cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/47107360

Google is making its Search more centred around AI, turning it into a conversation.

Besides being a worse experience, the websites from which it sources its information are losing all traffic and recognition.

Recommend a list of alternatives:

  • Kagi - Paid but better experience than Google
  • Ecosia - Similar experience while supporting a good cause
  • Qwant - Increasingly unique results and building a EU-first index
  • DuckDuckGo - Privacy-focused search, but quality of results may vary

More options: https://purchasewithpurpose.io/category/search-engine/

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[–] 98 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

Google Search has long since diminished from it's peak. 15 years ago we used to play a "game" by describing something as vaguely or strangely as possible and would be entertained to find it still on the first page of search results.

SEO and paid ranking caused a steady decline in Google search performance, and LLMs are the kill shot.

Indexing and ranking were already a solved problem, and conventional algorithms accomplished it much better than LLMs do. Unfortunately, LLMs need to find uses to justify investment, so now they must be used for any task that they can be used for, even if its worse than the solutions that we already had.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The other factor is companies, interests, paying the Google and their ilk to not include things in search results. And only include what they choose as an alternative.

    Then you might have different interests gaming the search results to bury something they don't like.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This is only amplified by LLMs

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    At the moment, I do find that the LLMs bring me more of what I want to see than the basic search engine used to a few years back... 15-20 years ago the basic search engine seemed to be much better then slowly deteriorated from there.

    I have confidence, they'll sell this version to the highest bidder faster than they did the last one, then it will be just as bad as listening to radio advertisements as a way to find a good local restaurant to eat at...

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    I wouldn’t know because I mainly use DuckDuckGo and haven’t had a reason to use Google in a long time.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    DuckDuckGo is just Microslop Bing with a different front-end.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, whatever bias and censorship Micro$lop’s search index has, except supposedly without the tracking. It’s a step up from Google and Bing, but not the perfect solution.

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Ugh, damn post title. I went through the whole article looking for the alternatives before realizing the title of the article says nothing about alternatives.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    SearXNG. I will never understand why it doesn’t get used more. It is so easy to set up.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    are you aware of any instances that have lasted longer than a few months?

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago*

    I have it set up on my own home server. Before that, I had it set up on individual PCs. It's super easy. I guess you mean public instances. I've never used one because it is so easy to set up for yourself.

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  • [–] 41 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Google search as I know it shit the bed over a decade ago.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, it's so tiring. Search for something, entire first page is useless aggregator sites, containing nothing about the actual topic other than keywords. Waste of time

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Agreed, and for the moment the "AI experience" is better than what Google Search was a couple of years ago... but I have faith, they'll sell this one out too, after all: users are the product.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    That is the point. Search is free. You will be paying for ai soon. If you don't then you'll get the low-quality results. This is nothing more than greed. They were making lots of money with search, but like everything in the modern world, businesses only exist now to extinguish what was free or a good value and sell the same thing back at an extreme markup.

    Furniture was made of wood. Now it's mostly disposable composite junk. Wood, now commands a high premium.

    Household goods like toasters, irons, lamps, sofas were all at one point made to be durable. Many people would buy these things and maybe replace them every 15-20 years. Now the same stuff lasts five if you're lucky.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    paying for ai soon. If you don’t then you’ll get the low-quality results.

    That is already the reality.

    I frequently point out that "Organic" food is basically what we got as normal food in 1972.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    google being useful for search has been over for at least a decade

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    Cool concept; really, REALLY dumb name.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    If I wanted a conversation I wouldn't be using a search engine to get answers.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago*

    Capitalism sucks:

    • Private property fetishism (erodes the commons)
    • Free market fundamentalism (prioritizes the freedoms of the biggest asset holders over the rest)
    • Accumulationism (incentivizes hoarding far beyond where most people would have liked to stop hoarding if the system didn't demand it)
    • Consolidationism leading into economic royalism (mergers leading to monopolies, oligopolies, monopsonies, a two-tiered "justice" system, rules for thee but not for me)
    • Transactionalism (no sense of society or priciples, but instead a system of backscratching where things only get done for their exchange value and for no other reason)
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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago*

    I degoogled as a Covid project. Mostly it just made me feel a little bit better... and then GenAI hit. Hopefully I'll go my whole life without ever having used Gemini. And hopefully, if they ingested any of my pre-pandemic emails, photos, docs, etc to train with, pulling it out of cold storage will at least have cost them extra time and money.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago*

    Ecosia

    Startpage

    DDG

    Qwant

    Brave Search

    Even Yandex actually doesnt suck, if you're cool to use it.

    Anyone still using Google needs to be in a home.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Kagi and Startpage are my go-to search engines these days.
    I have a paid Kagi account and feel it is very much worth the investment.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I've used both Ecosia and Kagi and find the former gives me too many irrelevant results compared to Kagi. Recently though Kagi has been giving me some funky results but it doesn't happen very often.

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    [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    Eu-first index, you say? I might wanna check that out!

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I haven't used Google search since 2008, when I starting using Linux and Duckduckgo was the default search engine for Firefox.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    is that as profitable as search?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    I use Vivaldi with Startpage instead of Chrome, etc; because I hate getting the AI results that are wrong half the time because they pull off of what some idiot on Reddit said (or just hallucinate)

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Been a kagi subscriber for about a year now. Right when they wer implementing ai overview. It’s been a very refreshing way to internet

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Is searching with -AI not going to work?

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah I don't think that one will go over well with the current wording on their FAQ.

    Frequently asked questions What is this? This is a metasearch engine that gets results from other engines, and strips away all of the tracking parameters and Microsoft/globohomo bullshit they add. Most of the other alternatives to Google jack themselves off about being ""privacy respecting"" or whatever the fuck but it always turns out to be a total lie, and I just got fed up with their shit honestly. Alternatives like Searx or YaCy all fucking sucks so I made my own thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like a straight shooter to me. What's not to like?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    'globohomo bullshit' doesn't strike you as a red flag?

    Maybe they are trying to 'take back' a bigoted term, but I don't get that feeling. Especially since the vast majority of people using that term are shithead chuds.

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