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[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 268 points 11 months ago (58 children) Every damn power plant is a glorified steam engine permalink fedilink source hideshow 58 child comments replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 158 points 11 months ago (39 children) Except solar. And wind. And hydro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 39 child comments replies: [–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 147 points 11 months ago (11 children) Some solar is also boiling water permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 child) And zapping birds! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago that's why IMHO it's more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago My local solar steam generator was shut down years ago as it was no longer worth testing direct reflector material anymore — even if they had gotten perfect reflectivity they couldn't compete with photovoltaics anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (4 children) Expect for solar, it's all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago Good ol' mill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M137@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that's fucking cool, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 months ago Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago And wind. wind is just the effects of premade steam permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago* (5 children) "Power Plant" won't be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts. And wouldn't that just be solar with extra steps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 10 points 11 months ago (4 children) Hydro also uses steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago (3 children) In liquid form? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago Condensed steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) and fuel cells permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) And waves/tidal, but now we're getting into the really niche types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Isnt hydro in a small part powered by steam just post condensation steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion permalink fedilink source parent [–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago And theoretically a massive proton exchange plant. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 87 points 11 months ago (3 children) We’re living in a steampunk world after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Slovene@feddit.nl 38 points 11 months ago I'm a steampunk girl In a steampunk world It's not a big big thing if you steam me permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child) I'm going to be this person I guess, but the defining trait of steampunk isn't the use of steam alone. It's that energy is transfered by delivering steam to where it's used, rather than using it in-place to crested electricity. This means that steampunk machines operate off of some kind of kinetic energy, rather than electrical energy. Basically, computers (and everything else) are spinning gears, not silicon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 5 points 11 months ago Aaackually... That was a really cool explanation, thank you! permalink fedilink source parent [–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (4 children) Readily available, low boiling point, non corrosive (relatively), and ecologically safe. What more do you want? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago Also a ridiculously high heat capacity. It does make sense. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Molten salt. Lower pressure, higher efficiency, and I believe less reactive in the event of an uh-oh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child) The molten salt is used as the first step. It then makes steam through a heat exchanger. Molten salt is safer next to the actual reactor because water is not a good coolant in case of emergency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (7 children) Hydro isn't. Nor is solar photo voltaic, wind, or tidal, but yeah, nearly everything else is. In a combined-cycle natural gas or diesel plant half of the power generated isn't steam power, but the other half is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago (5 children) Hydro is liquid steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (3 children) aah, but it didn't say steam, it said boiling water. smaller gas generators based on internal combustion engines don't boil water though, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 months ago boiling just makes the water move, hydro just cheats permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Molten ice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 2 points 11 months ago for ccgt it's more like 2/3 for gas turbine, 1/3 for steam turbine split, even more uneven for diesel/steam because diesel exhaust is much colder permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago I watched a video a while ago about a new approach to fusion which uses induction iirc https://youtu.be/uRaQLZaaHWo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hades@feddit.uk 158 points 11 months ago (39 children) Except solar. And wind. And hydro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 39 child comments replies: [–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 147 points 11 months ago (11 children) Some solar is also boiling water permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 child) And zapping birds! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago that's why IMHO it's more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago My local solar steam generator was shut down years ago as it was no longer worth testing direct reflector material anymore — even if they had gotten perfect reflectivity they couldn't compete with photovoltaics anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (4 children) Expect for solar, it's all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago Good ol' mill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M137@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that's fucking cool, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 months ago Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago And wind. wind is just the effects of premade steam permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago* (5 children) "Power Plant" won't be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts. And wouldn't that just be solar with extra steps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 10 points 11 months ago (4 children) Hydro also uses steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago (3 children) In liquid form? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago Condensed steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent [–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) and fuel cells permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) And waves/tidal, but now we're getting into the really niche types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Isnt hydro in a small part powered by steam just post condensation steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion permalink fedilink source parent [–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago And theoretically a massive proton exchange plant. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 147 points 11 months ago (11 children) Some solar is also boiling water permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 child) And zapping birds! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago that's why IMHO it's more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago My local solar steam generator was shut down years ago as it was no longer worth testing direct reflector material anymore — even if they had gotten perfect reflectivity they couldn't compete with photovoltaics anymore permalink fedilink source parent
[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 child) And zapping birds! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago that's why IMHO it's more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago My local solar steam generator was shut down years ago as it was no longer worth testing direct reflector material anymore — even if they had gotten perfect reflectivity they couldn't compete with photovoltaics anymore permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (4 children) Expect for solar, it's all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago Good ol' mill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M137@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that's fucking cool, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 months ago Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago Good ol' mill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M137@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that's fucking cool, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 months ago Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago And wind. wind is just the effects of premade steam permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago* (5 children) "Power Plant" won't be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts. And wouldn't that just be solar with extra steps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago* (5 children) "Power Plant" won't be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts. And wouldn't that just be solar with extra steps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 10 points 11 months ago (4 children) Hydro also uses steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago (3 children) In liquid form? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago Condensed steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hades@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago (3 children) In liquid form? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago Condensed steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a comment that isn't shown here: deleted, from someone you've blocked, or on another page. view the thread from it replies: [–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) and fuel cells permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) And waves/tidal, but now we're getting into the really niche types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) And waves/tidal, but now we're getting into the really niche types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Isnt hydro in a small part powered by steam just post condensation steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago And theoretically a massive proton exchange plant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 87 points 11 months ago (3 children) We’re living in a steampunk world after all permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Slovene@feddit.nl 38 points 11 months ago I'm a steampunk girl In a steampunk world It's not a big big thing if you steam me permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child) I'm going to be this person I guess, but the defining trait of steampunk isn't the use of steam alone. It's that energy is transfered by delivering steam to where it's used, rather than using it in-place to crested electricity. This means that steampunk machines operate off of some kind of kinetic energy, rather than electrical energy. Basically, computers (and everything else) are spinning gears, not silicon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 5 points 11 months ago Aaackually... That was a really cool explanation, thank you! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 38 points 11 months ago I'm a steampunk girl In a steampunk world It's not a big big thing if you steam me permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 11 months ago* (1 child) I'm going to be this person I guess, but the defining trait of steampunk isn't the use of steam alone. It's that energy is transfered by delivering steam to where it's used, rather than using it in-place to crested electricity. This means that steampunk machines operate off of some kind of kinetic energy, rather than electrical energy. Basically, computers (and everything else) are spinning gears, not silicon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 5 points 11 months ago Aaackually... That was a really cool explanation, thank you! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 5 points 11 months ago Aaackually... That was a really cool explanation, thank you! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (4 children) Readily available, low boiling point, non corrosive (relatively), and ecologically safe. What more do you want? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago Also a ridiculously high heat capacity. It does make sense. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Molten salt. Lower pressure, higher efficiency, and I believe less reactive in the event of an uh-oh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child) The molten salt is used as the first step. It then makes steam through a heat exchanger. Molten salt is safer next to the actual reactor because water is not a good coolant in case of emergency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago Also a ridiculously high heat capacity. It does make sense. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago (2 children) Molten salt. Lower pressure, higher efficiency, and I believe less reactive in the event of an uh-oh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child) The molten salt is used as the first step. It then makes steam through a heat exchanger. Molten salt is safer next to the actual reactor because water is not a good coolant in case of emergency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mossberg590@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (1 child) The molten salt is used as the first step. It then makes steam through a heat exchanger. Molten salt is safer next to the actual reactor because water is not a good coolant in case of emergency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (7 children) Hydro isn't. Nor is solar photo voltaic, wind, or tidal, but yeah, nearly everything else is. In a combined-cycle natural gas or diesel plant half of the power generated isn't steam power, but the other half is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago (5 children) Hydro is liquid steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (3 children) aah, but it didn't say steam, it said boiling water. smaller gas generators based on internal combustion engines don't boil water though, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 months ago boiling just makes the water move, hydro just cheats permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Molten ice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 2 points 11 months ago for ccgt it's more like 2/3 for gas turbine, 1/3 for steam turbine split, even more uneven for diesel/steam because diesel exhaust is much colder permalink fedilink source parent
[–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago (5 children) Hydro is liquid steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (3 children) aah, but it didn't say steam, it said boiling water. smaller gas generators based on internal combustion engines don't boil water though, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 months ago boiling just makes the water move, hydro just cheats permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago Molten ice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (3 children) aah, but it didn't say steam, it said boiling water. smaller gas generators based on internal combustion engines don't boil water though, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 months ago boiling just makes the water move, hydro just cheats permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 6 points 11 months ago boiling just makes the water move, hydro just cheats permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 2 points 11 months ago for ccgt it's more like 2/3 for gas turbine, 1/3 for steam turbine split, even more uneven for diesel/steam because diesel exhaust is much colder permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zaphod@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago I watched a video a while ago about a new approach to fusion which uses induction iirc https://youtu.be/uRaQLZaaHWo permalink fedilink source parent