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[–] hades@feddit.uk 158 points 11 months ago (39 children) Except solar. And wind. And hydro. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 39 child comments replies: [–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 147 points 11 months ago (11 children) Some solar is also boiling water permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 child) And zapping birds! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago that's why IMHO it's more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago My local solar steam generator was shut down years ago as it was no longer worth testing direct reflector material anymore — even if they had gotten perfect reflectivity they couldn't compete with photovoltaics anymore permalink fedilink source parent [–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (4 children) Expect for solar, it's all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago Good ol' mill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M137@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that's fucking cool, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 months ago Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 11 months ago you forgot the electrochemical battery permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago And wind. wind is just the effects of premade steam permalink fedilink source parent [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 10 points 11 months ago (4 children) Hydro also uses steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago (3 children) In liquid form? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago Condensed steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) and fuel cells permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) And waves/tidal, but now we're getting into the really niche types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Isnt hydro in a small part powered by steam just post condensation steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion permalink fedilink source parent [–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago And theoretically a massive proton exchange plant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 1 point 11 months ago (8 children) I dunno if "power plant" quite fits for solar and wind. Definitely for Hydro, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago* (5 children) "Power Plant" won't be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts. And wouldn't that just be solar with extra steps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You should look at mitochondria: The power plant of the cell. Runs on a proton-gradient. ATP synthase is essentially a molecular turbine and a generator. oh. a turbine. Damm thing spins ~18000 rpm at medium throttle, pumping out elec- ATP. ATP. Oops.. it's turbines all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago runs on proton gradient So I can launch it from Lutris? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dublet@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) I dunno if “power plant” quite fits for solar and wind Why not? The First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy Cannot Be Created or Destroyed Fossil fuel power plants merely convert chemical energy into another type. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent [–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago Are these really power plants? I thought they were called field or farm or something else permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 147 points 11 months ago (11 children) Some solar is also boiling water permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent [–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 child) And zapping birds! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago that's why IMHO it's more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago My local solar steam generator was shut down years ago as it was no longer worth testing direct reflector material anymore — even if they had gotten perfect reflectivity they couldn't compete with photovoltaics anymore permalink fedilink source parent
[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 57 points 11 months ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent [–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children) Isn't salt like the main bees knees these days? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago I don't know, but the Ivanpah solar power station near Primm NV, which is a set of three molten salt towers is reportedly getting decommissioned, removed, and replaced with PV panels. Word is PV technology had improved in efficiency and stopped in cost enough that the whole molten salt thing is no longer economically viable, at least in comparison. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BandanaBug@piefed.social 4 points 11 months ago I'm assuming ceramics to the rescue? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 months ago :D Something all the way down something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago And some fusion is direct to current in coils. The z-pinch style approaches mainly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 child) And zapping birds! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago They did fix that pretty quickly, but what a classic mad scientist blunder that would turn a well meaning researcher into a villain in any action hero film. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 months ago that's why IMHO it's more important to classify the core coupling mechanism (e.g. photoelectric effect, electromagnetic effect) instead of classifying the total energy in -> energy out types. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 11 months ago My local solar steam generator was shut down years ago as it was no longer worth testing direct reflector material anymore — even if they had gotten perfect reflectivity they couldn't compete with photovoltaics anymore permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 40 points 11 months ago (4 children) Expect for solar, it's all just flowy stuff through spinny stuff: wind, water, steam. GRAAAAAAAAAA permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago Good ol' mill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] M137@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that's fucking cool, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 months ago Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff permalink fedilink source parent [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 11 months ago you forgot the electrochemical battery permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 19 points 11 months ago Good ol' mill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M137@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago Spinny stuff is basically the universe on all scales, so it makes sense. And that's fucking cool, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 11 months ago Solar is very tiny flowy stuff through very tiny spinny stuff permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 11 months ago you forgot the electrochemical battery permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago And wind. wind is just the effects of premade steam permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 10 points 11 months ago (4 children) Hydro also uses steam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago (3 children) In liquid form? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago Condensed steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hades@feddit.uk 22 points 11 months ago (3 children) In liquid form? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago Condensed steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 18 points 11 months ago (1 child) It's still the same turbine shit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago It’s all turbines, but quite dissimilar turbines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 11 months ago (2 children) and fuel cells permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) And waves/tidal, but now we're getting into the really niche types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 child) And waves/tidal, but now we're getting into the really niche types. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hades@feddit.uk 3 points 11 months ago i knew i was forgetting something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) Isnt hydro in a small part powered by steam just post condensation steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 months ago I do enjoy a nice glass of post condensation steam on occasion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago And theoretically a massive proton exchange plant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 1 point 11 months ago (8 children) I dunno if "power plant" quite fits for solar and wind. Definitely for Hydro, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago* (5 children) "Power Plant" won't be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts. And wouldn't that just be solar with extra steps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You should look at mitochondria: The power plant of the cell. Runs on a proton-gradient. ATP synthase is essentially a molecular turbine and a generator. oh. a turbine. Damm thing spins ~18000 rpm at medium throttle, pumping out elec- ATP. ATP. Oops.. it's turbines all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago runs on proton gradient So I can launch it from Lutris? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dublet@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) I dunno if “power plant” quite fits for solar and wind Why not? The First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy Cannot Be Created or Destroyed Fossil fuel power plants merely convert chemical energy into another type. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 12 points 11 months ago* (5 children) "Power Plant" won't be a fitting term until we can generate electricity (at a viable scale) from chloroplasts. And wouldn't that just be solar with extra steps? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent [–] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You should look at mitochondria: The power plant of the cell. Runs on a proton-gradient. ATP synthase is essentially a molecular turbine and a generator. oh. a turbine. Damm thing spins ~18000 rpm at medium throttle, pumping out elec- ATP. ATP. Oops.. it's turbines all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago runs on proton gradient So I can launch it from Lutris? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 11 months ago fun fact: chloroplasts generate an electric potential across the cell membrane during photosynthesis. essentially, they have membrane proteins in their chloroplast membranes that push electrons from one side of the membrane to the other side whenever a photon hits the protein. It's essentially a natural photovoltaic cell. That electric potential is then used to create ATP in nature, while we just directly extract the electrical power through cables. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 child) Even better if you can use it to power a humanoid robot for a real world plant golem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 months ago Isn't that the goal? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 1 point 11 months ago (1 child) You should look at mitochondria: The power plant of the cell. Runs on a proton-gradient. ATP synthase is essentially a molecular turbine and a generator. oh. a turbine. Damm thing spins ~18000 rpm at medium throttle, pumping out elec- ATP. ATP. Oops.. it's turbines all the way down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago runs on proton gradient So I can launch it from Lutris? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago runs on proton gradient So I can launch it from Lutris? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dublet@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 child) I dunno if “power plant” quite fits for solar and wind Why not? The First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy Cannot Be Created or Destroyed Fossil fuel power plants merely convert chemical energy into another type. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JakenVeina@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago Just that "power plant" I think most people associate with large enclosed facilities that house power generating equipment, which doesn't quite describe wind and solar farms. Hence that most people refer to them as "farms". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 1 point 11 months ago Are these really power plants? I thought they were called field or farm or something else permalink fedilink source parent