And immediately saw the error in his ways? Absolutely not. These people get sick to the point of dying. Go to the emergency room and get healed through real medicine and the efforts of a dozen nurses and a doctor or two. Then they leave and brag to their friends and family "see told you I'd be fine" and never give credit to the REAL medicine that fixed the issue.

My dad literally will not talk to me because I refused to say that ivermectin is a miracle cure. He’s angry at me for some study or article that he thinks I am obsessed with (I honestly have no idea what he’s talking about), and insists I retract my belief in it or we can’t have a relationship. Since I haven’t the first clue what he’s even on about, he made his choice..

Can’t wait for the next round of crackpot email forwards. Hopefully he sticks to his word and won’t contact me anymore.

Edit - he he last time I spoke with him was at my step mom’s funeral, where she had just died of cancer, which they treated with….I’ll give you one guess.

We aren’t dealing with rational people.

I guess I'm glad my father is only "ancient aliens" crazy after his TBI made him a trump supporter.

My mom died a couple years ago (she thought "vibration therapy" would cure her cancer), and when my sister and I were cleaning up her house to sell it we found so many empty bottles of ivermectin as well as other crazy stuff. It's just the stupidest scam. Oh, medicine, biology, chemistry, etc is all bullshit, but horse medicine? Yeah, that's legit.

At least your parents are free from intestinal parasites

Start sending them articles about Steve Jobs and how he died.

Well at least they don't have worm parasites.

It does work well for those things.

Yeah but not a worm in sight!

At least it's not shungight. Viral medical trends are problematic when they get sold as cure calls, bad when it's unfounded, worse when it's half true. Poisons the well.

Doesn't even need to be eliminated parasites.

"I am solving the problem by taking the medicine, and I am smart because I'm using a secret medicine they don't want me to know about" causes the brain to release the good feelings chemicals which does make you feel better.

In the US, people don’t go to the doctor when they have a problem, they go as a last resort because they have to ask themselves how much it would cost.

In Estonia it's sorta the same except a visit costs nothing for the GP and 20 euros for the initial visit to a specialty doctor (subsequent visits are free).

We just don't go to the doctor because we're stubborn as fuck and "it'll heal on its own".

18% of Americans haven't ever seen a doctor and 40% of Americans haven't seen one for 5 years.

What the fuck? Have you a source for those numbers because they're shocking

They could be sick from something else but get rid of a long standing comorbidity of a pariste infection, you bet they are feeling good. They just think that relief from the varied symptoms from parasite is actually something else cured.

Pretty much this, although it seems freeing the immune system from fighting the worm infection really does help it in fighting the Coronavirus infection: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted (Ctrl+F "The Synthesis").

TL;DR: Studies showing a positive effect from Ivermectin on Covid came mostly from areas with high worm infection incidence, areas with low incidence showed no or smaller positive effect.
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This is one my comment talking point. When people have to think about "can I afford this?" anytime they need to goto the doctor, then they'll only go when it's serious. But they are not qualified medical professionals to decide what needs medical attention or not. So they seek advice from other people, past experiences and Internet and we have this problem.

Honestly, it shouldn't cost that much to just goto a doctor's office and return. We don't need MD for everything, have other professional people there that are qualified enough to tell you when something doesn't need attention, or simple solutions. Maybe just cleaning a scrap, or giving you a brace for minor sprain, all those without having to see MD.

Great point. Hard to trust doctors when it’s $500 to not find anything over and over and over and over.

Agreeing about universal healthcare but adding sufficient PTO to go to the Dr.

Add to that the pleatora of fraudulent TV doctors

100 % this. Also maybe overall education quality as well?

Vaccines are often free here

Many of my fellow Canadians fell for that shit, and they have free access to doctors.

(Not all of them, because our healthcare system is weirdly understaffed, but many of them)

I agree with you 100%. When the prospect of a health emergency or chronic condition means bankruptcy, people can’t help but look for alternatives.

Under a capitalist system where anyone can sell ‘supplements’ and any other random ‘treatment’ under the radar long enough to make a quick buck, misinformation abounds and the desperate roll the dice.

Health care isn’t just that. It’s what keeps families together, it’s what keeps communities together, and it’s a tragic farce that too many of us see it as a privilege and not a right.

You do, it’s either self hosting, Linux or socialism

I love not having worms in me exactly as much as I love ivermectin, basically a miracle drug for that. They must be getting the dosage wrong tho because they've clearly got brain worms.

Early laboratory research indicated that ivermectin could kill the SARS-CoV-2 virus, but this was later found to require, in many cases, toxic doses far exceeding those approved for humans. Antivaxxers latched onto this and ran with it, spreading the misinformation far and wide.

Well, there was evidence that it helped and then mainstream pharmaceutical buried the evidence and killed all the scientists. Cause it'd affect their bottom line. And then you've got the secret kabal controlling everything that wants us hooked on their drugs for mind control. The anti-christ is alive, right now, and his name is healthcare /s

The real reason is probably that it was a dewormer that helped some very sick people feel better when they had covid, and then conspiracies about it took off when scientists said "yeah, that's probably not helpful for covid". Science is a messy process, but because of the authoritative way it's taught, people have trouble connecting the process of finding answers in real time with the firmness of the results. That, plus grifters pumping people full of fear and anxiety so they keep coming back for the next hit. It's not pushing ivermectin because they have stake in it. It's pushing ivermectin because it fits a pre-established narrative and thinking is, like, real tough, y'all. You gotta, like, put effort into that. Which is dumb. I've got this one drum, I'mma bang it all day.

Much like every culture war issue the right grabs onto: there's no logical basis for it. It became an in-group thing to signal to others that you're "one of the good ones". Sane people pointed out how bad it was which only made ivermectin more entrenched as THE healthy thing like crystals, red light therapy, essential oils, basically anything not backed up by a healthcare expert.

I think its just people that can't tell memes from facts.

Having worms is common in poorer parts of the world and deworming humans is quite common. I imagine it's made its way through immigrant communities and then white people latched on.

Something else white people stole 🤣

We let them the first time too. If you want to eat horse paste who am I to stop you?

Yup, was scary finding myself agreeing with her for a while there…

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