I've been posting a lot lately But I seem like I'm controversial no matter what I post. I came from Reddit with over 2 million karma during the API controversy. Should I keep posting or give up on Lemmy?

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[–] 97 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

Do you enjoy posting? That's all that really matters in the end. Karma is pointless.

Controversy can actually be good, as long as you're not saying stuff simply to provoke it for its own sake. If I wanted to only speak to something that agreed with everything I said I could just go tell an AI to act that way and waste my time there. Should communities be insular bubbles where everyone believes the exact same things?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    No. But here people are not worried about debating. A long time ago I posted something I thought it was cute but i didn't know it was a trigger for Lemmy. No joke I got 5 dms hating on me. One of them really heavy.

    I like different opinions but lemmy does not

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  • [–] 172 points 7 months ago

    The question isn't if you're useful to Lemmy or not. We don't deserve to exert any weight on your heart with opinions and upvotes.

    Are you doing something you think is worth your time, with or without external validation? Is this something you would do if you thought it was basically the internet version of putting messages in a bottle?

    When you are old and on your death bed, what will the value of your reddit karma be? What is the value of it now?

    Do things that matter to you. Do things that help you grow and be a better person.

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  • [–] 71 points 7 months ago

    Ask not if you are useful to Lemmy. Ask if Lemmy is useful to you.

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I don't see most of your posts in the wild but the one I did was good. Glancing at your profile, you post quality which is just going to get a different kind if engagement than what we're used to on reddit

    Stand tall, king. Numbers just scale a little different here and things move slow. You'll notice your posts will continue to get engagement for a long time after a reddit post would normally die down too.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Every person that logs in and interacts in good faith in some way is useful to Lemmy.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Most Lemmites are atheist so it would be, “act in good science”.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Don’t stress about it. I think reddit gives people an unhealthy mindset about how internet forums are.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    blows my mind, but some people feel bad when they get downvoted, and think they did something 'wrong' if random weirdos on the internet don't upvote them.

    and further, they get upset and angry against people who they think downvoted them and sometimes seek revenge, talk about taking the internet way too seriously...

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago

    What you should do is stop caring about "karma", it has no value (even more so here, it's not even a thing). Don't do things to get likes, do them because you like doing them and/or think they can help others.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    For what it's worth, I appreciate your contributions. 👍

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Seems like a bit of a "pickme" post. You do you, don't worry about your 2 million updoots on reddit.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago

    Don't feel like you need to be useful, but thanks for contributing.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago

    I haven't heard of any controversy, but I think you do important work. May not be glamorous work, but having a consistent flow of news on Lemmy helps me keep up to date on the goings-on of the world. I assume most people think similarly

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago

    Thanks for your contributions!

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago

    You know what I have enjoyed about Lemmy? Compared to Reddit, I get fewer replies if I make a comment, and fewer upvotes. Yet the comments I do get are generally more interesting and more likely to be human. As I’ve grown more accustomed to Lemmy, I’ve begun to wonder what percentage of Reddit interactions were bots.

    However, I’d love to see this grow some more. The large communities are taking off, but I will still use Reddit for more niche subjects (area-specific gardening, following a local sports team) because they haven’t taken off on Lemmy yet and I’d be talking to myself. And that means that you are useful, because a community needs members to thrive.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    None of us are useful to Lemmy because Lemmy is not "useful." Lemmy is a shit-pile of all of our combined thoughts and efforts. So, while no social media site is "useful," Lemmy brings us a place to be entertained and informed/misinformed.

    Most of your posts are shit. Most of my posts are shit. While we each usually shit in our own corners, we occasionally look at each other's shit and say, "hmmm... This shit stinks." Or, "this shit is a little nutty and I like that!" And even less frequently, we cross paths while shitting and our shit combines to create a new type of shit that other people can enjoy.

    So, don't try to measure your Lemmy "usefulness" based on karma, and instead focus on the shit. I often appreciate your shit, and your username always gives me a chuckle. Whether anyone likes it or not, all of our shit makes Lemmy's shit the shit it is.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago

    I’ve been posting a lot lately But I seem like I’m controversial no matter what I post. I came from Reddit with over 2 million karma trying the API controversy.

    Forget about karma and algorithm: votes don't mean much around here.

    What's not different from reddit, as already mentioned, is that some people only seem to enoiy acting like jerks. The right answer to that is to 1) ignore them 2) to block them. They will still be able to (meaninglessly) vote but they won’t get a chance to annoy you directly anymore.

    Should I keep posting or give up on Lemmy?

    Should you keep on posting?

    The Fediverse (lemmy being a small part of it, I'm from Piefed another and even smaller part of it) severely lacks active users so, from the Fediverse’s perspective the answer is obviously: yes, you should!

    But one should never do something only because they think or because ethey’re being told they should do it. Even posting content on a forum. So, if you don't enjoy doing it, it's probably not worth your time.

    I do participate as regularly as I can because I think most of the discussions are enriching and done with a correct mindset. I would stop participating if that was not the case. Like I quit using reddit the day I realized I could not agree with their latest policy changes (that was a couple years ago).

    So, do you enjoy participating? If so, by all means keep on doing it as I have no doubt other people do appreciate your contributions too.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    I don't see controversy in your first page of your profile, but discussion about the articles. IMO, that's what you hope for.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Your posts seem reasonable and you're contributing real content. Seems to me like that's the very definition of being useful to the community at large.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago*

    I've had you tagged for some time for past discussions I found dubious and recognize by sight your name now but don't stop posting what you believe; I still want to hear what you say unlike others who just seem like trolls or bots. I often agree even. I don't want an echo chamber; I want ideas challenged in both directions.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'd say keep posting. We need the content! Engagement is always low here, there is a lot of varied opinions here as well. Don't let it get you down.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago

    Judging by your recent post history, it looks like you’re doing a good job at attracting positive engagement. Many upvotes and comments on your posts. Of course, with that you also attract some negative engagement, but that’s inevitable when posting about politics.

    You’re useful.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago

    Over 2 million karma. Ooh La La dork jk

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Let go of the thought that updoots matter and you will find harmony.

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    [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    Nothing wrong with controversy. Know who you are and be open to learning.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
    1. Controversy is always going to happen with anything politics, which is clearly something very important to you
    2. Your worth is not a measure of the controversy your posts generate or karma
    3. Maybe instead of giving up completely, consider also posting about some things that bring you peace and joy. I have no doubt that there is much more to you than very understandable anger about the world we live in.

    In my case, I can't survive on a diet of outrage alone, especially when I'm often picking up my phone to get away from some kind of life stress, so I'm always keen for more posts in art, photography or pet communities. It helps to break up the wall of misery that is the news and reminds me there are still things worth fighting for. Sometimes I need to see a photo of a beach sunset someone saw and thought was pretty, or read a post about how they discovered a new hobby even if I'd never try it. Show me the cute dog you saw on a walk, or the weird random trash you found on the street, I'm here for it.

    Consider it a form of community building. rest, and morale boosting for the war against humanity and the environment that we've been caught in, if you will.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    isnt controversy good as long as conversation is civil?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    Give up on reddit. There is no karma here.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I have you at +10, so you’re at least posting things I find meaningful. That being said, you post a lot of political things, so expect to bring many sides of the conversation to light. The fediverse has more types than Reddit.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    how do you score another person? I didn't know that was a feature

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    On the voyager app there is a feature that shows the upvotes you’ve given someone (as a green number next to their name). Unless they are a troll, in which case it would probably be a negative number and red.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    It's nothing crazy. He just spends a couple of weeks following you around and going through your stuff when you aren't home.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Can ya tell 'em to stop moving my bloody remote then!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    You have to remember to keep your remote clean. Some people never clean their remotes and he ends up pushing them all over the house trying to lick the remotes clean.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    All posting here is useful at this point

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    I usually don't post links to news articles because I assume someone else will do it or already did it. And I'm right people people like you do it. So thanks. Just don't do it for 'karma', we don't need this silly competition for internet points here.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    yes. i enjoy your posts. i am happy to see you and many others.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago*

    If you get dozens of upvotes, you are not controversial. If you get half a dozen negative comments, just ignore them. Don’t let the comments get yah!

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    It's probably not you who is controverial. In my experience, a lot of Lemmy subs/pages seem to be echo chambers and circlejerks. Don't worry too much about karma. Lemmy is a whole different ecosystem. Sounds like you're trying to bring status into a place that doesn't value it. You're either preaching to the choir, or speaking your mind and getting flamed.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    More content is good in a system like Lemmy which is designed around filtering. So continue posting!

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  • Don't worry about the votes. You are free now.

    Post what you are interested in.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    A screenshot from the Voyager app showing that I have upvoted return2ozma over 600 times.

    I appreciate you, @return2ozma@lemmy.world and if you left us it would be a major loss.

    I pay no attention to down-voters. The growing popularity of the fediverse brings as many bad people with it as good ones.

    The Rick and Morty meme where Rick says “Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer!”

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago*

    How did you even get the idea you're not "useful"? When I look at your profile, all I see is 90%+ upvoted posts, not that upvotes necessarily matter very much.

    https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/66240489

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'd recommend using the block feature freely. I've had to start doing that. There are quite a few arrogant hateful shitheads that will reliably respond negatively and self righteously and I have no use for that. Binary thinkers are a stressful waste of time.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Are you useful? How would I get to Ozma without you?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I came over after getting banned with more then half a million karma. I just post my shit. if folks like it, neat, if not oh well, not like there's a century club here or anything.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    What do you mean "useful"?
    I can understand being useful to a community, if you're an expert and expertise is sought-after, but idk what it even means to be useful to Lemmy as a whole unless you're developing Lemmy or apps for it.

    Bee useful to a community, but don't try to be useful to everyone

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago*

    Taken as a whole, I like your contributions here. But I – ironically, because I'm responding – also don't think you should give a shit what I say or really what anyone in this thread does. The only validation you need is your own; if you enjoy posting here, if you enjoy the comments you get* and conversations you have, if you think you're giving people something worthwhile, and if you think you're staying within the rules and on-topic, then that's what matters. If you don't, then that's also fine and maybe means you're burnt out and could be more fulfilled reducing your time here in favor of something else.

    * I'm confused what you mean here by being "controversial"; Voyager shows you as +208 upvotes for me, and I'm sure I'm at least a bit notorious to regulars of this small pond as a cranky, critical, cynical fuck.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Does it matter if you're controversial? I also left during the API debacle. Couldn't tell you what my karma was. Couldn't tell you what it would be here. Up votes just tell me if a post was well-received or not, I'm really here for the comments. This is my only form of online interaction with people.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    You post mostly interesting content. Keep it coming.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I’m with you, homey.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Contribution is important

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Controversial posts that get engagement are probably thought-provoking and worthy of discussion. Discussion is much more important than karmafarming. Continue!

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Please, keep feeding me content.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I disagree with your takes sometimes (although not since I switched to PieFed), but you always have an argument and I’ve never seen you have one I couldn’t see any merit in. As good as it gets, imo.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    sounds to me, you take social media too seriously

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I'll be honest here. The majority of the content I see from you is defeatist doomer shit. We don't need that crap at the best of times, but certainly not now. Take a break and see if your outlook improves, for you, but you'd probably feel better ditching the doomerism.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I generally appreciate what you're doing

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I think you’re useful! I have Voyager’s tags on for votes, and it shows that I’ve upvoted your posts hundreds of times, so your content definitely has value for me.

    Your account always stands out to me, I notice your posts and am happy to engage with them.

    That said, do you, if you’re not feeling good about things lately a break probably couldn’t hurt (though my feed will suffer!).

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    I'm reading a lot here and also read a lot of your posts. Sometimes I agree with what you post, sometimes I do not agree. But reading your name next to a post title has never discouraged me to not click on your postings! I would be missing a lot of content if you weren't there.

    But ultimately, neither I or anyone else should matter for if you post or not - if it's good enough for you, and you aren't breaking any rules, post away! I for my part do enjoy the content you post.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    I'm controversial

    You've ended up with +5 in my book, so you must be doing something right. At least according to me.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Eh, I like you.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    The points were always imaginary and made up… keep posting!

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I love your posts! Thank you for being here and all your posts!

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