark Swiss-made products with the red Swiss cross โ€” the range is split, not moved abroad. It's now a scoped listing on browle instead of sitting on the not-listed page.

    Both were caught by commenters here, which is roughly the best argument for posting this stuff in public. Leaving the original text standing rather than quietly rewriting it.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Leaving the original text standing rather than quietly rewriting it.

    Maybe cross it out and add the correct information afterward? That way the original can be seen, but if someone doesn't scroll down to the comments, they still get correct info.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Hell yeah, thanks for the research!

    On electronics, any recommendations? I made a list here...

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  • [โ€“] [S] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Electronics is browle's thinnest category by a wide margin, and it's the one where verification is hardest โ€” "designed in" and "assembled in" do most of the marketing work in that industry, and very few makers will name the plant.

    I'll go through your list properly. The ones worth flagging to me are any where the manufacturer names the actual site rather than the country: that's the difference between something I can list and something I can't.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Will you continue to add more brands and regularly check where they are made? Maybe you can add a field for suggestions of new brands?

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    Both things from this thread are now live.

    The suggestion form: browle.com/en/suggest (also /de and /fr). Brand name plus an evidence link is all it takes, no account needed, and every suggestion goes through the same verification as any listed brand. You asked for exactly this, so it seemed wrong to keep pointing people at an email address.

    And ownership is now its own field on brand pages, separate from the manufacturing facts. The first batch is the cases this thread raised: Birkenstock (L Catterton, 62.4% per their SEC annual report), Salomon's parent Amer Sports (Anta largest shareholder at 41.7%), Beyerdynamic (Cosonic), SIGG (Haers), plus Lowa (Tecnica Group) and Duralex, which went the other direction and became an employee cooperative in 2024. Each dated and sourced, and the page says plainly: ownership is shown for context, listing stays based only on where products are made.

    Thanks for the push. Tips from this thread built most of what shipped this week.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    Yes to both, that's the plan.

    Every entry shows a "last verified" date, and re-checks update it. In practice threads like this one are the fastest correction mechanism: three fixes from this thread went into the data the same day, including the SIGG scope and Sennheiser's Tullamore factory.

    For suggestions, contact@browle.com works today and goes straight into the review queue. A proper suggestion form on the site is on the roadmap. Suggestions only get listed once there's a public source for where the products are made, which is also why some famous names sit on the "not listed" page instead.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 3 months ago

    This is marvelous, thank you for the hard work!

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  • Thank you - that sounds like a lot of ground work that most people don't know how to even start, but can benefit from.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 3 months ago

    Good work. I will check it during the weekend.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Do you take suggested additions? I like Fjallraven stuff, but they donโ€™t manufacture in Sweden, sadly.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Fjรคllrรคven is a lifestyle fashion company nowadays unless you go for the top shelf stuff.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Expand on this? You donโ€™t like their winter gear?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Not much to expand on and it's not any sort of shocking surprise either.

    They still have a premium segment that is among the best, but what used to be affordable great quality outdoors gear is nowadays overpriced urban fashion lifestyle branding for clothes and bags and stuff that are made for looks rather than be in the wild.

    An unsurprising and sadly common progression when the founder leaves the business to the kids and family that aren't emotionally invested but want to cash in enough for everyone that holds a share of the family business.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Thatโ€™s the info I was looking for. I still thought they made quality stuff, but I never found them to be affordable. I didnโ€™t know all that about the founder and the kids and so on. Thatโ€™s unfortunate โ˜น๏ธ.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Their quality gear for enthusiasts is still great, but the reason they are so big and common and known in Sweden is because they were a great bang for the buck in the family price range. That's the money maker where they cut all the corners now when they are an international lifestyle fashion brand.

    It's happened with numerous outdoors brands the last ten-twenty years that they shifted ownership and target demographic and let go of what made their reputation in the first place.

    Then again, arguably it's the evolutionary nature of commerce and capitalism that good things become what they set out to challenge and new small startups take their place.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 1 point 3 months ago

    Suggestions are the main way this grows, so yes โ€” keep them coming.

    Fjรคllrรคven is a good example of the hard case: strong Swedish identity, production largely elsewhere, and no per-line statement from them that I can point at. Without that there's nothing to verify in either direction, which makes it a not-listed candidate rather than a listing. That page exists precisely so brands like this don't just quietly go missing.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Great work, OP! ๐Ÿ‘ You have also now made me even more happy about wearing Birkenstock sandals this summer. ๐Ÿ˜Š

    https://postimg.cc/QHvYtzy6

    As for footwear in general, there seem to be some decenr brands in Portugal and Spain. Maybe you have them covered on the list as well. ๐Ÿ˜Š

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    Both are in there โ€” 11 Portuguese and 11 Spanish entries at the moment, and footwear is where they're strongest, which matches what you'd expect. Portugal in particular is where a lot of the shoes sold under other countries' brands actually get made.

    https://browle.com/en/made-in/portugal ยท https://browle.com/en/made-in/spain

    p.s.: glad to make you even more happy wearing Birkenstock sandals ๐Ÿ˜€

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Arcos knifes are still supposedly made in Spain.

    When I was buying a SIGG bottle the filter on the page let me search for EU made bottles. At least some models are still supposedly made in Germany Switzerland.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    Both of your tips checked out, and both are in the directory now. Thanks.

    Arcos: their own pages document the Albacete plants, knives since 1734, around 75,000 pieces a day. Listed.

    And you're right about SIGG, which means my post above overstates it. Their Frauenfeld factory still makes the aluminium bottles, and SIGG marks the Swiss-made ones with a red Swiss cross; other lines come from outside suppliers. So it's not "no longer made in Switzerland", it's "check for the cross". The entry is scoped that way now.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    You're right and I got this one wrong โ€” thank you.

    I re-checked SIGG's own pages. Their Swiss Made page refers to "our factory in Frauenfeld" and says the red Swiss cross logo "identifies products that are manufactured in Switzerland", with the origin stated on the product or the packaging. Their Swissness page says they keep investing in the Frauenfeld factory, while also working with outside manufacturers "regardless of where they are produced".

    So the accurate picture is a split range โ€” part still made in Frauenfeld, part not โ€” and not "no longer made in Switzerland", which is what browle's not-listed page says and what I repeated in this post. That's overstated and I'm correcting it; a split range is what the site handles as a scoped entry, which is how it should have been filed.

    Arcos: noted, and it came up twice in this thread โ€” Albacete, stated on their own site. It goes in the queue.

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  • [+] 0 points 3 months ago (11 children)
  • [โ€“] 15 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Is it though? Some people, myself included, actually use emdashes, though I'm usually just lazy and use a hyphen instead.

    Or is something beyond the emdashes tipping you off?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    When being lazy, an em dash should be replaced with two hyphens.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Sane people use n-dashes. Fight me.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I agree, m-dashes are too long, but afaik in US-English they are the norm (but not with spaces around it, which imho makes it even worse).

    I would say โ€“ interjecting like this โ€“ flows much better thanโ€”interjecting like thisโ€”in the middle of text.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 3 months ago

    While some people would insist on a strict difference in the usage between en and em dash, like so many things the lines have become blurred.

    Though to some this is "incorrect" usage, I like the space-endash-space visually as a replacement for (bracketed) text, especially when dealing with a longer "aside" within a larger block of text.

    As however those exact same people would almost certainly tell me that "language evolves" and to stop being a "prescriptivist" when insisting that you can't just use words incorrectly and insist that the reader keep up with your new meaning, they can get bent.

    I like the way it looks, and it reads well for the overwhelming majority of people.

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  • Bookmarked, thanks.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 3 months ago

    I don't think it matters where they are physiclally made. What matters is where the money is going.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Hum? You 've linked the sources for the 10, but you mention over 600. Do you have the list somewhere public, or even a repo, for issues/corrections (maybe not Github, because affiliations)?

    And yeah, things like this would be great as a nonprofit, maybe even funded by national consumer protection agencies.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 2 points 3 months ago

    The full list is the site itself: all 631 are on browle.com, and the evidence link sits on every entry's page โ€” the ten in the post were just the ones that made good reading. Categories, countries and search are the ways in.

    There's no open repo right now, and corrections don't need one (or any account): since this week there's a form at browle.com/en/suggest. It works for new brands and for "this entry is wrong" alike โ€” an evidence link is the one thing I really need. This thread alone produced several corrections and two shipped features, so the channel demonstrably works.

    On nonprofit: it's a one-person project funded by disclosed affiliate links on some outbound buttons โ€” the disclosure is in the footer, and listings are never affected by it; that bar is public on the site. Public or consumer-protection funding is a kind thought, but I'd rather keep earning trust with sources first and think about structures later.

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Please ditch the clickbait title, it's quite annoying.

    Btw yea, those labels like IKEA's "designed in Sweden" are openly racist, who tf cares where something was designed, don't try to Europe-wash your outsourced production...

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think it is important where the items are designed, but the manufacturing is also important. I will still avoid the Chinese cars that will be manufactured in Europe because of the design and ownership.

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