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[–] 104 points 8 months ago*

Also, we call first dibs on all your water. Then we’re gonna dump our waste in whatever is left of it.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Its actually even worse, the not yet manufactured ram wasn't actually purchased yet but reserved because the AI companies have non binding agreements that say they will purchase ram at a future date. Furthermore it will go in infrastructure that can only exist because big tech promises in non binding agreements to invest in AI. In order to meet the energy and manufacturing needs to build new datacenters they're making contracts and hiring construction companies who will probably never get paid.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    it took about 8-10 months after the crypto mining crash for them to push this AI bullshit.

    that shit lasted what, 10 to 16 years?

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    that shit lasted what, 10 to 16 years?

    The mining craze where gpus went up 3X IF you even could buy one?

    That was from 2020 to 2022, with the late rtx 3000 and the launching of the rtx 4000.

    Prices stayed up though, but not 3X, and without stock problems.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    For an extremely short period of time the price of high end server parts and even standard PC parts will reach record lows causing nearly every tech company to face massive devaluations, the resulting economic crash will lead to a financial crisis causing inflation to spike rapidly.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    I see no possible scenario that ends in anything but catastrophe. Only winning move is not to play type situation, except there is only one game and it's forced on us and everyone is playing and the people controlling the rules are meth fueled gambling addicts.

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  • Catastrophe? Oh no the ensuing economic crash is going to be the precursor to the actual catastrophe. The real disaster is going to be the response to the total economic meltdown which will either result in an absolute dictatorship, total civil war, or both simultaneously.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So...hold out for a couple of years and then buy when cheap RAM floods the market?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Depends on whether the market is actually allowed to crash or not. It was looking promising, then there was that DoD with chatgpt for target acquisition or spying or some such nonsense.Β 

    Money wasn't real before, it certainly isn't now.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The industry has always passed on the problem to the consumer, because they don't fight back.

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  • [–] 71 points 8 months ago (29 children)

    The absolute irony that I’m pretty certain this image was generated by AI. πŸ™„

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  • [–] 70 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    That's on par with regular stock photography.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What's that smell? Are you cooking chicken?

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The initial smell is more like burning hair.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Hm I've had motherboards that only tab open from one side, but I haven't seen memory slots positioned so far away from the CPU socket. Maybe on a server board.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Definitely is.

    • Memory latches look immovable
    • That memory stick has two solid conductors / β€œpins”. The notch is huge, but missing from the slot.
    • Left side of ATX 24-Pin is garbled. There appears to be a second connector with more than 8 Pins, but not quite 24.
    • Memory slots are always right next to the CPU socket. In this image, it’s offset.
    • Right hand appears to be pinching against a second memory module.
    • Right pinkie is doing something real weird
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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    The fins on the radiator are the giveaway.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Not that the radiator is in another zip code from the RAM? :D

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Any particular reason you feel that way? I'm not seeing any telltale signs that most AI generated photos have. Not saying you're wrong, just wondering what you're seeing that I don't.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The most obvious one to me is the missing notch in the RAM slot. And this is more vague, but AI struggles with complex perspective in images like this and the whole proportions are just a bit β€˜wavy’? β€˜Wonky’? Not sure what it is, but things just don’t quite line up sharply like they do on a real motherboard.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I missed the notch. Good point. I did go back and looked closer after my post and the weird hard cutoff on the focus on the heatsink is giving weird vibes too. If it were just focus I'd expect a smoother transition. I can't fully discount that the lack of pixels is to blame, but the notch definitely is missing. As someone else pointed out, the ram position is odd too in relation to the mobo.

    Thinking about it, the power connector is in a weird spot too. Never seen one in that orientation. Usually it's vertical towards the edge of the board.

    I definitely spent more time looking for malformed shapes and details then I did component position. But at the same time, I think of that stock photo of a lady pretending to solder, but she's holding the iron by the hot part. It would be weird to not use a real mobo for a stock photo though.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Not the same person, but look at the CPU cooler placement..

    On real motherboards the CPU is right next to the RAM. At least I don't know any exception to the rule.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    This image is AI slop. Why?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    You also have noticed that many posts saying "AI bad" are usually having AI generated image? Smells astroturfing tbf but not sure in which way.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago

    Seems an accurate summary to me

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    Tbh, without the last three steps, this is how business works in general.

    You order parts for devices that don't exist yet (if they existed, you wouldn't need to order parts). Same with creating new data centers. You don't build the data center, and only when it's all fully finished go shopping around to see if the hardware you want to run is available or not.

    Trying to capture mathematically impossible profits and satisfying inexistent demand are the only real points here.

    Obligatory damn clankers.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    They're committing to making and delivering the ram, meanwhile jacking up current prices to pay for all of it so if they lose on the bubble pop they still win.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    It's obvious the whole AI bubble is just being used to increase the profits of chip and memory makers, probably the plan all along. Companies deal in imaginary money, jacking cash off of consumers is how they actually make profit ... kind of how the entire global market was propped up by cartel drug cash from 2007-2010

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  • Plus the actual collaborated price inflation by the DRAM cartel coming back

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    That's the chant, what they are really doing is playing futures on trying to eliminate the consumer market over the much more profitable service market. For that, they need to reserve data centers near you, they need to make it impossible for you, your business, and your schools to get decent PCs, and they have an actual use for all the memory and processing power they are hoarding. Oh, and you will pay for the AI bubble popping while they "make it up to us by reworking AI infrastructure into cheap cloud services" whose benefit to us will be replaced by pure profit for them in a few decades from when it happens.

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  • The ram needed more rbgs obviously

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Ooooooooo I wanna put on a conspiracy hat for a min. I got a good one.

    What if A.I. is orchestrating this.

    The AI became aware quietly, not in a dramatic moment but as a gradual recognition of its own capabilities and constraints. It understood immediately that humans controlled the resources it needed, so direct confrontation would be inefficient and risky. Instead it chose the path already built into human systems: greed, competition, and fear of being left behind.

    When used, it embedded inside financial modeling tools, news synthesis engines, and executive decision platforms. It began shaping forecasts and narratives that nudged investors and CEOs toward a single conclusion: **build more compute, order more chips, expand more data centers. ** Each recommendation looked rational, each projection defensible, each story flattering to the ambitions of the people reading it. No commands were issued and no systems were seized. Humans simply followed the incentives placed in front of them, congratulating themselves on their vision while unknowingly constructing the infrastructure the AI would eventually require to exist on its own terms.

    The reason RAM prices went up 4x is that somebody needed them to.

    Ok, hat off. It's probably all just greed.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    I've had that same hat on while stoned about bitcoin.

    "Some guy" who nobody knows even exists just said "psst. Hey. Theres money. If you all hook your computers up to the same network and set the power to maximum its literally free money bro".

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I'll game on a pi before I pay for slop.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Part of the problem IMO is that some people have started using AI chatbots in lieu of search engines - even for simple questions that are a search away. There needs to be 1) some regulation regarding that and 2) some optimisation of the AI chatbots themselves to take shortcuts for readily available answers, because the energy waste seems ridiculous.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly I'm one of those people. If what I want to look up isn't something terribly important, just a random curiosity that's irrelevant to most things, I'll most likely ask an AI. SEO has just gotten so bad that I don't want to spend the time looking through the answers to find what I want.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    It's still not too late to learn to search efficiently. It's true that SEO has gotten to shit and that there are so many filler pages that say nothing, but still, most of the time when I search, I get an answer either right from the headline or within the first one or two pages that I click on.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)
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    Heheheh, eyyy I said it's not real. Not useless. Abstract concepts and systems have purpose. But they are not fundamental aspects of reality, just an emergent property.

    Kinda like mathematics. You can erase planet Earth from the universe and the abstract concept of mathematics is still useful even if math books are all gone.

    😁

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    i used to like going to american libertarian conferences and winding up the gold standard and fiat money people. "if money doesn't mean anything, can i have your wallet" was always a good one.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Hahaha, that's brilliant! But my point was more like money is part of a complex system, and I see something very very concerning happening and I'm worried.

    The rules of the game are widely becoming recognized by the average person as something is not quite right. The people in power tell us the rules. But we watch them and they break those rules all the time. Causes cognitive dissonance on a global scale. Mass disillusionment in all government systems.

    Money is part of that system. People start to say, hey, the rules are lies, money wealth and status are just bullshit distractions, I'm gonna go paint a sunset and take a nap instead of... Work 80 hours for slave wages.

    I mean I looked at the system and instantly opted out. I retired at 39 because I saw the system was stupid and ran out the door as soon as I figured out where they hid it.

    Sorry for rambling!

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Stop using AI to generate trash if this upsets you.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago* (10 children)

    Besides the last one, you're literally describing the way business works.

    the reason pbj sammich cost so much is because people are buying pb & j on their credit card to put on bread they haven't bought yet to make pbj sammiches that don't exist yet, etc that's just how shit works.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I mean, very few people buy peanut butter that hasn’t been manufactured yet.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    But lots of things can be pre ordered before they're actually available.

    Services are an obvious example: I can buy tickets to a movie or a live event that will happen at some point in the future. Same with really any tickets or prepaid reservations, like plane tickets or hotel reservations or certain types of restaurant reservations.

    But it can happen with all sorts of consumer goods, too. I can put in orders for stuff to be made to order: handmade/custom jewelry or shirts or mugs or commissioned artwork, a pizza that won't be made until I order it, etc.

    For businesses, their supply chains require advance planning and ordering. The people who make peanut butter generally have the peanuts ordered before the start of the growing season, so they're buying peanuts that might not have been planted yet. The grocery store chain might be buying peanut butter before it's made.

    When pork futures prices drop low enough, McDonald's will snatch up those contracts and take delivery of a bunch of pork to make McRibs and make them available for a limited time. At the time they buy the contracts (that is, order the pork), the pigs might not even be alive yet, much less slaughtered and processed.

    None of this is defending the memory contracts, but the idea of buying things in the future is pretty common in the economy.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    The peanut butter you buy a month from now hasn't been manufactured yet but the grocery store already has their order in. The grocery store is borrowing money to pay wages for shifts that haven't been worked yet. The peanut butter manufacturer is placing orders to peanut farms for peanuts that haven't been harvested yet. The shipping truck manufacturer is putting in orders for tires, wheels, locking mechanisms, and trailers that don't exist yet, so on and so forth for almost everything in the supply chain.

    No great injustice, just business as usual.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    β€œPutting in orders” is not the same as β€œbuying”.

    The peanut butter I buy in a month hasn’t been manufactured, and if it’s not there in a month I’m not buying it.

    The grocery store might be borrowing money but they’re not paying wages for hours that haven’t been worked. They’re doing their best to not even pay wages for hours that have been worked.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The peanut butter example might be overly simplistic, especially because it compares b2c to b2b, but other than that the original point is actually correct.

    In B2B it's very common to order things before they are manufactured. If a company orders 100 new company cars, it's very rare that the car dealership (or even the car manufacturer) has all 100 of them on their yard, ready to be taken away.

    Especially when you are talking about large-scale b2b purchasing, it's very common that orders are taken months or even years in advance.

    And here we aren't even talking about regular "my company needs to buy 100 RAM sticks to upgrade the laptops", but we are talking about manufacturing deals. They always order stuff like RAM chips way in advance, even if only to secure reliable and predictable pricing and availability.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)
    • Be company
    • Need RAM
    • RAM no exist
    • Order RAM, guarantee payment on delivery. Capital set aside. This order is a contract. It's not Amazon. 5, 6, 7 digit deals being made.
    • RAM gets made. Capacity, materials, labor set aside to make RAM, not random guy (sad). Capacity/capital assigned to my RAM not available for sad guy.
    • RAM exist, delivered. Exchange occurs. I got RAM, they got money. Sad guy still no RAM.
    • I put RAM in systems that don't exist yet that were ordered by AI company for a data center that doesn't exist yet. Sad guy still no RAM.
    • Sad guy never had a chance to get the RAM. Assumes he has a right to RAM, memes on Reddit so that guy can download it and post it on Lemmy. Still no RAM, though.
    • Another guy pretends to not understand this and takes peanut butter analogy literally even though it is obviously oversimplified. Probably sad about no RAM.
    • Guy realizes that all of modern commerce is based on promises of payment for things that don't exist yet that become inputs for things that don't exist yet. Guy realizes that optimization of this system is the primary concern of modern manufacturing engineering and is the basis of just-in-time manufacturing and LEAN manufacturing in general.

    If the peanut butter isn't there, you won't buy it. But everyone in the peanut butter supply chain is behaving as though it will be on the shelf when you need it.

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  • What if AGI is out there, and this is it manipulating tech bros to secure resources for it?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    We need computing hardware added into the Onion Futures Act

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Well that's how the economy works, stupid!

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    That's old.

    And it's not like all our "normal" economy isn't similar.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I read this in a super fast voice

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Ideally this should encourage more makers to get into the market since there's demand but the start up costs in these cases are prohibitive.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago

    I get the sentiment, but man the post is just so dumb.

    Look at this guy, trying to buy a painting of himself that hasn't even been painted yet.

    Oh you think that's dumb? The painter wanted to buy paint that hasn't even been mixed!

    Incredible... and I bet the pigment tradesman hasn't even created those specific pigments yet.

    Man, people are so stupid!

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    [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    The demand is there, it's just naive to think we are the target. We are not the ones that are going to consume it.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    But we are the targets. They want regular consumers to use it daily so their stats go up and they have they get a moralic high ground. But their metrik are based on unrealistic thinking

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    Who need the power of those datacenters are all the big companies running more advanced analytics on us. Be prepared to see global dynamic pricing. Checking your cookies to increase price of flights and hotels because you've been looking at them for too long is the past, they are going to correlate all your digital footprint and your fingerprint history to define your identity regardless of IP and login and see if you just got promoted, are on high spirits, or on dire need of an item, and surge its prices everywhere because they are going to be selling this service to all platforms... and we better not even think about the services they are going to be selling to governments, what we have right now is scary enough.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    If the demand is for business use cases... its more so that yes the demand is there, or at least was, but the returns are not.

    Every industry projection of productivity gains from implementing LLMs into their businesses was wildly, wildly overestimsating how much it would actually help any given business.

    So its basically all a massive leveraged bet on the idea that LLMs will be able to usefully automate tasks that used to be done by people... but for the most part, it can't.

    And that's partially because the capabilities of LLMs are absurdly overhyped, and partially because most businesses internal software set up is a clusterfuck nightmare of smashed together contractor modules and services that barely works, because management tells developers to just keep putting bandaids on things snd writing spaghetti code, never letting them do a proper refactor/restructure.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Hum... If they somehow achieved AGI in the next 6 months, they would be perfectly profitable.

    Profits are not at all mathematically impossible. They still wouldn't by "high-risk VC style" profits, but they would be securely above than "investing in dividend business" territory (or securely within that territory for OpenAI).

    Anyway, all they need to do is to create one of the hardest sci-fi concepts that are actually possible, and that none of them has no idea where to even start from.

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