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[–] 223 points 8 months ago (49 children)

Anyway, I was suspecting that this "issue" might come up so I've removed the Claude co-authorship from the commits a few days ago. So good luck figuring out what's generated and what is not.

Great way to torpedo any trust people might’ve had in your project.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    "Haha now you won't know what is or isn't slop!!"

    "But then we'll just assume it's all slop..."

    "...D'oh!!!"

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  • [–] 75 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Oh you don't like to know when we put shit in your food so you can scrutinize it? Fine we'll just not tell you.

    Congratz now ALL of it contains shit.

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  • [+] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)
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  • [+] -30 points 8 months ago (34 children)

    They are making the point that you won't be able to tell the difference. & It's a salient one.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Even if that were true, which it isn't, there are plenty of other reasons to scrutinize any use of "generative" AI.

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  • [+] -9 points 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Like that it produces hallucinated bullshit and anyone can see that with any given 2-3 Google searches now. It's literally impossible to miss that if you use the Internet now.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not a fanboi of AI, but also not all AI is equally capable. You can be upset for ethical reasons, you can dislike some things it produces for style reasons, and yes it does sometimes produce code that feels like it should work, even though it doesn't. All of these things are true.

    But also Claude doing coding is very different than the AI answers on Google searches, and even those are much better than a cherry-picked highlight reel of bad results on a blog post.

    Again, you don't have to like AI or agree with its use, but claiming the code Claude produces is fully bullshit because some customer support chatbot does a bad job is just being misinformed. You should at least know your enemy and its capabilities.

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  • [+] 55 points 8 months ago (28 children)
  • [+] -33 points 8 months ago (27 children)

    Okay. I guess you want the volunteer open source dev to write everything by hand from scratch so it will pass your high standards. That's on you, honestly.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (24 children)

    Ahh yes, how dare a community run and funded project have community accountability.

    The project has several ways of being community funded.

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  • [+] -40 points 8 months ago (23 children)

    Accountability for what!? You people have lost your minds.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (21 children)

    Are YOU the dev in question, or do you just have an unreasonably huge boner for AI?

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  • [+] -13 points 8 months ago* (20 children)

    I happen to agree w the developer that peoples' problem w AI is actually a problem w Capitalism

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    You sound even more like the dev in question. To quote an excerpt from his post:

    There are massive issues with AI tech, but those are caused by our current capitalist culture, not the tools themselves. In many ways, it couldn't have been implemented in a worse way but it was AI that bought all the RAM, it was OpenAI. It was not AI that stole copyrighted content, it was Facebook. It wasn't AI that laid off thousands of employees, it's deluded executives who don't understand that this tool is an augmentation, not a replacement for humans.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Well, you are making up head cannon. Check my profile, there's a Pixelfed link. I'm an artist not an engineer.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (8 children)

    I'm just telling you what you sound like. I checked your profile, gotta love the number of submissions that have characters that have one too many fingers. You are about as much as an artist as me walking down the street and paying an actual street artist to tell him what he should draw, except you aren't even paying a struggling street artist...? (well, you know if you are or aren't, anyway)

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    Look, as annoying as this guy is, I am pretty sure he drew these himself. I think I am usually pretty good at spotting AI and his profile doesn't raise any flags for me. Of course I could be wrong, but just by the fact that these are often photographed pieces of paper makes me think it's real.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    Maybe you are right, it really was only one submission I found suspect, and it could be due to style, but AI is also increasingly difficult to discern. The paper says nothing, that's just a border style:

    Regardless, I'm still just describing what he sounds like, and sounding like that is what made me suspicious enough to try to check his other claims. Not sure why someone who is an artist would try to defend hiding AI usage, given they are being much more targeted and affected by generative AI.

    At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, he knows if he drew it or not and my deeply nested comment will be lost to time, but I would be sus of not just him, but any "artist" that sounds like they are excessively defending generative AI use. Edited my original comment somewhat tho.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    Omg this shit is ludicrous. Are you baby brained?

    I don't use pencils to draft my work (penciling). I do this intentionally b/c I am a trained printmaker & back in the day (think sixteenth century) when making intaglio prints (that means on copper plates), there was no way to erase so they etched balls-to -the-wall style, mistakes & all.

    I spent a long time learning to create line art w/o using pencil b/c I wanted to create that same weird, not-quite-right look that intaglio prints have.

    I'm not sure why I'm bothering explaining myself b/c I am not in the habit of doing so but, goddamn, get a fucking hobby then maybe you won't feel so threatened by AI.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

    Honestly, I don't care, it looks like shit to me (to each his own). I was just telling you what your argument sounded like, and showing how much more sus I am of artists who defend AI. Lots of words, but you've just joined the ranks of the people selling themselves as artists who are just selling printed AI slop. You'll be the one to know for sure, but I don't know what else to say, you are the one who unnecessarily brought it into the reply chain so you could throw shade on yourself ... Goo goo, gaga?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    So, you're a simpleton. Noted.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    thats not nice. also, capitalism is the problem.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Capitalism is A problem, and a big one, but "AI" has a slew of problems unique to it. Furthermore, I didn't come here to be nice.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    well, maybe you should be nice.

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    [–] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I just removed Lutris and tried out Bottles last night. How have I never tried it before? It’s so good!

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  • [+] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I don’t think the dev of Lutris is an insane twat waffle. He and I just disagree on the use of AI code. I foresee the project’s quality declining because of it, and I’d prefer to jump ship now. Lutris wasn’t a big part of my system, so it was really easy. Basically I only ever used it to run WinSCP on Linux.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not gonna lie, Lutris is fucking terrible. Basic QOL things are missing. There's so many disjointed ways of doing so many things. The same 2-5 things need to be set every time you add an app and it's basically all manual because they have done nothing to make it better. There's thousands and switches and options, and the only way to find information about what they do is to hit the web... and then you find out so many of them are probably useless.

    There's built in install scripts for things but trying to figure out any information about them within the program itself is also useless.

    Then there's the shit that just doesn't work. Other tools like Heroic Games Launcher are the only way to install games from providers like epic. You can spend hours troubleshooting this in Lutris, and maybe even get an epic game to install and run once... but everything is going to be a broken mess on try 2.

    Just a disappointing app all around once you really start working with it. It's a shame it seems to be the default mode wine app manager.

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  • [–] 59 points 8 months ago

    Having read the article, some points from the dev make sense, but also he acted like a princess by the end, so a bit of a messy situation.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Oh poop, been using lutris and it was pretty good at what it was doing for me. What might be alternatives though?

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  • [+] -8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I just fucking install my games like normal with wine if needed.

    What is wrong with people that you can't install something and add a .desktop entry on your system?

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I simply can't take the one-prefix-fits-all approach. Some games play way nicer with older wine versions (especially 32bit games. From the top of my head, The Sims 1 works better for me with Wine 8). A prefix manager is really helpful for managing prefixes with different wine versions that don't clog up the rest of the system.

    But go off being an ass, I guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I use wine with winetricks for the manager and the other stuff that makes it easier. I also use q4wine. It's a GUI for wine written in Qt. Both makes things simpler to varying degrees, and winetricks does have some scripts (though I don't know how they would compare to lutris)

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago*

    Lutris furfils several roles that a bunch of .desktop entries will not.

    • Its a list of games
    • you can search it by title
    • you can tag them
    • you can sort them in different ways
    • you can use wine for some launches, proton for others or native

    although i don't use it, you can log into your steam account (i think also gog?) to get access to games from there.

    Think of it, as a more of a plex/jellyfin library for games than a bunch of video files spread around your hdd. I don't want to remember which games are wine friendly and which need proton or are linux native.

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  • [–] 103 points 8 months ago

    "You didn't like what I was doing? No fucking problem I'll just lie about it moving forward"

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    If you really care, I feel like most folks would benefit from checking out

    https://plasma-bigscreen.org/

    Installing games on linux, even with wine, isnt that hard.

    And adding a .desktop entry isnt hard either.

    Plasma Bigscreen then nicely gives you a controller friendly UI to pick games from.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Lutris has always been a pain in the ass to use. Nothing I set up worked properly. Manually setting things up via Proton has worked just fine for me, so nothing of value was lost with this fiasco.

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    Never used that shit.

    "Add non-Steam game"

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That is generally the approach I use, but some games take a bit more setup. I play StarCraft2 for Archipelago and I needed to install it with this app to get the proper script to get it to run successfully. What this app has that Steam doesn't is the ability for people to create, export, and share custom install and launch profiles for others to use.

    With that said I will need to see what Heroic Launcher has to offer.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago

    Uninstalled, bye bye ai slop.

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  • [+] 27 points 8 months ago* (16 children)
  • [+] -6 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    The way y'all overuse the word "slop" is like calling all e-mail "spam." Both are supposed to refer to a deluge of nonsense nobody asked for. This author has an LLM in-the-loop, plainly on purpose and with purpose, and it seems to be working out.

    If any interaction with spicy autocomplete is treated as equally bad, to the point of aggressive mockery - no kidding people will tune that out. It's not constructive or sincere. It borders on abusive. How much coverage did this guy just get, where the comments are all 'well if he'd just done [blank]--,' and how many people actually believe that [blank] would result in fewer snide comments?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Spicy auto complete is fantastic, I love it

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    I mean, also the spice if we're being honest

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    No reason to hide the Claude contributions if his reasoning isn't flawed. Honestly, my biggest beef is using AI as a subscription service, there are plenty of local LLM alternatives, and that just feeds the incentive for the web crawlers currently assaulting the Internet, for the companies also tucking in surveillance and training on your use of their AI.

    Honestly, it can save you having to search through wordy API documentation, as long as you bother to make sure to make sure you end up knowing the hows and whys of what it is presenting you and whether it is good programming methodology. In a lot of ways it is no different and even faster than having to search for the answers through support forums and stack overflow. It might be built upon IP theft, but unfortunately in practical terms, you will be at a disadvantage against people that use it, so you might as well use it in a way that does not give them any way to profit off of it (Local LLMs). I'd argue that the case against these applications of generative AI is way different than those for image and video generation.

    The biggest problem is when developers begin to depend on it too much without learning the nuance, but it would be a lie if there aren't a lot of developers who contribute to Open Source without really bothering to familiarize with it already and who are more interested in the end goal than best practices. Not sure if this will make the problem better or worse, but devs who use AI without bothering to learn will have a hell of a time providing proper maintenance for their code.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Not disagreeing with you, but Anthropic believes code is the path to AGI.

    I want to be clear so somebody doesn't have a fit - I do not personally believe LLMs are capable of AGI. But this isn't about what I believe.

    They believe that coding is the path because it's verifiable and a generatable. Frontier AI companies aren't training on the global internet anymore, it's poisoned with AI slop. Non-frontier AI companies do, we've all seen it. But it's my opinion that non frontier AI companies are basically all but irrelevant (I'm not talking about open source/hugging face). Anthropic knows this, and their idea (again, not mine, don't get mad at me please!) is that by training on code their AI will get better at non-coding activities as well, and if they make it good enough at coding it'll become truly intelligent in all ways.

    What I'm getting at is, there's lots of good reasons to avoid using LLMs/AIs/Companies that shove ai down my throat (looking at you Microsoft- I don't fucking want copilot in my fucking notepad - if anybody from MS is reading this fuck your AI in everything and fuck your AI ridden operating system), but local LLMs are not a replacement for Opus and Anthropic isn't scraping the open internet anymore. I'm sure they did at first though.

    The biggest problem is when developers begin to depend on it too much without learning the nuance I couldn't agree more. The brain is like a muscle, if you use it, it gets stronger. If you don't, it gets weaker. "Vibe" coding is using your brain at a minimum, and if all you do is vibe out slop you're not really learning much.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    local LLMs are not a replacement for Opus

    https://www.bitdoze.com/best-open-source-llms-claude-alternative/

    Something tells me you haven't even made the effort. They are not that good, in the same way that LibreOffice is not as good as Excel. But if you are going to make the argument you quote, then you can work that brain muscle and adapt.

    And they aren't training off of the Internet because they are training on your input. It's mind-boggling to me how some people are so willing to train their replacements while also paying them for the effort to do so for an advantage set very temporary in the future we are heading. A lot of your criticism doesn't even apply to local LLMs - either they are trained by model distillation from more advances models or because they are images temporally set in stone. It's also telling how implicitly willing you seem to be able to let the Internet burn, because the inevitability is becoming a corporate slave and accepting their ever increasing subscription fees which you can't ignore because "hey, they've got the most users, the Internet is too dead, your open alternatives are no replacements for us". You say you are not, but you are saying everything an AI AGI astrosurfer would be saying, and the irony of hearing this in an open source "federated" platform over something like Reddit is paramount.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I could have worded that differently, I apologize.

    They aren't a replacement for somebody like me who doesn't have a screaming GPU.

    Yes they train on input. I don't like it either. It's not just creepy, but I'm sure breaks privacy laws everywhere.

    Regardless, you've already decided who I am so I don't see this conversation being productive.

    I again apologize for not making my previous comment more straightforward.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Oh, I don't think I know who you are, I just think it's indiscernible.

    They aren’t a replacement for somebody like me who doesn’t have a screaming GPU.

    You can run small LLMs that are still surprisingly good purely on modern CPUs, although I'm sure that's part of the intent of trying to lock down supplies behind the bubble.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Sorry but it’s not even slightly comparable.

    Frontier models vs whatever you can realistically host on your own that is.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children)

    That you don't want to or aren't able to compare them doesn't mean they can't be compared. You do you, or more aptly, have an AI do you since you can't bother.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's only slop if you don't know what you're doing and/or are using low quality tools. But I have over 30 years of programming experience and use the best tool currently available. It was tremendously helpful in helping me catch up with everything I wasn't able to do last year because of health issues / depression.

    It sounds like they thought it through and decided it's the best way to do the work. Removing the attributions seems like a little bit of a petty "fuck you", but so is opening a github issue just to whine about AI. Someone who is volunteering their time to make free software shouldn't have to put up with people with an ideological bone to pick who feel entitled to tell them how.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Then they can ignore the issue just like plenty of other troll ones that devs ignore. He actually had to invest effort into doing what he did than just ignoring it, never mind how that Barbara Streissanded it . Honestly would have been better for the guy if he wasn't doing advertising for Claude by letting it mark the parts of the code it had coauthored, but once the cat is out of the bag you can't just take something like that back. I agree that if people really have a problem with it, then they should just fork and do it on their own time, but you have to expect public criticism if you do things in the public, otherwise don't.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago

    I'll be uninstalling tonight.

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