I still can't get over The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Are there any games that can replace it? I want to try something newer, with better technology, but I hope they can be as rich and interesting as Skyrim.

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[–] 53 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Telling people what in particular you like about Skyrim is going to get you much better feedback as there are many, many games that are similar in some ways but not others.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I'm just looking for a game where I can hoard consumables in perpetuity. Any suggestions?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The crab monacle mod 🦀🦀

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I like the scripting language? It's stupid easy to edit the bytecode and change something if you want to without needing a full dev environment.

    Edit: honorable mention for worst scripting language in a game: X4. Have you seen a for loop in a xml-like "markup" language? Would you like to?

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  • [–] 74 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Have you tried Skyrim: Anniversary Edition, Skyrim: Special Edition or Skyrim: Legendary edition? /j

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    skyrim with kinect was genuinely the best version

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Love the idea that you can actually scream the shouts :D

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Oh man, have you heard of Dragonborn Speaks Naturally? You can scream the shouts, for sure, but you actually say the lines of dialogue your character speaks to NPCs to select them! Paired with VR (and a hundred other mods) it’s one of the craziest game experiences I’ve ever played!

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    For me it was Witcher 3 and the dlc. Love that game so much..

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  • [–] 66 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Witcher 3. That castle ruin over there? Might have some loot. Or a Cockatrice. Or a psychological horror story of 10 parts. Or nothing at all, who knows. And you might stumble over Excalibur by that lake.

    Also get the "Blood and Wine" DLC, absolutely worth it, even if you're not into the story. And the HD Reworked mod if you like it more realistic and dark, one of the best reworks ever.

    Edit: there's now Next Gen too, huh.

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  • [–] 46 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    This might just be too obvious, but nobody's mentioned it... Have you played the other Elder Scrolls, like the Oblivion remaster?

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The Oblivion remaster is great. If you can get past the terrible performance, it's very immersive and feels like Skyrim with a smaller world and more fun quests. The DLC included was also great.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    It really was! It was available for free on Gamepass, so even though I'd already done SO many playthroughs, I thought I'd check it out. I didn't put it down until I had done almost literally everything.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I thought I was the only person who enjoyed the remaster. I got it for PS5 instead of PC because I wasn’t sure my PC could handle it, and it ran very smooth for me. I know some people had issues but I put around 80 hours in and never had any problems. I still play the original Oblivion if I wanna play keyboard and mouse but I think I prefer the remaster if I’m just gonna turn off my brain and play for a while.

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  • [–] 83 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Ok you want something as rich and interesting as skyrim, so I'm assuming open world games are your jam.

    There are three games you should play.

    1. Red Dead Redemption 2 - it's a Western, the world is very believable, and it makes you feel like you're really part of it. You can follow the main story line, or you could spend your days hunting and fishing. You could travel from town to town playing every poker game you can find. You can conduct train robberies, breed horses, really, there's just a whole lot to do.

    2. Cyberpunk 2077 - this is RDR2 but in a scifi dystopian future where the corpos own everything, sex is for sale on every billboard and every ad break, and the only justice is what you can achieve on your own. You've got a ticking time bomb in your brain and no time to fuck around. In this world where you can't trust anyone, somehow what really matters are the friends you make along the way. (seriously)

    3. The Witcher 3 - from the same studio that made cyberpunk, the Witcher 3 is truly a masterpiece of storytelling. The one caveat I have for this game is that it starts hard, almost "souls-like". But get past that first rough hour and there is an extremely rich world with a seemingly unending collection of stories to become a part of. This may be the most skyrim-like of the games listed here, but you're in for a treat, because this is a much better game than Skyrim.

    All three of these games are gonna make you feel real feelings, they're all actually better at telling stories than Skyrim is. The Witcher 3 in particular loves to live in the grey zone, it'll make you make ethical choices that matter, and you probably won't like any of the possible outcomes. But this is a good thing!

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Have you played the Fallout games by the same dev? 3, New Vegas, and 4 play very similarly to Skyrim just in a different genre.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    With New Vegas being vastly superior to the others in story and characters.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    Kingdom Come Deliverance 1 was great.

    But it's a Medieval RPG, not fantasy. So you won't find elves or orcs or magic.

    Edit: Actually nevermind, don't play it, it's too strict of an RPG, not for everyone, (i.e. fighting more than 2 people can kill you easily unless you master the combat, using a bow won't give you the center reticle, saving the game needs a specific item or you need to sleep in a bed, wearing a helmet will limit your vision to the shape of the visor, etc)

    I suggested this because my Skyrim was modded to be a strict RPG as well.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    And the sequel is of equal quality, the combat was simplified a bit but I like both approaches.

    The sheer amount of high quality narrative across both games is pretty unique. There's very little that feels like filler busy work, which was what most of skyrim felt like for me. Especially after oblivion.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    All those things you added can be added to Skyrim as well via mods

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah that's what I said, I suggested KCD because I was playing a modded Skyrim.

    If OP wants the feel of vanilla Skyrim, then KCD is not the right choice.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    I can give you older and with worse tech - Morrowind is better than Skyrim

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    morrowind storyline and world building is peak.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (14 children)

    So is Oblivion, though in terms of "better" it belongs in the middle spot it happens to occupy numerically as well.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (13 children)

    Eh, I tried Oblivion, the Cyrodiil seemed to be quite small, while both Morrowind and Skyrim are quite gigantic for their time.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (12 children)

    The expansion helped for sure, Shiv Isles.

    True though it was for sure smaller (unless you ever tried to "no fast travel" rule yourself then you'll find out how big it is real quick lmao), but (and I concede Morrowind is just better, it just is there's no way around it), but while Skyrim was large, effectively "who cares" because it was empty and dull and drab and gray. Cyrodiil is smaller but it's absolutely gorgeous and vibrant throughout (even in the snow covered regions so that's no excuse.)

    Furthermore, my fundamental issue with Skyrim is the quests are just...dull. The main line is ok (Oblivion's was better and Morrowind's better still), but the side quests are abject dogshit, and the side quests historically were my favorite part. I stole a goddamn Elder Scroll, I snuck past every Ancestor Moth, I became the mother fucking Gray Fox, and in skyrim "hey you remember that same dumb silver vase you stole from one dickhead's house? Steal it again from another dickhead's house. Gray Fox? Whodat?" I loosened the bolts on a man's stuffed moose after sneaking through his crawlspace to avoid his paid security, and got a bonus for it, and eventually became The Speaker. In skyrim "go kill that guy. Cool do it again." The most memorable part of The Brotherhood in skyrim was from oblivion, by Lucian Luchance's ghost.

    I'm gonna be real, I kinda didn't like skyrim and don't think I'll get 6. I'll replay the oldies. My only real complaint with Morrowind is beast races can't wear helmets and boots (I understand "human ones wouldn't fit" but think given their existence in-lore it would make sense for them to have seen humans wearing them and gone "hey let's do that for our shape." I do however accept that the Cats and Lizards might still not though, Argonians being newly freed and technologically behind, and the Kitties need their claws but should have helmets, even if only leather.) My only real complaint with Oblivion is I wish they'd have left a bunch of shit from Morrowind like crossbows etc.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Amen brother! After playing Morrowind and Oblivion and then getting Skyrim I was so disappointed. Feels like a mass appeal version of Elder Scrolls that was hollow compared to the other two

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    As someone who started with Skyrim, I still wait for Skywind to release. I honestly tried Morrowind, but for a modern generation of gamers, it's simply unbearable as far as game mechanics, controls, animations etc. go. I stopped straight at Balmora, because I can't get used to it. And OpenMW can't fix all that.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    100% fair! Personally I think Oblivion is better for those reasons too. Morrowind is really magical though, some of those more open systems provide opportunities that modern hand holding systems just can't recreate. It is definitely worth the time to get accustomed too, kind of like acquiring the taste for craft beer or fine wine. Stuff that you originally found offensive might become some of your favorite parts. No map markers so you have to read and follow directions is a good example of that. On the surface, it's a pain compared to modern games. But acquire the taste and suddenly you realize you're paying more attention to the world around you, mentally mapping landmarks. It's really immersive and cool in a way that walk towards this symbol isn't.

    All that to say, your opinion is totally valid haha

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    I actually enjoyed not having quest markers! That gives a sense of discovery that felt fresh and new despite the old roots, and I hope Skywind won't force quest markers on the user (although I also hope they will be added as an optional feature).

    I just want to see things looking and moving more naturally, along with sensible keybinds and more.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    By far. Such a disappointment.

    And Fallout 4 was the same, fight me (probably not you "fight me," I bet you agree based on your TES opinions.)

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    My dude, I did a no fast travel run of Skyrim, so Cyrodiil won't scare me :D

    As per quests - yes, they don't really adapt to your current progress, and that might be a problem for some. It makes sense to complete all sorts of side quests alongside the main one. But still, I kinda like the feeling I can go somewhere and be pretty much no one even though I'm about to slay Alduin. Feels like a breath of fresh air.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I didn’t mind the non-levelling quests so much but, for example, it takes zero time to become the Archmage of Winterhold, but then every magical person outside the college still treats you like a novice who can barely be trusted with a fetch quest. It’s a little immersion-breaking in both directions

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Not even just "they don't adapt," Skyrim's side quests might as well not exist they're so damn boring. "Oohhh a race war" who cares I want to steal cool and varied stuff!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    The "race war" was actually one of the most entertaining parts to me - that's an entire new dimension of struggle besides the main dragon story! Honestly, I think they could handle it better, adding more details, as it's one of the major things we're introduced to early on in the story.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Honestly I'm inclined to agree with that, and that's my problem with it. It shouldn't be the most interesting part but since everything else was so boring it ended up that way.

    The major disappointment was that after III and IV had such rich lore and worlds, but by V they must have fired the guy that could write. Having seen what they could do vs what they released was just sad.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Baldurs gate 3 is not quite the same thing, but has similar themes. You are an adventurer saving the world (most of the time) who collects an inordinate amount of items. It's one of the only other games I have over 800 hours in.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I've heard of this game as well; it's great.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    You should definitely play baldur's gate! Very little resemblance to Skyrim besides being a fantasy game, but the story, build variety, characters, setting, literally everything, is fantastic. I'm almost through my first playthrough of bg3 and it's been tons of fun

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  • [–] 86 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon is on sale on Steam right now. I've only played through the prologue, but it seems pretty good so far.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    I was about to recommend this too. Probably the closest thing to Elder Scrolls that isn't actually Elder Scrolls or a mod. Excellent game, and quite an impressive achievement considering it's an indie developer with nowhere near the budget of a Bethesda game.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I am curious about this one - what’s combat like? I’m pretty picky when it comes to mechanics.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Somewhat similar to Skyrim combat with the addition of parrying, dodging, and quick-swap hotkey consumables like potions, throwable potions (called splashes), throwing knives, food, and weapon oils (flame, frost, poison). I think magic combat is much better than Skyrim. Spells have light and heavy attack options, and you can wield any combination of spells and weapons (other than if you have a 2 handed weapon). You can have up to 4 sets of magic and/or weapons in your inventory slots to quickly swap between. Stealth combat is more difficult than Skyrim. Sneaking close to enemies requires more situational awareness, and the stealth skills aren't as overpowered as Skyrim.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    A bit absurd, in my limited experience. I did a bow with a one-handed rapier-like sword and a parrying dagger in my one playthrough so far. The bow was irritating to aim and arrow flight seems weirdly inconsistent on distance, but when it lands it’s about as overpowered as sneak archery in Skyrim.

    The parrying is similarly strong — enemies could kill me if I wasn’t paying attention, but you can parry the majority of attacks, including things that seem impossible, like parrying a bear biting you, and the parrying dagger’s window is overly forgiving and overly spammable to the point that I had to stop myself from using it sometimes. I think parrying with other weapons is less silly, but I didn’t mess with them enough.

    I also didn’t try the magic, so someone else can pick that part up, but it looked pretty extensive.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    It's very Souls-inspired, but (as someone who has played a good number of souls games) it's done fairly poorly. It's still far more interactive than TES games, but it's clunky. It's not bad, just bad compared to the Souls games, which are particularly good, but the rest of the game is quite different from a souls game. It's basically if you take the bonfires and combat system from a souls game and stick it in a narrative focused RPG.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Hm as someone who holds Fromsoft mechanics as the standard for gaming it sounds like this might be a game I'll either love or I'll hate. Definitely love the idea of having the rest of the game different from Soulslikes. But if combat isn't tight it's likely I'll bounce off of it or slog through just to see the end. I could hardly get myself to finish Witcher 3 even though I loved everything about it except the combat.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    It's worth a shot. You can get it pretty cheap sometimes. Honestly though, yeah, I think it's probably better for people who haven't played many souls-likes. For me, it feels clunky and super easy to cheese because I'm used to what it's trying to do, and I know to use the mechanics to my advantage. I spent a good few hours with it, but eventually stopped playing. I didn't dislike it, but I put it down one day and then never had the interest of coming back.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    On hard difficulty, it feels like soulslike / tes mixup. The combat is dynamic and most enemies of your level would hit hard, but blocks, dodges and dashes are there.

    But on the other hand, more things can be improved with gear and level to absurd proportions, like improve iframes on dodge or extend parry window to like more than half a sec.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    In addition to what everyone else said, the summons are pretty cool, as well. You can summon multiples of a creature as well as direct them all to attack a specific enemy if there's one fucker in a group that needs a jumping, and you can consume your summoned creatures to regain mana (or health, it's been a while since I played last and I can't remember exactly.)

    There's also a spell that causes targets to explode into cheese. And it works on your summons. So, infinite cheese is neat, I suppose

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Looks interesting, anyone knows if it can run on Linux?

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Depends on what you actually want. If it's the first-person RPG experience, there's a handful such as Tainted Grail and Cyberpunk 2077. If it's using a slightly different system or closer to traditional RPG, either the Witcher or BG3 or Expedition 33.

    But modding... I cannot find any other RPG that gets better if it is modded, as Skyrim -- and Morrowind and Oblivion -- pretty much designed to be modded.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    Red Dead Redemption 2

    Witcher 3

    Kingdom Come Deliverance

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I was so disappointed with a Witcher game. I forget which one it was, but good god, what a bore the intro is.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The first two were super janky. 3 is one of the best video games ever made.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The first game is glacial, but I found the 2nd game moved along pretty well even from the beginning.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    2 is my favourite, but I know some people bounce off of the combat hard because you've got to keep rhythm, not mash as well as all of the preparation you should do beforehand that can give you a better chance in the fight. For me though, that's why I prefer it over 3.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    Have you looked at the gothic remake? It's probably not as big but it should scratch a similar itch. But it's not as free form, you're playing as a set (male) nameless hero.

    Otherwise... no not really. I could recommend wildly different games and genres that also feature exploration, but skyrim is just very good.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    How is Gothic remake mechanically? Like, are the controls modernized too? What about difficulty, did it drop?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    Heavily depends on what makes Skyrim special for you.

    The most obvious similar games are other Bethesda titles, especially Oblivion and Morrowind. Install some QoL and graphical mods, and you should now have 3 Skyrims.

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