If you can't deal with an adult partner, dealing with kids might not be so great for you either.
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For women, its fairy easy, go to a sperm bank, pick your choice, get the procedure done and you are on your way.
That's a bit of an over simplification. There's 40 of pregnancy and birth. Also caring for a newborn is very difficult. You may be better off trying to adopt.
I have a friend who took that road. He adopted a 13 year old from a bad situation. Said kid is now a college graduate. It seems like that is a rewarding path without as many moving parts.
As a father of two though I can tell you I have repeatedly said to my wife "I have no idea how single parents can do this.". They do it because they don't have a choice mostly, but you absolutely do. Make sure you've prepared yourself as much as possible and maybe try some extended solo kid time (2+ or better 3+ days) if you have friends with younger kids. It's not complicated, but it's not easy by any means.
Adopt, volunteer in an orphanage, have a weekend visit, something like that. Just know it’ll be rough being a single parent.
You don't want to deal with an adult who may be as obstinate as you, but you want kids?
I would have a think on that before having kids if I were you
Example conversation
Me to my niece: I like the little bow on your hair.
My niece: Thanks uncle N. I want a pink one for my birthday. Don't forget.
Me to my ex: I like the little bow on your hair.
My ex: What are you trying to say? I'm a slut? Fuck you. Who do you think you are talking to?
No, I am not kidding. She had a complicated relationship with herself, alcohol, her employer and her landlord. The previous one cheated and got pregnant, other one enabled my terrible habits and left me after I went sober and clean. I'm not expecting the exact same response but getting insulted for complimenting someone is a pain. Maybe its my choice of people, maybe its something I do or say, but I know what is working for me, hence how we got here.
First of all: when it comes to relationships:
not all women.
not all men.
not all people.
Second of all: if you think that was bad you havent seen how teenagers get with their parents yet. and that little girl still goes home and have tantrums you dont have to deal with regardless of how cute the bow is.
So you might benefit from some therapy around relationships before embarking on fatherhood. Especially if you have had limited experience with some difficult people and think raising a teenager is going to be any easier or nicer. And you're going to wish you had another adult to tag team just to have a time out from with a kid at any age. cuz you cant divorce that kid just cuz they are having a 'difficult phase'.
From what I've experienced, I'd say being with the kids has been far more easier. I don't have limited experience with difficult people, I have a crap load of experience dealing with difficult people. I've lived that life, and I am not going back. Yes, I get that kids would not be a "divorce" away, and I am ok with that. I was a kid too, and maybe I've been an asshole, but I have never woken up intending to hurt or trick someone. Neither do these kids so far, outside of trying to get candy and going for movie nights.
OH HAHAHA HAHA ...you... you think its easier??
you dont think a teenager wont just say shit to hurt your feelings?
you havent experienced a teenage girl threaten that she will crawl out the bedroom window at 2am, get pregnant and make you raise the child . for what reason you might ask? for no other reason other than her being born and having a bad period/you bought the wrong cereal. and shes 11. threatening to get raped on the street.
and thats after you gave her everything, education, sex ed, food, been there for them.
this is true stories bro. this is true parenthood.
you cannot say i didnt warn you.
think: this person can hurt you the deepest and you are 100% responsible for everything they do. up to and including killing a person after they stole a scooter on your credit card. that is 100% on you.
another adult pulling this shit you can easily extract yourself. you arent lawfully responsible.
teenagers: nope. not as easy. you remain lawfully responsible for everything they do.
Not all people are your crazy ex. The kid will say way worse than that to you they can be fucken mean when they're pissed off at you.
I get where kids come from. I've been raising 3 for the last couple of years. I also get where grownups come from. Its the intent. Kids say hurtful things and lash out, I've dealt with that. Grownups should know better than shit on a compliment, or suck someone down with their crap, or be unfaithful. Past the age of majority, yeah, you should own and carry your bag. Excuses should be out of the window. Oh, and if you read my previous post, those were 3 exes, not 1.
Depends a lot on where you are, but I think odds and society is stacked against you here. In theory, adoption is a possibility, but I suspect you'd face a lot more scrutiny than a single woman would in this situation.
I am not a parent, I am a soccer account on the fediverse, so this is the best I’ve got:
If you’re looking for a gentle on-ramp into having a kid around the house, maybe starting small with something like a home stay program is easier? My local usl 2 team and my local mls side are always looking for people to host young adults who come to the city to train, and there are a lot of foreign exchange programs (by way of example -- maybe your area has something similar?). It might be easier to assess how you feel about being a single parent with a teen for a summer than an infant from a surrogate, and as much as I hate to say this, building a bit of a resume as a single man may be required for you, and something like that might help.
I'm already helping raise 3 kids and have been doing so for years. My dynamic is changing, and since I'm going solo, this is one future I want to explore and try make happen.
I also did the soccer team thing, we never won a single game this season, dang. Cleats and shinguards for growing kids pile up quick.
You can adopt or find a surrogant and and/or an egg donor but it's going to be hell and very expensive.
Like six figures in cash expensive.
Interesting perspective. May I ask your age? I'm going to be 48 this month and while I have similar relationship experience, to the point that I don't have any experience at all for the last 20 years- I feel like the last thing the world needs is someone as broken as me raising a child. I can't be trusted to do the dishes these days.
Turning 45. I used to avoid the dishwasher like the plague, now, its the last thing I do before I go to sleep. I can't imagine dirty dishes around me, a far cry from me and roaches not too long ago. I would ask for you to attempt fostering. It heals people. Its the best therapy you can get.
Some places have fostering with intent to adopt which is way cheaper than surrogacy, but more emotionally fraught (both depending on the kids situation/state of mind, and the risk/chance that they are reunited with their own family before adoption goes through).
If you want actual, specific, resources you probably need to specify where you live.
It's probably not easy or cheap, but my assumption is that any dude who wants to be a parent enough to do it solo have probably thought it through well, and it sounds like you've had some experience and will likely be an involved parent so I'm rooting for you.
Make sure you read to them every single night before bed (even when they're old enough to read themselves), and eat dinner together every day with no screens allowed, and give lots of hugs and kisses and 'I love you's even when they've been bad, and you'll do great.
Thanks. I hope to do this in California if my plans come to fruition. Raising these kids, yeah, I've learnt a lot about them, and myself. I'm terribly far from being perfect with them, but as you mentioned, reading to them, loving them and eating with them happens pretty often and works. Once they feel safe, are well fed and nurtured, and entertained, they are pretty cool kids.
I have been thinking about this for two years, but I was pretty scared to go beyond thinking because in my own society, there is social stigma around this. But I'm done with all that. I will be judged for being single, I will be judged for being a single father, I will be judged for being a divorced father, I will always be judged. I'm over that. I just want my life, and a family, and if this is how it happens, so be it.
If you live in a state that allows single men to foster and adopt, that is one possibility.
And yes I'm sure paid surrogates can work with single guys. There are agencies for those.
Good luck to you.
Yeah OP is giving incel and should get therapy rather than a kid lol
I doubt you'd say something so repulsive about a single woman that wanted kids 🙄
Conservatives say that all the time. They blame them for overutilizing food stamps in particular. Campaigning against single mothers keeping their children away from their fathers been one of their main arguments against social services for literal decades.
I would if they framed it like this. I find all genders of incels equally repulsive though admittedly I do think life is more unjust thus my judgement is more lenient.
If you can't handle a partner, you absolutely cannot handle being a parent: I assure you it is orders of magnitude more difficult and you can't just bail like you could in a relationship.
I'm already raising 3 kids.
wants to be a father
raising 3 kids

I think you need to read through the rest of the posts. You are missing quite a bit.
What is the difference, dude? If you are raising kids, just because they biologically didn't come from your sperm doesn't mean they aren't effectively your children now. Or are you one of those step dads who doesn't consider their children to be their real kids???
It sounds like you already are a father...
I am a guardian. That arrangement is coming to an end. It was meant to be temporary, and that is now happening. I am moving to a different state across the country once that comes to an end. This is what I am thinking after ending this part of my life. I hope you explore the rest of the post to learn more.
I read a fair amount of your comments, but did not see details about you moving away and the guardianship ending.
You keep responding messages like this to people. Put all of the relevant information in the OP. Excluding massive key details and expecting everyone to stalk your profile until they know every detail about you is not reasonable for conversation.
I'm not being unreasonable, but here we are, so let me make this easy.
moving to California... coming to an end...
The guardianship is ending cause the legal processes around the welfare of the children is coming to an end, around the time my legal issue is expected to end. Two separate legal processes. The children are my niece and two nephews. However, remember that all I wanted to know was how this process of becoming a dad with a donor situation could potentially work. I did not expect this would morph into all of this.
Yeah, I don't think it's GreenKnight23 who is "missing quite a bit"...
I hope for the sake of these hypothetical kids that you're just trolling here, otherwise, wtf?
Edit: Everybody downvoting this should go read the other comments he posted first.
There's a whole business around surrogacy. It's a moral and legal gray zone - in some jurisdictions you can't eventually adopt a child alone as a man.
It's expensive, too. You're paying for the procedure, for the surrogates time and health care - and there are still no guarantees that you'll end up with a child. Expect ~$100-150k if you're willing to travel to exploit a woman in a third world country.
And a newborn/toddler is no walk in the park. Expect about two years of lost work.
Are you even in a financial position where this is feasible?
Sort of things I was hoping to hear. No, I'm not going to exploit a 3rd world person for anything. I came up in a 3rd world country, so just no. Professionally, I am doing alright, a year or two ago, I could not afford a McDonalds burger now, I'm received 5% gross from a logistics company that I did a project for and signed up for a %age of the action in lieu of me supporting them. I do about 10 hours a month for that, works out to around 8k gross and I have two other similar placed projects coming up, so that's looking good.
Been raising kids as I mentioned in another thread, so this isn't exactly new. Not easy, yup, I agree.
The process seems expensive and the information is murky.
Look into cloning yourself.
I don't think you'll find anyone willing to surrogate for you.
I'm not a comparative sort of person, but I've seen people with far greater personal handicaps than my own become parents, I don't judge. Everyone has their own story.
Sure, by bringing children into this world to fulfill your own psychological needs, you are no different than any other parent.
Just putting myself in the head of someone who is willing to surrogate and betting they want to imagine their child growing up in a two-parent home.
I wanted to be a husband and a full time dad. I've tried step 1 and it did not go well. Does that mean I don't qualify for step 2? Also, there are kids who wake up in a two parent home and end up in a single parent home, or in the foster system, or homeless. Doesn't always work out as one intends, best foot forward is the next best alternate in my books.
No worries, man, I'm an anti-natalist. I don't think anyone should be brought into this world, so you don't need to justify anything to me.
The question is how you get society to give you a child, and I think you'll have to compete with more traditional family units for the scarce resources of egg & womb. If you want to adopt pre-existing older kids, you'll have less to contend against.
You'll always have the risk of the mother changing mind and keep the kid i think. Children need their mother. Trying to force that life on a child because that's your lifestyle is not selfish, it's psycho.
The whole game around finding someone you actually like has a reason. The resulting child will have traits of both parents. Of course some of our character is due to experience but you underestimate how much of it is imprinted.
So single fathers should just give up their children for adoption (by whom?), because "children need their mother"? Go fuck yourself.
Who said anything about "forcing" a surrogate? Women do it all the time. IIRC many places have laws to protect exactly that situation - if the surrogate mother changes her mind, she may (although there will be financial penalties, as it'sa breach of contract).
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