This is for the best. As someone who is forced to work with a lot of Microsoft infrastructure let me tell you things have never been this broken before. They keep doubling down on AI and it simply doesn't work.
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Microsoft is quietly sunsetting everything they cant make money on with AI.
So, everything?
It feels that way. Every ongoing product MS has feels decrepit and ready to collapse.
It's been a while since I used any MS product but I've got the same feeling with Google products. Weird bugs are starting to accumulate and at the same time they're cramming every corner with buttons for their new AI integrations, with no explanation of how they're supposed to work. It's a mess, the stuff they add in doesn't even respect the original app design so they're really starting to look like they're put together with toothpicks and duct tape.
They're still scamming the shit out of businesses with their corporate software. Oh and they have Azure which I'm guessing makes money.
Isn't it ironic? The only Microsoft product that makes money consistently is based on Linux.
Meanwhile, their biggest competitor is either Linux or UNIX. That is, if you accept that macOS "is UNIX." It's been UNIX certified for a couple years now, but it's UNIX in name only. While Steve Jobs' NeXTStep was based on UNIX, NeXTStep was also vapourware. Still, it became OS X which became the macOS we know and love (or hate) today. But the truth is, it's UNIX 3 certified, which is a decades-old certification, and it only just barely makes that. So it's a thing Mac users brag about. "A UNIX system! I know this!" Jurassic Park meme. And then of course there's Linux. And of course Windows has the Linux subsystem. Still, non-*nix is going the way of the dodo, just like Win9x did when Microsoft realised WinNT was the future. First with the tranwreck that was WinME, but much more importantly with WinXP. And NT was good, but its time is up (or will be soon).
Azure is by far their biggest money maker if I recall
They can’t even make money with their AI, they only survive off the windows OEM licenses, Office 365 subs that businesses are locked into and their backend server and sql stuff. That’s enough to make them a walking dead for a long time.
And eventually companies will hopefully start cancelling those subscriptions to move to Open Office or Libre Office.
France is already starting that push by having government departments transition first, and are projected to save millions of euros in licensing fees each year. Once you get a critical mass of users on libre software, it'll hopefully spread on its own
I love how corporations work.
"Hey, we completely fucked this up. We mishandled it, made decisions our customers hate, and now we're scrapping it because we might lose money.
"Could we fix it? Sure. But that would mean changing the business model that made us money 20 years ago, and that’s terrifying. There’s a risk we might lose money."
"And sure, the board won’t lose a dime personally. But the stockholders, basically meerkats who scatter at the first loud noise might panic. And we can’t have that. We might lose money."
I love how nobody here is getting me actual picture. They're not going to sell Xbox to people anymore. What's going to happen is they're going to turn to a subscriber model where you have to log into a data center that they control and use your browser to play video games. Paying a monthly subscription for the privilege of playing their exclusive games. In fact I will bet money that the first product that will be introduced with this feature is going to be the highly anticipated upcoming Grand Theft Auto 6.
Mark my words. Either at the time of release or shortly thereafter they're going to introduce the ability to subscribe to play GTA 6 in your browser on a remote gaming system. And then they're going to phase out physical Xbox systems over the next couple of years.
This has been tried before and never worked well. What makes you think its going to work any better now?
I even have a free controller google gave me when they tried it.
The only thing that makes me think it might work this time is that for some reason Microsoft has this magical ability to take a bad idea, make the shittiest possible iteration of it and have it mysteriously become the most widely-adopted standard against all logic.
It doesn't need to work well.
It needs to sound like it will make more money for MSFT's board.
You're approaching this from the angle of 'is this a sensible and sustsinable long term business strategy.'
Nobody cares!
They care about LINE GO UP BIG FAST NOW!
Microsoft Board: But Google lost so much money on Stadia!
Voice on speaker: but Google didnt have me, Bing.AI!
Microsoft Board: DONE. MAKE US RICH!
Stadia was still a system you buy. What I'm talking about here is having a browser based gaming system where any computer could be used to play games, for subscription price of course.
There are in fact currently places on the web that offer such services for Minecraft.
And I'll bet you anything they'll make the subscription price really low at first. Borrowing from the Netflix model... Then, once consoles and PCs have been outmoded and no one owns anything, they jack the price up.
Attitudes like that are not how we got a trillion dollars in spare data center infrastructure to find a use for!
Those consumers will be happy owning nothing THIS time!!
Oh man, those stadia controllers. Not the stupidest $99 I've ever spent, but still pretty dumb.
I saw a thread the other day, something like "What low-level conspiracies do you genuinely believe"; to which someone replied that they believe that OpenAI is being speedrun to bankruptcy in order for Microsoft to buy their data centres for pennies on the dollar.
And yeah, it all kinda seems that could be a credible outcome, at which point MS will have a huge amount of equipment all ready to serve game streaming to people who can no longer afford to buy a home computer to do the same.
Is it going to happen? shrug
Could it? Absolutely.
Doesn't remote gaming require everyone to have an unmetered and fast internet connection? There's still a lot of places where not everyone is that lucky.
It won’t be GTA6. It will be an exclusive title like a rebooted Halo or Gears of War. They can’t risk losing the money on GTA when people just go to PS5 and buy the game outright there.
The Elder Scrolls 6, only available on Xbox® Game Pass© Ultimate Plus™ Cloud Gaming™®©
I said GTA 6 will be the introduction. Not the closer.
As any drug dealer can tell you, you have to give them a taste in order to get them addicted then you can start to really charge them for the good stuff.
To play games coded by a shitty AI, full of bugs and as many microtransactions as possible ...
Is the game buggy? Worry not! Microsoft™ Copilot 365™ powered by Azure™ will analyze your gameplay in realtime, detect when a bug occurs, and redirect you to an AI generated troubleshooting page.
And how well do you think that's going to work? Sounds like a shitty service maybe five people will subscribe to, and then it dies a year later.
We've had subscription services like this already. I don't hear much of them anymore... Or at all... So I presume they're all dead.
The old "we don't want to put any effort into creating anything good, we just want to milk this for cash until we can't anymore."
When computers were just a teletype attached to a mainframe?
Sure, but realize that the current level of personal computing is a smartphone, we're not that far off from your home "PC" just being a display, KB, mouse, and maybe an interface for some external storage and peripherals. I wouldn't be shocked if that happenes some time in the next 10 years.
That being said, I think there will still be a significant group of people who will own their own hardware.
This sounds... plausible actually. They have this big stake in GPU datacenters for AI, that are (and will be) burning incredible amounts of money and are not turning a profit anytime soon. That same crazy level of investement on AI is making hardware costs go up, especially gaming hardware.
But Microsoft, being the benefactors who have inherited the company from philantropist and kids-lover Bill Gates, have thought of us! They will share a bit of their shiny GPU datacenters' plwer for gaming and all they will be asking for is a lot of your money. I can see that.
I think they are sunsetting whole company.
Lol is this an actual ”feature”? Can’t tell anymore.
I remember news about a console giant that wants to introduce a "feature" that plays for you when you're stuck in a game. In my childhood you had to look at the game manual for clues, ask your friends for help or sleep over it and try again days later. Nowadays you just look up a guide online. Soon you'll press a button and the game will play itself.
When you set an impossible goal (30% yoy profit margin for the gaming division), you know that you are killing off that division, just, slowly.
Satya just really wants an AI girlfriend that is also in everyone's homes simultaneously, that he can use to spy on everyone for the NSA.
Not that it directly matters, but I did literally work for MSFT during the 360 3RR / Windows 8 era.
I kinda know at least a little about the uh, corporate culture.
The console wars have ended. The PC is victorious.
Some victory. PC sales have been plummeting in favour of mobile and now component prices. Console space is now done with any semblance of competition - Sony is a monopoly and will soon start behaving as such. And xbox's portfolio of many many IPs will go straight to the bin.
Ah fuck I forgot about mobile and I hate to consider it.
Yeah. That old lady spending £3000 a month on gems for "Royal Candy Blaster Treasure Blitz Origins" is the gaming industry now. :(
There are some proper games for the phones. Most of them are ports like disco elysium, octopath traveller or balatro, but because the dont get a lot of downloads in app store and google play, the platforms tend to push free games over them. And that makes sense for them, because they also profit from every transaction and ad that those games show. Quality single pay games just have one purchase per player and the audience for them is way smaller.
I personally as a consumer see so much wasted potential with mobile games. I remember when i had one hand held machine for tetris and another machine with shmup while my tamagotchi was dying somewhere. When i got gameboy it was crazy how i could take multible games with me when going on a long trip. Now we have almost always in our pocket a machine with multitudes more power than anything back then, but because how apple and google have build their enviroments devs dont have incentive to make quality single purchase products because they wont get the visibility they need.
Sites like itch.io are too small to make a difference. It would need some big player like Steam to add mobile game category in to their app, but apple and google are making it really tedious to install and update anything outside their own controlled enviroments that understandably serve for their biggest audience, who are children.
I broadly agree with what you are saying here, but, I think you are overlooking or perhaps unaware of something.
The Steam Frame.
It has its own internal ARM chip, is capable of running smaller games entirely self contained within itself.
And... as Proton is a translation layer that makes Windows games run on Linux... Valve has been massively either themselves aiding development of, or funding development of a similarish kind of translation layer (FeX) that converts x86 calls to ARM.
Which can also work in tandem with, layered with Proton.
So that means that a Steam Frame is technically capable of running many .APK (Android) games.
So... while things are tumultuous right now with the RAMpocalypse... Valve is laying the groundwork, in technical capacity, for mobile games to be broadly playable on its hardware, so its much less of a stretch to imagine that they could at some point open up an APK section on Steam's storefront.
No, many of them will go to PCs or Sony over giving up
In what world is Sony a monopoly when Nintendo exists?
The Switch 2 is not a dedicated home console but it is a console
Don't get me wrong, consoles are dying too, memory prices have gone up and Sony is already shifting from making money from consoles to making money from subscriptions
Nintendo is just doing their thing and becoming the Apple of the videogame industry
You mean Tencent mobile games
No, the new player in the game, AI killed everything.
I'd like to see you try to build a PC right now for less than $1,500. The cornered the market on all of the parts necessary to make a computer that can run games well.
They’re sunsetting the platform alright, but nothing about it is quiet
I guess they're going to go all-in on AI despite only 3.3% of MS365 subscribers paying for Copilot. Stonks?
The sunk cost fallacy is a bitch
My feeling on Xbox since Xbox One days has been pretty much "this is an awesome platform, you're sitting on a gold mine Microsoft, what the fuck are you doing?"
The last bit of brilliance they did utilise properly was GamePass, and of course they cocked that up by getting greedy.
Last few years have been extremely rough. The only lucky thing about this is that instead of full Xbox exclusivity Microsoft was pushing Xbox/Windows cross functionality. ...Yeah, I've been pivoting to PC, but Steam/GOG instead.
The Xbone is what made me go PC full time.
Been a Xbox gamer since the original Xbox with Halo CE. LAN parties galore. Halo 2 and the beginning of Xbox Live was amazing. Bought a X360 at launch, got Gears and Crackdown for the Halo 3 multiplayer beta. Halo 3 was peak.
And then Xbone announced. Always online. Kinect required. "Sports" "Live TV". Yeah, not falling for that. "Can't just flip a switch".
Yeah I cancelled my Xbox Live sub and built a PC. 2500K with a 550ti. Haven't looked back since. All of my friends in our group did the same, but some bought a PS4 as well for the SP games.
Microsoft just doesn't care. They have enough money to not care. But the writing has been on the wall for a long time for Xbox and I'd be genuinely surprised if they release another console and I'd be even more surprised if anyone actually buys it. It's a dead ecosystem.
It’s been a sad thing to watch. I was the biggest Xbox fan in my circles in the 360 & One days. But by the time Series X came out, I was so disappointed in their games that I still don’t own it. Microsoft bought so many companies that I thought would bring games. Yet, most of them aren’t producing anything.
I think MS has been surprised and confused by the success of Xbox ever since the very first one came out. It kinda stuck, and the upper management probably never really had a good idea what to do with it, as it just never really worked with them being oriented on business offerings. Remember Ballmer going wild during Xbox One reveal? Yeah. I think during this gen and previous more and more of the business people came into Xbox, and thus the meandering of the brand. They have no clue what gamers want, they're penny pinchers and pencil pushers.
Nintendo isn't doing much better. I was a Nintendo stan for most my youth but now they're the leaders in stagnant games and dark patterns. You just can't trust corporations not to backstab you anymore. Indie and opensource only for me here on.
That was a really interesting interview. I liked that he did have some advice for the new Xbox boss at the end, basically "go talk to other people who have held similar positions in other games companies, like Reggie Fils-Aime. Tho he does seem pretty convinced that the new boss' job will really be to kill off Xbox in order to make more room for AI
Old Xbox actually did have a good number of people who just wanted to make cool video games.
... You gotta get rid of people with some semblance of duty and desire to achieve some kind of good in the world though.
That's how you maximize next quarter investor returns.
This isn't new. I heard them say years ago "yeah Sony won the console war but that doesn't matter" implying cloud gaming
That makes sense. Microsoft didn't enter the console market for gamers or gaming- they entered it to beat sony. The PS2 had a linux distro you could load on it to try to sell it as a computer to circumvent luxury import taxes. If it WAS a computer, it would compete with Microsoft Windows. They were worried that a console could just sell software instead of games and be a competitor, so they threw a ton of money trying to run Sony out of business.
Microsoft never really wanted to win gaming. The war was against an enemy that wasn't really a threat. So not killing off a console wasn't really a "loss".
Is this the real reason everybody is trying to sue valve these days?
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