Let that be a lesson. If you're going to get arrested for protesting against ICE, you may as well start killing them. It's the same punishment anyway.
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Something's missing. Setting aside the 1 person who was violent. A jury of their peers convicted of others for what amounts to minor vandalism, and the sentence was decades in prison? Has the system completely failed citizens standing up for what's right?
It’s completely insane. I know that prison terms are decided by the judges (within the windows of their charges), but I cannot for the life of me believe that 8 or however many ‘impartial’ jurors decided that terrorism charges for 50, 70, and 100 years were OK. There’s just no fucking way.
A murder charge gets you at max 99 years in Texas. The guy who shot the officer didn’t even kill him. There’s evidence that was withheld from the court that the officer drew first.
I cannot believe so many people in this country and around the world are OK with outright tyranny. I might as well be a separate species than them
Last time I served on a jury they didn’t tell us what the sentence would be and also said we can’t take sentencing or sympathy into account.
Aren't you an imperial project since you settled in 1416?
What country are you talking about, the Spanish colonization, or the British one?
I'm not seeing 1416 being referenced in either of those.
Settlements started prior to colonization. Which is why I am asking for precision on “OK with outright tyranny.”
Need to know Upvoters’ flavors.
What are you talking about, shut up dude. Yeah, the Americas were colonized and shouldn’t have. What does that have to do with fucking anything about this
Oh shut the fuck up.
Just block the dumb fuck. There are a few accounts that I'm not convinced aren't the same person. Every post they spam dumbass shit like this that's not at all relevant to the discussion. They use the forum to just talk shit about stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. Best to just not engage and block.
Honestly, when they're this open and stupid about it, I prefer that because it's easier to pick out bad actors for the blocking.
You genuinely sound like a clown, even if your anti colonialist stance is correct. Please for the good of the species, just stop talking.
That requires enough of the citizens to not be absolute sheep. The loudest most confident people are often some of the dumbest and unfortunately most influential. Even on juries.
One got 100 years?
WTAF? So, these guys get harsh sentences, but the terrorists that assaulted the Capitol are treated as "patriots" by the asshats sitting in the WH right now?
This country is so fucked.
It’s always been like this. The fbi and cia hunted down the civil rights leaders and the vast majority of the kkk and southern lunch mob terrorists we’re able to hold positions of power with zero consequences. The only time the working class and oppressed minority groups were ever able to gain rights and privileges was through force and overwhelming multilateral solidarity.
southern lunch mob
Mmmmmm...
Oh boy that is a good story. Let me tell you a different one. The only reason we have the privileges we have today is because some wealthy people still think it matters. Change happens through convincing wealthy people to allow it.
France, who is far more violent than the US, freaked the fuck out when pension age was raised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_French_pension_reform_strikes
Results? Absolutely nothing.
People like to talk big and say civilization is only a couple of missed meals away from a revolution. The truth is the Great Depression in the US lasted over ten years and even as late as WWII 40% of men were turned away for malnourishment. Guess what? No revolution.
There is not going to be some magical point people will fight back and get their rights, that is just not how it works.
Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_violence_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Coalfield_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States
You are under the assumption that the rich are being forced. They aren't.
Has the plight of working class turned some wealthy people's ears that eventually afforded them some rights? Sure.
Can these rights be revoked at the wealthy's whim? Certainly.
If you think organizing the poors is going to solve our problems you are in for a rude awakening.
There are certainly things we can do, but the least effective is going to be what you fantasize about.
A multilateral approach to revolution consisting of several factions statistically is the best approach to a successful revolution
Yeah, I was just pointing out the one thing you profess is the least likely to affect change in our modern world.
Needless to say you need to work on the other factions as you put it.
There’s plenty of factions currently fighting fascism but we do need some armed resistance groups. It’s coming. Writing is on the wall. We all better hope it is because the pedophile class you clearly believe has morals is bringing their genocide and total mass surveillance here. Maybe you can ask them nicely to care about us and you won’t have to watch your mother die while not being able to access healthcare for her like I did.
You are not fighting fascism, full stop. Fascism fucking won and you are delusional. I think you may mean you are fighting neo authoritarianism in the US. If so, I agree. I think the concept of these modern day kings like Trump, Thiel, Bezos, Cook, Zuck and Elon are repulsive.
The US is fascism, if you stabbed us we would bleed fascism. We spread it to every part of the globe. Fascism won. You remember the WTO riots?
You sound like a QAnon wacko with your pedophile talk. We already know AOTUS is a child pimp. I think the wealthy are kind of rubbing it in our faces to be honest.
At any rate, I think my point stands. It doesn't all boil down to force to affect change and in fact besides the Haitian revolution there hasn't actually been a revolutionary revolution in a very long time. Also, we see how Haiti turned out with one of the biggest wealth gaps in the world.
It is almost like a near universal increasing wealth gap around the world would be telling you something. Perhaps who is in charge?
Now we know the kinds of sentences to hand down when we re-try the Jan 6 Insurrectionists.
While deserving, this would require violating our own laws.
We cannot cut down all the trees to find the devil Mr. roper.
This reeks of "when they go low we go high," laws can and will be changed. Odd to quote Threes Company but good show regardless of the qualms about doing the necessary to get this nation survivable again
It’s from A Man for All Seasons, a play that illustrates the importance of the rule of law.
William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”
Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”
William Roper: “Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!”
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!
Hopefully they will be pardoned once we purge
Fascism.
Elect a Democrat and pardon them all like Traitor Trump did for 1,500 insurrectionists.
The democrat is more likely to issue blanket pardons to trump and company in hopes of “moving forward” in a spirit of bipartisan good will.
Biden pardoned the kids for cash judge.
It's not left vs right, it's the global corporatists vs a very divided 'everyone else.'
They literally shot an ar15 at the cop... And it connected.
Only if by "cop" you mean "subhuman gestapo thug about to murder people for exercising their free speech rights."
Only after the jackboot pointed a loaded weapon at innocent people. You don’t point a gun at someone unless you intend to kill them. That hero saved innocent lives.
“antifa”, which is not an organization but rather a constellation of leftwing views.
Sorry, being anti fascist is not leftist. It's everything other than being on the far right
Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.
A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
Woah.
The USA is a Nazi occupied state and all who support the current regime are complicit in its actions
Fortunately there's very few that support Trump. And it's always been a small minority
And with that, it's complete. The United States is not dying - it's dead. The government is under the control of open fascists, the rule of law is a thing of the past, democracy is dead and the Constitution has been wadded up and thrown away.
They'll be bulldozing corpses into mass graves before long.
They’ll be bulldozing corpses into mass graves before long.
Already are just not in plain sight yet
My ancestors/people would take issue with that. They've been found in mass graves in the US and Canada for decades upon decades. Camps and mass graves are always the ultimate resort of the state. Every continent, every era. Generally the average person is safe enough to not have to worry about finding themselves in one. Surely the state would never turn on them to serve itself. Surely.
The United States is not dying - it’s dead.
A country that has been doing this since it's inception is not dead because it continues to do this thing.
Wish it would die, but the Fascist States of Amerikkka grind on atop the bones of the honest, innocent, and good.
I often wonder what happened to the 1200 people that they "lost track of" at Alligator Auschwitz.
edit: source: https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/25/alligator_alcatraz
Daily reminder that not everything you feel needs to be put into messages or posted on the internet. Practice good OPSEC if you're participating in any sort of lawful gathering. Your freedom of speech extends to what you choose not to say.
Good! The LAST thing we Want is to Set the Precedent that Using your First Amendment Right gives you LESS Jail Time then MURDER!
Good news! The President only just recently set aside $1.8b worth of taxpayer dollars just for the defense of people who were unfairly prosecuted by the governm-- oh, shit... The fine print here says here that money's only available if you're THE perfectly Instagramable PR show-dog for the current administration and their anti-democratic, fascist shit-show.
Well, you know, when tyranny becomes law...
Huh, the article doesn't mention how many years the officer who almost shot the unarmed protestors got..
Well, if exersing your First Amendment rights gets you fifty years, might as well exercise your Second Amendment rights...
This is preposterous. The outcome is entirely disproportionate.
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