Literally forcing people to eat ass to own the libs.
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There's an extent to which the whole "Leopards ate my face" thing is an expression of our worst impulses. Schadenfreude feels great, but man this post makes me feel terrible for Argentina. Especially after having seen The Take. (It's been a while since I watched it, but it left an impression.)
I think people are feeling like this because the awful people that enable and drag the rest of society into these messes, never learn. Sure once shit hits the fan and it affects them deeply they'll be complaining and calling for heads to roll, but the second the rest of society fixes the messes they created, the second they get a comfortable life again, they return with the same attitudes that lead down the dark path to begin with. They just don't learn. Only changing their views when it affects them personally and then immediately flipping back when life is good again.
oh i think that people do learn, everybody learns, it's just that some people are more like experimental physicists. let me explain:
In physics, there are mostly two branches: theoretical physics (which makes predictions and does mathematical calculations on paper) and experimental physics (which touches things with their hands, does experiments and observes the outcome). the same is true in politics:
Some people see a situation, think about it, do some guesswork and write articles, discuss with friends what would probably be the outcome if a certain policy is implemented, then decide whether it's a good idea to implement that policy or not. Other people, however, take the opposite approach: implement the policy first, then wait and watch what happens. That's the experimental approach: do things and figure out the hard way. That's exactly what happens in politics. people vote for austerity politics, and for a while it goes well, until suddenly it doesn't anymore. then people crash and society suffers, and people observe this and then conclude that these policies did in fact not work well. that's when they learn. after harm has been done, and they've experienced it themselves.
That's a nice sounding line of bullshit.
What actually happens is rich Conservatives, in the Edmond Burke mold, use some grievance, real or imaginary, to worm their way into power.
Once in power they start doing two main things, the first is to rob the government blind, transferring wealth from public good programs to themselves via things like defense contracts or sueing the government you control for billions of dollars.
The second thing they do is implement some sort of restrictive law or policy that is designed to hurt one group of people more than everyone else, dividing people from each other and amplifying the hatred of the worst assholes around.
Eventually the conservative is ousted, usually after crashing the economy. But usually enough conservatives remain in power to stymie any actual reforms that would actually fix all the problems that they caused.
And no, people never fucking learn.
If only we had decades and decades and decades of this "research" already done in the form of countless hopelessly failed "experiments"... Oh wait. We do.
Sorry, but no. You don't get excused because you ignored everyone who told you that THIS SHIT HAS BEEN TRIED AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
You don't get to ruin people's lives simply because you're incapable of learning something without doing it yourself.
I had to remind myself about Milei's policies.... I mean I know he's a hapless* Trump copycat** but I was thin on the details:
Milei advocates minimal government, focusing on administering justice and ensuring security, with a philosophy rooted in life, liberty, and property, and free market principles. He criticizes socialism and communism, advocating economic liberalization and restructuring of government ministries. He opposes Argentina's Central Bank and current taxation policies.
Economically, Milei is influenced by the Austrian school, and admires former President Carlos Menem's policies.
There we are. Austerity, the favorite cover-up for "just doing my rich donor buddies bidding". And unfortunately I don't even need to look up the Austrian school. And it ties back nicely to the movie you mention.
* Some time ago when the economy was already tanking he sang live in a rock band. The article was titled "Burning Down The House"
** TBF Trump did not invent Trumpism, he's just the most prominent
PS & BTW
Donkey (and horse) meat is a relatively common ingredient in e.g. Salami. Yes the economy is fucked up but people eating donkey meat is probably not the best indicator. And as someone else pointed out, the article talks about selling donkey meat in large cities, not the eating per se.
Interesting, the director of that movie is the ndp leader in Canada now
The Argentinians were desperate for change. I wouldn't have voted for him but the peronists were a complete failure over the last 10 years or so too.
Love how people keep choosing right wing policies.
Propaganda is a powerful drug
Unfortunately this isn't a left or right thing...as the last decades of leadership there have been socialist left wing.
Corruption is corruption, and Argentina is filled with it.
Cool story bro
It was the previous left wing governments that ruined the country economically and who are responsible for the crazy inflation and corruption, but ok
Perhaps because they're the only ones that have a chance of working.
Isn't Argentina a major producer of beef? Are they exporting most of it instead of selling it domestically because exporting brings in more money?
there's a meat monopoly, few companies decide where most of the production goes
Ah so the Irish potato famine, Indian famine caused by the East India company, or Holodomor sort of thing where it is better economically for the eliet to let the locals starve and sell all the food abroad type of thing I see.
Big "and then the bears came" energy.
What about that shitload of money his buddy trump gave him? Wasn't that 40 billion?
He is a Catholic, converted to Judaism, and fully Zionist. Most likely he funnel that money back to trump through deals with Israel.
I think it was a line of credit and it they already paid off this debt.
you are using the word billion incorrectly, a billion is a million million, and it was 20 thousand millons, not 40.
In English, "billion" means " a thousand million". "un billón" in Spanish is "a trillion" in English
It's ten thousand lakh actually, or a hundred crore.
That's the British usage of the word. Possibly elsewhere, but when the US uses that word we refer to 1000 × a million. Still entirely uncertain as to how that linguistic difference came about.
The Brits use short scale nowadays like every English speaking country.
In Canada we see US billion sometimes. It gets confusing.
For which use case? Is the billion = a million million standard, or is the thousand million standard?
Also how did we end up with two standards of such a basic numerical name?
Edit: their original comment read "Non-English Anglosphere," hence my first question not making much sense any more.
English->English
French->American
Due to US market size, theirs is becoming more standard.
Like metric, the US swapped to the French version because of their hate of the British following the split.
We spell that word aluminum, not aluminium. That's why we pronounce it that way. Why we spell it differently? No clue.
Also it's not just a billion. A trillion is a thousand billion on this side of the pond, and has been since well before any Americans were even close to being billionaires. We just use a smaller standard for counting, but that's also the standard French and Latin used, so I don't think it has anything to do with us.
Ok, I can see that. There are a couple of State Capitol Buildings whose domes are covered in Aluminum Leaf, which would now be called aluminum foil, and I have square yards of the stuff in my kitchen and garage. At the time they were built aluminum was still difficult to get, less than two decades after they were built electrolysis guy did his thing, lol.
I knew that at one point King Louis the somethingth or other, had a full set of aluminumware to serve extremely important guests with. Like, not just cutlery. Plates, saucers, bowls, cups and goblets. The less distinguished guests had to eat and drink out of platinum, gold, or (gasp) silver.
Nobody thinks aluminum is a rare and valuable metal.
Argentinians making the sacrifice to prove what most of us knew already.
Anarcho capitalism is fucking stupid.
It's also not Anarcho, that word is thrown in there as a marketing term. Like using "fresh" to describe donkey meat.
They don't care about prosperity on the general population. They only care about the prosperity of the richest.
Chile is still our model country. Some people say that's bad, because of the poverty. I don't give a shit about the common people, only those who have the yachts.
- Zsolt Bayer, Fidesz pundit, (hopefully) future unemployed person
Libertarianism fails faster than communism. It has been well documented and people still think it's a better system of government
Last Fall when our own citizens were going hungry in a government shutdown, Trump sent Argentina $40 billion, and instead of buying meat, they bought donkeys they could fatten up to eat later?
No wonder Argentina's economy crashes every 2 years.
you are using the word billion incorrectly, a billion is a million million, and it was 20 thousand millons, not 40.
They are speaking English so a billion is a thousand million. There is no English speaking country anymore that uses long scale. So no English speaking country uses miljard for a thousand million.
So for context, in English billion is thousand millions, but in Spanish is a million millions (so, an English trillion)
They gave using the English definition.
Actually, it was a million million in english as well. It's a thousand million in simplified (american) english, and for some reason, we just ended up kowtowing to their bullshit.
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-61424,00.html
It was a weird false friend, but now it's even weirder they (US) just changed the definition of a number.
So in most of western Europe and most of South America, you'd be right as they use the long scale, but none of those are natively English-speaking nations. UK and Ireland use the short scale, as does the US, NZ, AU. Canada uses both, I'd assume the French speaking part uses long scale. Eastern Europe, Northern Africa, the Gulf states, and NW Asia actually use short scale with milliard instead of billion, and as you go towards south or east in Asia, you'll run into completely different number systems, such as the funky Indian one that goes by hundreds rather than thousands as groups starting with 1,00,000 (1 lakh) and 1,00,00,000 (1 crore).
TL;DR: There's no unified worldwide standard, but for pretty much all English language usage, you'd be wrong.
How much does donkey meat go for, $40,000,000,000?
I think an article in Swedish news ran about chicken becoming more popular in Argentina following the extended economic hardship under Miles.
To be honest, this is maybe the only silver lining of an otherwise fully shit Milei regime. They eat way too much beef in Argentina - they are the country that eats the most beef per capita by a large margin.
I'm confused, are you saying people running out of food is a good thing if it's more environmental?
No, I'm saying that Argentinians adopting chicken as a staple in their diets to replace their beef consumption is a good thing for the environment. I don't wish any economic hardship on any of them.
the world is not black and white. bad things can have positive consequences and vice versa
Running out of beef is absolutely a good thing. It's among the highest producers of CO2.
Running out of food in general not so great.
People looked at genocide in Gaza and would say: that good we don't see anyone fat. This must be good for them.
Here in the states, we will soon be eating Rats-a-Roni, pigeon parmigiana, and weeds for fiber.
Donkey meat is delicious tho
Anyone who thought the capitalist in bed with Washington and even Musk was gonna do anything good for anyone besides himself and whoever makes him richer is seriously detached from the world/intellectually challenged.
10 usd for a pack of grinded meat, while salaries start at 330
330....per what period? Depending on the length, it starts at "bad" and starts moving toward "apocalyptic."
10 usd for a pack of grinded meat,
That's a pretty large pack.
https://www.selinawamucii.com/insights/prices/argentina/beef/
I don't like Milei at all but this thread is full of misinformation. I live in Argentina and literally no one is eating "donkey meat". I don't think that something butcher shops sell here. At least I haven't seen it in my entire life.
Also, 1kg of grinded meat is about $6.7 USD with the dolar at $1400ARS/1 USD. Source. Not to mention that pretty much any butcher shop and supermarket has bank discounts between 20 and 30% on specific week days, so it can cost even less than that.
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