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[–] 72 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Seeing how incohrrent and fractured humanity is, we'd meet them with a jumbled mix of:

  • Rabid xenophobia
  • Aggressively trying to convert them to a dozen of our different religions
  • Forming multiple cults worshipping them as gods
  • Creating a shit load of really weird rule 34 AI-generated porn focused on them
  • Dismissing their existence as some sort of a deep fake conspiracy
  • Trying to sell them some worthless shit for a massive profit
  • Trying to sell them fellow humans as slaves
  • Trying to steal their technology to conquer the galaxy
  • Flooding then with brainrot memes for the lolz
  • Trying to destroy them with conventional weapons

And they would see all this and either destroy us in disgust or get the hell out of the solar system ASAP and cordon it off with hazard signs.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Given that they have the means to have travelled from another world (presumably from outside the Solar System, as there are no signs of space colonising extraterrestrials in our neighbourhood we can observe), they must be technologically far superior to us. My guess is that they would treat us, little guys on a blue marble, like we do with ants.

    Although ants have a very intricate way of life, with jobs, conflict, infrastructure, etc., most humans don't put too much thought into keeping them safe, we trample on their cities that we say are primitive compared to our own, and we export some ants to new worlds. Additionally, even among our own species, colonialism was commonplace in all parts of the world throughout the world and its remnants still exists today, as one group of people believed they were superior to another.

    Intelligent extraterrestrials capable of interplanetary (and probably interstellar) travel would definitely outclass us in every metric, and they could easily wipe us out, either by accident or on purpose (through disease, conflict, colonisation, etc.)

    However, I hope that these extraterrestrials eventually acknowledge our existence as a civilisation. A little like how there are entomologists who study ants for a living and conservationists who preserve their habitats. Or perhaps organisations like UNESCO, in charge of protecting dying cultures and lost traditions, could be formed by these extraterrestrials. Maybe treaties of reparations and acknowledgement of past crimes would be signed between our species, like how many countries do today.

    That's just my thoughts though.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I would assume that it would take a lot of stability to reach a technology level compatible with interstellar travel. It would be only achievable for a specie that reached a very peaceful way of life. So I would assume they would be rather benevolent and avoid any accidental wipeout.

    Now would they care at all… maybe as scholars of the universe ?

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    If they came to us it would not be for the resources on earth, there are plenty more in space easier to get. I think it would be curiosity. They would study us, and probably all life on the planet.

    Hopefully with curiosity comes empathy and they uplift us.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Also could just be determined exterminators or want to diversify diet.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Exterminators could just throw a rock at 0.1c no need to land.

    Diet though, reminds me of the Peter Jackson masterpiece, Bad Taste.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes but Not landing means they have no love for the game. You cant spell slaughter without laughter and it funnier to see it all happen on world. Plus who knows how long until next purge. Sometimes you have to handicap your self to enjoy the game against inferior opponent.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Perhaps they're after the resources which aren't so common elsewhere, like oxygen. Maybe they would turn Earth into an oxygen farm.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Wood. Hard wood usable for building hasn't evolved anywhere else in the known galaxy. Fine wooden furniture imported from Earth. The Amazon is being cut down and exported to alien worlds.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Trump will post on Truth that we had a war and we won.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    boom

    But seriously though, it depends on the type of aliens we’re encountering here. If they’re malevolent, they will probably wipe the earth clean and take all the resources.

    If they’re more benevolent, they’ll just take pity on us, and turn back. Humanity is a problem that will fix itself if you just give it some time.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    War, then our extermination.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think in the event of war, it would be about as long as the time it takes for us to announce the war until it's over. The technology to freely planet hop from another solar system is like the large hadron collider vs an ant using a leaf to cross a puddle.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    A little bit of pee comes out.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Die of some random common illness we don't have any antibodies for.

    Hopefully a species advanced enough to master interstellar travel would be mindful of that kind of thing though. I suppose at least they would probably be protecting themselves against that, so maybe it would go both ways?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Our strongest EMP rays did nothing to them, but in the end they succumbed to a simple stick.

    There is also just the possibility that their common illness affects something biologically they possess that we do not.

    I too hope the protections would go both ways. I guess it depends if whatever they'd exhaust is toxic to us

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I've heard that carbon is not necessarily the best basis for self replicating structures. Silicon is able to form a lot of similarly complex bonds that carbon is with a similar chain of reactions to our own. I don't know if another life form from the ground up would even have diseases, although I guess cancer is pretty likely in any self replicating system due to cosmic rays. That would make it pretty hard to space travel though, one would expect their repair mechanisms to far excel beyond the durability of our own, which is actually pretty crap and easily confused with symmetrical DNA chains, excessive damage, repeating sequences, etc. There are other animals on earth that have better repair systems in place than us allowing them to live virtually forever, but none are mammals. Biological Immortality Wiki

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    Trying to overcome language barriers, probably.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Do you mean like if an alien just showed up on my doorstep and was like, "take me to your leader"? Because I would ask, "How about we just chill here for a bit?" because nothing good is going to come from the next part.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    Okay but whatever the case, please remember that Barack Obama volunteered to be the emissary for such an event. So if an alien shows up at your doorstep please contact Barack obama.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago

    One group will sell out the rest of us, guaranteed.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    A breakdown in society as people report it as hoaxes, missinformation spreading everywhere, religious groups fragmenting over if they prove or disprove their gods existence. The same bullshit whenever world shaking event happens.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    They would be sick of our shit in 5 minutes

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Something similar to what happened to india or Indonesia when the British/ Dutch showed up

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago

    Within less than an hour, Rule 34 will come into effect and someone will make a porn-film about them.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Or they try to kill us.

    But also possibly convert us.

    Then try to kill us.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    If a civilization has the kind of power to reach us, we wouldn't pose any problem at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t try to kill us. Options include:

    1. it’s possible they have cultural reasons (genocidal xenophobia, paranoia.

    2. they find us annoying

    3. we’re just in the way.

    4. they don’t even notice us and they’re xenoforming Earth.

    5. they’d rather hang with the whales

    One thing is certain, though. The only thing special about earth is the life it holds. (Not that it has life, just that that life is unique.) so if they do show up it’s almost certainly not going to be covertly.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You clearly haven’t watched Star Trek. /s

    The aliens could be coming here covertly to observe us like a nature documentary. They may even have non-interference rules for primitive cultures. Or maybe they’re just shy.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    physics is a bitch.

    Voyager 1 is likely going to be the first probe of human make to pass close to another star ("Close" means a closest approach of 1.7 lightyears, roughly), Voyager one is headed towards Glease 445. That journey will take roughly 40,000 years, and it won't have the power to slow down as would be needed. It would require considerably more fuel to make a helocentric insertion.

    Sure, it's possible some more advanced probe is going to come along and 'get there' first. but whatever.

    The kind of delta-v required for that would also be incredibly obvious. the platform coming from another star would be massive, and if the goal was to stick around, there is absolutely no place in space for it to hide. which means if they come, they're not coming quietly.

    (fun fact, the IRL counterpart to Star Trek's warp drive is called the Alcubierre drive. It's just theoretically possible. But, it's not able to go FTL since it violates causality.)

    (also fun fact... it's quite the opposite. I've watched far too much star trek. and star wars. and farscape. and babylon 5 and sg1 and, uhm. lots of trashy b-rated stuff we're not going to mention.)

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The /s was to indicate sarcasm. You’re on Lemmy—you’ve definitely watched every episode of Star Trek. /s

    I’m with you on the science, but I also leave a little room for the possibility that we don’t know what we don’t know. There is a lot of theory within our scientific cannon about multiple dimensions, folding space time, wormholes, etc, and we barely understand how any of it works. It’s perhaps unlikely, but possible that there is a level of scientific understanding which resolves these issues and makes long distance space travel doable.

    I want to believe

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    It depends on what the extraterrestrials are like. I think its probable they would be as incomprehensible to us as we are to fish or bugs. I am confident that a significant percentage of people will immediately freak out and react with aggression regardless of what they are like, and that the wealthy will be looking for any way to make money from them, even if it means selling out life on earth.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    At this point?

    I see 100% of the world, all the narcissists and psychopaths in power, asking them to please take them away from this horrible world

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Pretty much everything from the graphic-novel Signal from Space.

    General societal breakdown in various sectors.

    Also, it would unite most of humanity in ways we have never seen before.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    A fantastic amount of talking. The militaries would want to be in readiness, for example, just in case the extraterrestrials are not friendly, and the diplomatic corps would be doing their best to figure out how to communicate with them.

    A lot of religions might also be thrown a bit into the air by the arrival of aliens, so there would be some chatter there, too.

    Are aliens subject to human rights? Are they beings also made in God's image, etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I can see three options.

    1. Division, this would divide a lot of groups, and cause a lot of internal rifts.
    2. Unity, a foreign entity could easily be a powerful unifying force.
    3. Biological disaster, either through incompetence or ignorance, we or the aliens don't practice good biohazard containment, spreading infection throughout our world.
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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    I don't think it would be in the advantage of a smart civ to willfully contact another smart civ till it is confirmed that the "to be contacted" civ has a really good understanding of game theory.

    You cannot negotiate mutually assured destruction with a civ that does not understand what mutually assured destruction means.

    Do I think we would be destroyed if some other alien civ finds us? No. If civ A observes civ B destroying civ C, everyone would want to destroy civ B immediately. The possibility of there being peaceful contact for civ B goes away.

    Also, contacting us must be in the benefit of the civ that contacts us (assuming they are rational).

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago*

    With every major discovery in science ultimately being pretty boring to someone outside the field it might become useful, I would expect to be disappointed that the aliens look exactly like humans or something like that.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Their attitude towards us really depends on what their evolutionary pressures were. If resources were/are plentiful, they might have a less aggressive nature and simply wish to meet us. Otherwise, we might be on the chopping block.

    As for us. I imagine a decent portion of humanity would immediately default to rampant xenophobia or weirdly sexual obsession.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago
    1. They remove our ability to leave the planet.
    2. Continually

    Done.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    What do you mean "meet"? The way we would reach contact is by radio signals at first, not by actual physical visits. So at first we would only be communicating with probably a very long light delay as they'd be very far away. Realistically speaking neither would be able to visit the other in any feasible way, unless they have technology that is far, far beyond what we can imagine right now. Interstellar travel is very hard.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    To be realistic I think they would have scanned our airwaves and observed from afar and decided to get the hell out of this quadrant of the galaxy. If they needed our resources then it would be like the "Independence Day" movie, only the aliens would easily win.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Breed with them and eat them.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If you subtract the satire from the movie Mars Attacks, pretty much that. Uh uh uh.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Watch the movie “Contact” for a good depiction of this.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Its so hard to say. So much depends on what is possible interstellar travel wise. If light speed is the limit it would likely be with probes and its kinda unlikely that if they could send things out that far and communicate back that they would need many elemental resources and they would have energy needs solved. Honestly I think its very unlikely we would meet any unless we travel outward. Like I think its more likely their probes would meet our probes and maybe we could get somewhat of an idea of where we came from and where we are going but it would take years to have communications. If there is something faster then its essentially magic by our standards and that just makes things more up in the air.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Not sure but I have said that it'll happen under Trump. It has to. The way things go lately this is just expected at this point

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Pretty sure we'd have no communication with the alien that wasn't just corrupt politicians trying to speak for us to get some sort of trade out of them to increase their own power. It's too important for any/all normal people to have a voice, and then when the aliens dislike the abhorrent greed we'll probably just suffer some how more than we already do. I'd say we're better off not reporting any alien sightings. I would trust almost any human on earth more talking to aliens on my behalf than a so called leader currently. Maybe Ireland, Spain, a handful of others have better than regular Joe leaders, but it's rare.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Anal probe.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Depends where and how. If alien space ship crash landed on earth, I'm pretty sure every government would be eager to salvage every bit of priceless tech onboard.

    But if it was a diplomatic mission with controlled first contact over radio signals, then it would probably go very differently.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Lots of people getting probed against their will.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Same thing that happened to the tribal native people during colonization.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    Depends, did we find them first or did they find us first? I project our colonial past as a fear of what more advanced aliens would do. Because that's what we would do to any alien natives. Very unlikely we are technologically tied in progress.

    If they find us first, then mass panic at least at first.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    The extraterrestrials would soon enslave or kill us, and plunder the planet for resources. Positively, should humans travel to another planet, we would soon enslave or kill the inhabitants, and plunder the planet for resources. Luckily both won’t ever happen; space is too big.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Why go through the hassle of plundering an inhabited planet in a remote system when there are near unlimited uninhabited planets to pick all over?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    To name two examples: One of the substances found on Earth but likely absent on most exoplanets is liquid water. Another candidate is free oxygen (O₂) . On most exoplanets, oxygen is often bound in compounds (like CO₂ or H₂O) rather than existing as a free gas in the atmosphere.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I'd imagine for a civilization advanced enough for not only interstellar travel but suggestively FTL if they are running some kind of logistics operations across star systems, they would not have issues neither of hoovering gas clouds or splitting molecules and recombining them into desired materials nor have a problem with any amount of energy required. Damn, their physics and chemistry is probably at a quantum level so they can make whatever elements they want and have the need of none.

    Unless FTL travel and communications is stupid simple that we have missed some basic discoveries that would solve the Fermi paradox because we didn't know what to listen or look for.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)
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    Pish ever exterminate bugs from home? Gas, trap, plug the holes, and They'll will always come back.

    Only difference is what humans lack in strength and numbers they make up for in will and tenacity. Plus bugs aren't vindictive. They just be living.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

    When one civilization meets another, far more advanced, civilization, what tends to happen to the less advanced one?

    Yeah, that. It's gonna suck.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Doubtful. That happened here because we need both resources and living space while harvesting those resources. Anything aliens need can be gotten from hundreds of dead worlds and asteroids and stars. And any civilization able to cross galaxies should be able to make their own mobile livingspaces just as comfortable as a planet.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    Except maybe they can't do any of that any more, and they're living a nomadic existence as the remnants of a civilization near the end of its life and a stellar event pushed them onto a fleet of generation ships and they've centuries roaming in ships that are increasingly taking apart around them.

    Just because you can launch a ship or 3000 into space doesn't mean you can do it well or all that safely.

    After all, we have the technology right now, to build such a generational fleet of ships and send them off. We just don't do it because there's no real impetus to do so, but I can guarantee that if we knew for certain that absolute death was coming our way with no way of stopping it, escaping would be one of the things we would try to do.

    Being able to get here doesn't mean squat if it was just a random choice based on old light and a "that star looks like the best candidate we can reach in less than 300 years."

    Just because humans haven't gone outside the orbit of earth doesn't mean we don't have the capability of it. We're just trying to do it safely.

    Imagine if we didn't care how many died as long as some of us made it?

    I mean that's how the old USSR did things...

    I forgetted a word

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, at that point you're saying they're not much more advanced than us, soooo.... I'd place bets on us shooting them out of the sky.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Except they have the high ground. They can drop rocks on us.

    Also, being able to use technical devices doesn't mean you understand them or know how to make them.

    Maybe the civilization they were in before would be able to do all that, but they can't now, doesn't mean they don't still have a few "super weapons" they can fall back on.

    Or, like I said, just throw heavy objects at us. It's easier to go from orbit to ground than from ground to orbit.

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