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[–] 231 points 8 months ago (11 children)

So now when I spin up a VM at my sysadmin job I have to tell the server I'm an adult? Does anyone actually know what the fuck we are doing here? What an absolute clown show.

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  • [–] 158 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    This is what happens when boomers never die and stay in office for a lifetime. They don’t understand technology but are allowed to make the laws that govern their use.

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago

    Nha boomers are not the cause for this shit. Smart ass marketeers and tech bro pushing for more precise target identification and thus more reach for them are to blame. And those I stumble upon are definitely on the younger side.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They don’t understand technology

    Considering most said technology was built by boomers... yeah sure, buddy.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    You're confusing GenX with Boomers - the explosion in Tech was in the 90s, not the 70s.

    Even then, most GenX weren't involved in Tech since when they learned how to use it, it wasn't yet normalized and widespread, so only really people who found such things interesting went for it and generally the personality type of those attracted to power over others is almost the opposite of the personality type of those attracted to solving problem which are expressed in strict and complex logical structures (for example programming languages or electronics designs).

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    You’re confusing GenX with Boomers - the explosion in Tech was in the 90s, not the 70s.

    Indeed it "exploded" in the 90s but was established in the 60s.
    Personality types seem to be spot on.
    Regardless, shoehorning whole generations is just... unproductive. Unless you're claming GenXers are cool, then you're correct.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    Does anyone actually know what the fuck we are doing here?

    Obviously not, no.

    You're a sysadmin... you should know this.

    You're the person who has to actually think through the results of other people's decisions.

    That's your job, lol.

    Other people get paid to make decisions, not think about them.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Other people get paid to make decisions, not think about them.

    And ofc they don't suffer any consequences for making bad decisions.

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  • [–] 268 points 8 months ago (27 children)

    Simple solution. From now on Linux distros should ship with a big message "NOT FOR USE IN CALIFORNIA".

    You want to force age verification? No server in all of California will run. Period.

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  • [–] 73 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    "My name is Microsoft, and I approved this message."

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Microsoft's own servers run Linux. An in-house build IIRC named Azure Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (10 children)

    And there's nothing keeping them from adding it themselves for their own in-house use & profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)

    What does that have to do with anything?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    If the only server OS legally capable of running in CA is Microsoft's - be it Windows, or their particular spin of Linux - guess who's gonna sop up all that government contract money?

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    And why would this particular law exempt Azure Linux only and specifically?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    Wow, I've really got to spell it out for you, huh? Azure Linux will not be exempt - Microsoft will add the required routines to it, and if they are the only ones to do so, then they soak up the server market in CA.

    ETA: I doubt that will wind up being the case as other commercial vendors will not want to be left behind, but we were discussing the theoretics.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    So you literally got mad at a made-up scenario in your head?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Please point out where I got "mad."

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    When you acted exasperated at having to explain something, for example. Or now, asking for proof that you were mad. These things are not done in normal, polite conversation.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Well, you're obviously either not terribly well-grounded in reality considering how many times I was patient enough to answer what was effectively the same question - never mind that it's perfectly reasonable to ask for proof when accused of something, or more likely you're a poor excuse for a troll. Either way, I've got better things to do than feed whatever your neurotic issue is, so I'll be blocking you. Good luck with finding the mental health assistance you obviously are in need of.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah..... It says just that in the article. You did read the article, right? I mean you didn't just read the title and then rush in here to make a comment?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Where, pray tell? Out of curiosity I went there to check it out, and the "article" is just 3 paragraphs that just barely expand on the title. Maybe uBlock is triggering some invisible paywall there for me?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Whose age do they want on the server? The admins? Whoever staged it? Lol. Sure. Jan 1 1970.

    Do I need to put my birthdate onto my firewalls?

    Ooh are all enterprise firewalls going to start coming with CISA filters pre-enabled? Gotta protect those kids!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Supposedly the age verification thing that's needed is the equivalent to a porn site verification. Just enter a birthday that's in the 1800s, and you're set. This is still a bad direction to go towards though, as it'll set precedent for future bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    There is nothing that's "needed". Its an OS not some demonic construct. It should also be noted that teens will be impacted in it as well - all minors. All this age gating, discriminatory behaviour is eating us alive. Age verification should not exist at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Exactly. Today you can enter Jan 1 1800 and it will take it. That's not the problem.

    The real problem is the precedence it sets. An asinine rule gets passed and companies adhere to it, meaning they are enforcers.

    Tomorrow when laws require real verification, like ID scan then they've already agreed to be the gate keeper for said asinine laws. It's harder to back out at that point.

    It's all surveillance and it should be stopped.

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  • [–] 98 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    uhhh. So would I need to get everyone who uses the household pc to verify age? Whats stopping a child from using the family pc that was age verified by an adult?

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Clearly the point is not tl verify the age. They want your data.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    They explicitly don't:

    The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age, setting AB 1043 apart from similar laws passed in Texas and Utah that require "commercially reasonable" verification methods, such as government-issued ID checks. Assemblymember Buffy Wicks, who authored the bill, said this "avoids constitutional concerns by focusing strictly on age assurance, not content moderation," in a press release. The bill passed both chambers unanimously, 76-0 in the Assembly and 38-0 in the Senate.">

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  • [–] 93 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Our president is fucking children, and you're telling me I gotta verify my date of birth to run Linux, in the name of "Protecting the Children"?

    Get the fuck outta here.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    You're antifa if you run Linux anyway.

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  • [–] 71 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Why not parents responsible for their own goddamn kids? Stop interfering with the rest of our privacy for this bullshit. Parental controls have existed for decades. Fucking use them.

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Because this isn't about parenting or children, it's about a creeping surveillance state

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The new California republic seems to be the only people who see this coming

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    ... That is literally what this law does.

    When a parent creates the account for their child they specify the age. If the parent decides to lie or circumvent the system and it affects their child then they would be fined.

    Just to be clear the law itself says absolutely nothing about actually verifying the age.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    It also makes it mandatory to include this feature in every OS. It means you'll be sending telemetry about who you are to anyone that wants it and you don't have a choice. Fuck that. I don't have kids, there's no reason I should have to use an OS with this shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    The law actually has a specific provision preventing both os providers and developers from sending your information to whoever they want.

    And the OS is only allowed to send the minimum information that is required. Ie. your age bracket.

    Send only the minimum amount of information necessary to comply with this title and shall not share the digital signal information with a third party for a purpose not required by this title.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Wake me when that actually leads to enforcement penalties. This law is vague enough as it is, no company is going to get slammed for "accidentally" skipping a user permission check, and having their FunPad app offer up your age info to one of Palantir's long fingers.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Laws don't prevent anything unless they are enforced. If the bill doesn't also include how this will all be audited and incredibly harsh penalties for violating it that part might as well be toilet paper. I don't care how minimal the data I'm sending them is. I want that amount to be 0. It doesn't benefit me to give them anything so I shouldn't be forced to do it.

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  • [–] 68 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Enforcement against Linux distributions, however, is likely to be problematic. Distros like Arch, Ubuntu, Debian, and Gentoo have no centralized account infrastructure, with users downloading ISOs from mirrors worldwide, and can modify source code freely. These small distros lack legal teams or resources to implement the required API, so a more realistic outcome for non-compliant distros is a disclaimer that the software is not intended for use in California.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's what MidnightBSD did.

    California residents are not authorized to use MidnightBSD for desktop use in the state of California effective January 1, 2027. California law CA AB1043 requires a complex age verification system implemented for operating systems with no exceptions for small open source projects. At this time, we don't have development time or a plan in place for this.

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  • [–] 67 points 8 months ago (29 children)

    You guys are asking the wrong questions.

    How is Linux going to do this? There's no server for the os to send the information to report the age of its users, no way of forcing its user base to comply and no single person or entity to fine, arrest or otherwise force into compliance.

    They made a law they cannot enforce.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Or they made a law to attempt to ban operating systems with free software licenses.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    But that's the thing you can't ban them.

    It's just software that's freely available. There's no one corporate entity that controls Linux. Anybody can literally make a distro for it make notation for it illegal for California and be done with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    But they can fine every single developer of every single application. Sure, a lot of people won’t be in the jurisdiction of the state of California, but there are a hell of a lot of developers who are.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Linux is not a company. There is no CEO of Linux sitting in Sacramento waiting for instructions. It is a decentralized, global, open source ecosystem. If one U.S.-based distro tried to bolt on age verification, someone would fork it almost immediately and strip it out. You cannot age gate software that people can freely download, modify, compile, and redistribute.

    From a technical standpoint, what would this even look like? Government ID verification at the kernel level? A biometric scan before you can run apt update? A centralized identity server for Arch users? That runs directly against how Linux is designed. The ecosystem prioritizes privacy, user control, and minimal centralized telemetry. Age verification requires centralized identity services, persistent user binding, and logging. Those models do not align. Even if someone tried, it would be trivial to bypass. VPN, foreign mirror, alternative distro. Done. You cannot meaningfully regulate something that is globally mirrored and open source.

    And this law is aimed at online services and platforms anyway. The harms legislators are worried about do not originate in your bootloader. They happen on social media platforms and content services. The operating system is simply the wrong choke point.

    The only places where age verification is realistically enforceable are platforms, app stores, and tightly controlled commercial device ecosystems. Not a globally distributed kernel maintained by volunteers across multiple jurisdictions. The idea that Linux is going to meaningfully comply in a way that changes outcomes is technologically naive. At best you get some compliance language from U.S. commercial vendors. At worst you get symbolic features that any moderately technical user can remove in minutes.

    That is not how open systems work. Pretending otherwise just advertises a lack of understanding of the architecture being regulated.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (3 children)

    I am fully aware of the open source ecosystem. I have contributed to dozens of projects, including the linux kernel, CPython, Perl, and others.

    It’s astonishingly obvious that you haven’t bothered to read the bill at all and are just spewing nonsense. Take ten minutes and then pull your head out of your ass.

    Sections 1798.501.b, 1798.502.a and b. Every developer of every application that can be downloaded from every website, platform and package system MUST request your age bracket every time it is downloaded. And every time it is launched.

    Thats every application, from ‘ls’ to World of Warcraft. Thats every place on the internet that hosts software packages. It doesn’t matter if you feel like it is only aimed at “online services and platforms “ or “social media platforms and content services”.

    It is written to cover everything that runs on a computer that can be downloaded and the places that host them. PyPI, crates.io, flathub, Debian mirrors, everything.

    And that’s every individual developer who lives in or visits CA.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    You’re invoking contributions to the Linux kernel, CPython, and Perl as if that settles the matter, but you have been conspicuously vague about what that actually means. Those projects accept everything from typo fixes to deep subsystem work. If you want that credential to carry argumentative weight, specify what you worked on. Kernel networking stack? Filesystems? A CPython PEP? Core interpreter changes? Because right now it reads like résumé seasoning, not authority.

    More importantly, your statutory interpretation is maximalist to the point of implausibility.

    You are asserting that Sections 1798.501(b) and 1798.502(a)-(b) require every application binary, including local utilities like ls, to request an age bracket at download and at launch. That is an extraordinary claim. If true, it would not just affect “platforms.” It would upend global software distribution infrastructure including mirrors, package repositories, container registries, and academic hosts.

    Where in the definitions does the statute eliminate business thresholds? Where does it explicitly define a standalone executable with no network component as a regulated “online service”?

    Where does it impose a per-launch runtime obligation on locally executed software?

    Statutory scope hinges on defined terms. If you are correct, quote the operative definitions that extend coverage to every distributed binary and every individual developer who merely visits California. Because that is not a narrow reading. That is a reading that would trigger immediate Commerce Clause litigation.

    You may very well have contributed to major opens source projects. That does not make your legal interpretation automatically sound. Right now you are asserting universal coverage without walking through the definitional cross-references that would be required to sustain that position.

    If the text truly says what you claim, show the definitional chain. Otherwise this looks less like careful statutory analysis and more like an overextended reading fueled by frustration.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    From TFB:

    First, from the LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

    The bill would require a developer to request a signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the application is downloaded and launched. This bill would punish noncompliance with a civil penalty to be enforced by the Attorney General, as prescribed.

    That's not an encouraging start. Of course, that's not the bill itself just the official summary, so we will need to dig in deeper.

    At the beginning of the bill proper, there are some definitions, emphasis mine.

    Section 1798.500

    (c) “Application” means a software application that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device that can access a covered application store or download an application.

    There are no business threshold or network capability requirements for the application (though there is one for the computer, sorta). It's simply anything that may run on a computer. 'ls' definitely qualifies as an application per this definition. This is a pretty reasonable definition of 'application', even if it is a bit circular. We could also have quite a conversation about what counts as a “other general purpose computing device”, but it isn’t defined here.

    (e) (1) “Covered application store” means a publicly available internet website, software application, online service, or platform that distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers to users of a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing that can access a covered application store or can download an application. (2) “Covered application store” does not mean an online service or platform that distributes extensions, plug-ins, add-ons, or other software applications that run exclusively within a separate host application.

    PyPI, a Debian mirror, crates.io and GitHub qualify as a "covered application store". Pip and cargo are an "software application" that "distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers to users of a computer" so they are as well. Depending on case law curl, rsync and scp might also, though the 'distributes' qualifier may exempt them. Oddly, browser add-ons are probably exempt due to (e)(2). And there may be a grey area around things like VMs. A purely personal website that only has software developed by that person probably doesn't qualify due to the 'third-party' qualifier. Again, there is no business threshold listed.

    (f) “Developer” means a person that owns, maintains, or controls an application.

    Again, a fairly straightforward definition, that would apply to anyone who maintains any "software application that may be run or directed by a user on a computer, a mobile device" per 1798.500.c.

    So, we've got that developer is a simple definition that basically matches what one would expect, as does application. Covered application store is probably broader than one would expect, and has an odd carve out, but covers most modern software distribution channels. I guess it might not cover sending CDs in the mail.

    Then we get to a single simple sentence:

    Section 1798.501

    (b) (1) A developer shall request a signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the application is downloaded and launched.

    It's a really simple sentence that can be really easy to gloss over. But read it again. Maybe you could argue that it only applies the first time an application is run. But it absolutely applies when it is downloaded. There are no exceptions listed, no threshold tests, no "social media applications only". This applies to all applications, all developers, and all "covered application stores". Now CA jurisdiction doesn't cover downloads from outside of CA, but it does cover anyone downloading something inside of CA, or someone living in CA. So if a kid in CA downloads something from a outside of CA, the developer is in violation even if they are outside of CA. CA may not have the resources or desire to track down every developer outside of the state, but if they so choose they would be able to file a claim in the same way that CA can file claims on foreign people who violate other laws that involve CA victims, such as fraud.

    Finally, there is this bit: 1798.504

    (f) This title does not apply to any of the following: (3) The delivery or use of a physical product.

    So, it looks like it doesn't apply to CDs in the mail.

    Edit:

    Of course, I forgot to talk about the penalty. Maybe there is something in there?

    1798.503

     (a) A person that violates this title shall be subject to an injunction and liable for a civil penalty of not more than two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500) per affected child for each negligent violation or not more than seven thousand five hundred dollars ($7,500) per affected child for each intentional violation, which shall be assessed and recovered only in a civil action brought in the name of the people of the State of California by the Attorney General.

    Nope, no exceptions or commercial clauses. It just applies to anyone. And paragraph b?

    (b) An operating system provider or a covered application store that makes a good faith effort to comply with this title, taking into consideration available technology and any reasonable technical limitations or outages, shall not be liable for an erroneous signal indicating a user’s age range or any conduct by a developer that receives a signal indicating a user’s age range.

    Well, an OS provider or covered application store isn’t responsible for someone lying to them, tech failures, or the actions of a rogue developer. But developers have no such waiver.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Right. Everything you stated about is known fact and has been debated on multiple platforms and forums for weeks now.

    And I still contest that Linux will have no way to comply, no way to fine anyone and this law will have no way to be enforced for Linux.

    I have stayed my reasons multiple times in the above comments and I will not repeat them.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    How is Linux going to do this? There’s no server for the os to send the information to report the age of its users

    The law doesn't require sending the data anywhere, so that's not a problem.

    no way of forcing its user base to comply and no single person or entity to fine, arrest or otherwise force into compliance.

    The law doesn't require anything of users, it requires something of OS providers. OS providers have addresses and entities to fine.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    The law doesn't require anything of users, it requires something of OS providers.

    For a FOSS OS, any user with root access would be considered an "OS Provider" under the definitions provided in this law. With FOSS, there is no real distinction between "user" and "developer".

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    You are right, it just says whoever "controls the OS", which is very vague. Even without going to open source, a user still controls the OS even on Windows or macOS. To a lesser degree of course, but in the same way a driver controls a car even if they can't or won't try to modify it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    The windows user uses the OS. The windows user does not control the OS. They only have access to the functions that Microsoft has provided. The Attorney General of California won't be able to argue that the sysadmin is the OS Provider of a Windows installation. The OS Provider of Windows is Microsoft.

    The Attorney General of California would easily be able to argue that the OS Provider of a particular Linux instance is the sysadmin of that instance.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (4 children)

    They only have access to the functions that Microsoft has provided.

    And a user of Ubuntu only has access to the functions that Canonical has provided.

    Unless they have root access and modify the OS. Or they have administrator access on Windows and modify the OS. Which is the case for both by default. I don't really see the distinction. There is clearly a provider company behind both, and in both cases the user could add this age check functionality by themselves by installing an utility that provides it.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    And a user of Ubuntu only has access to the functions that Canonical has provided.

    That is not at all accurate.

    Administrator access to Windows is not at all comparable to root access on Linux. Windows "root" access is held solely by Microsoft, and granted only to Microsoft employees and contractors. They are the only ones with the capability of changing Microsoft's binary blobs.

    Canonical doesn't restrict root access. Everyone who installs Ubuntu has root access by default.

    Suppose Canonical adds this capability to Ubuntu. Suppose I take an Ubuntu install, and remove this capability. Who is the provider of the resulting OS, Canonical, or me? Obviously, I am responsible for the changes; I am obviously the OS Provider in this scenario.

    What I am saying is that I was the OS provider before I made the changes.

    Let's remember that the law distinguishes between the OS and Applications running on that OS. They require that the signalling apparatus be included in the OS. Technologically, the distinction between OS and Application is somewhat arbitrary. For commercial OSes, it's pretty simple: The OS is what Microsoft declares to be part of "Windows" is the OS; everything else is an application.

    Suppose Microsoft refuses to include this signaling apparatus. The end user cannot modify Windows, so does not become liable as the "OS Provider". The user can bolt on the functionality as an application, but cannot make it part of the OS. Microsoft is the one facing the fines under this law.

    For FOSS software, the end user's root access gives them the ability to add this signaling capability to the OS running on their machines, even if Canonical refuses to distribute a compliant OS. The user's ability to make their own OS compliant with California law makes them the party liable for non-compliance.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    What does the comparability of root/admin access change in this situation?

    Suppose Microsoft adds this capability to Windows, and you edit the registry to disable it. How is that any different?

    I can see the argument for something like iOS. But on Windows you would be able to add or remove such functionality. What is the difference that makes the user the OS Provider on Ubuntu but not on Windows, in your eyes?

    Let's say you own a computer store in California, you sell Windows laptops, and you setup your preinstalled Windows image with the registry edit made, because customers don't like the silly age prompt. How are you not the OS Provider?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    Suppose Microsoft adds this capability to Windows, and you edit the registry to disable it. How is that any different?

    By allowing the end user to change it instead of locking it down, they are not making a good faith effort to comply, and they lose their liability protection. To maintain their immunity, at the very least they will need to prohibit Californians from disabling the feature.

    Canonical is prohibited from adding comparable terms.

    I can see the argument for something like iOS.

    How is iOS any different from Windows here?

    Let's say you own a computer store in California, you sell Windows laptops, and you setup your preinstalled Windows image with the registry edit made, because customers don't like the silly age prompt. How are you not the OS Provider?

    Again, to maintain their immunity under this law, they would have to prohibit me from doing this in their licensing agreement. My violation is what protects Microsoft. I would, indeed, be the OS provider in that scenario.

    But in the scenario you describe, I'm not the end user.

    Neither Canonical nor I can include the same restrictive terms in our OS offerings. We can simply inform our users that the OS is not California compliant. Our users become their own OS Providers as soon as they decide to use them in California.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    All right, then your argument relies on the licensing difference, not any technical differences between Linux root / Windows admin or source code access. Which makes sense, but it's all hypothetical since neither company addressed this yet, either in the product or in the licensing.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    No addresses or entities tied to the distro respins I've made.

    That was not a requirement in the software license.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Great, but how does that help? 99.9% Linux users use a Linux distro that has, ay the very least, a website behind it, with a domain name, that has a registration info.

    That the 0.01% of people that use an OS only hosted by anonymous devs on a Russian website does not make this law any better for the rest of us.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Yes it fucking does. Go read the bill, particularly section 1798.501.b, 1798.502.a and b. Every developer of every application that can be downloaded from every package system MUST request your age bracket every time it is downloaded. And possibly every time it is launched. Basic utilities like ‘ls’ and ‘cat’, that pong example I pushed as a test, everything.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Me: It doesn't require anything of users

    You: Yes it does require something of developers

    ??

    You are correct, but how does that disagree with my comment?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry, I see that I was unclear.

    Yes it fucking does require sending the data somewhere, specifically to every "application store", which by their definition includes such things as Github, PyPI, Crates.io, Debian mirrors, apt/rpm repos, and personal websites that have hobby projects from more than one person.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago*

    Can you quote the relevant part of the bill? I don't see it. From what I'm reading:

    • The OS provider has to collect the age information from the user
    • The OS provider has to make the age information available to any app that asks for it
    • The developer of any app has to request the age information from either the OS or from an Application Store

    There is nothing about how the Application Store obtains the age information (presumably they mean something like Google Play or the App Store that already have the information about users and of course haven't considered anything else), and there is nothing about the OS sending the age anywhere other than an app running on it that asks for it.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    What if banning Linux is part of the Agenda? And what will they do for the servers? I am declaring my pc a server as of right now...

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    How do you want to do this? Linux is a kernel the world relies on. It powers your car, your fridge, your satellite, your phone, the entire Internet, the army, etc. Nothing comes close to Linux in market share. The distros are built upon the kernel. System76 may have to comply, but the other maintainers don't give a flying fuck. They could even write a small line somewhere on their repo that says "this distro is not allowed in California" and call it a day.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder if that "this distro is not allowed in California" approach is even compatible with the various free software licenses.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Terms of Use / Terms of Service are different from Licenses. That said, even if it was compatible that would be a good thing, as the impression I've got is that the "hard-liner" Free Software licenses are becoming a thing of the past now that what is needed is "Ethical Source" licenses, that eg.: restrict usage in AI.

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    [–] 57 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Despite signing it, Newsom issued a statement urging the legislature to amend the law before its effective date, citing concerns from streaming services and game developers about "complexities such as multi-user accounts shared by a family member and user profiles utilized across multiple devices."

    then why did you fucking sign it in the first place??

    words cannot describe the depths of my seething hatred for the complete, museum grade, massive piece of shit that is Gavin Newsom

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago*

    Because it's a metric, a bullet point, and campaign speech fodder. Newsome thinks of his position in terms of a career rather than an office, his job isn't to lead a nation towards what's right or wrong, it's to pander so that he can be re-elected or elected to higher office.

    The bullshit way that lobbying groups conduct polling and market research means they he's chronically out of touch and that his focus is on perpetuating his time in office so he can continue to "represent the people", making a calling out of bowing to the desires of the mis-informed, outraged, panicked mob he believes his electorate to be instead of actually having a spine and exercising good judgement.

    The consequences of shoddy legislation take second place to being able to declare he did something to "keep kids safe". It doesn't even have to work, all that matters is having something to wave around and back up that claim. Something to placate the plebeians and let him continue to do what he does best... listen to lobbyists who are lying about what people think.

    Why? Because that's what gets people elected these days. Despite being on a foundation of pure bullshit, somehow it works. So he goes along with it, encourages it, and remains in office as a result.

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