And just like that, archive.today lost all of it's legitimacy.
The stupid threats were bad, but now they are messing with the accuracy of the data collected, calling in question their entire archive.
And just like that, archive.today lost all of it's legitimacy.
The stupid threats were bad, but now they are messing with the accuracy of the data collected, calling in question their entire archive.
In emails sent to Patokallio after the DDoS began, “Nora” from Archive.today threatened to create a public association between Patokallio’s name and AI porn and to create a gay dating app with Patokallio’s name. These threats were discussed by Wikipedia editors in their deliberations over whether to blacklist Archive.today, and then editors noticed that Patokallio’s name had been inserted into some Archive.today captures of webpages.
Ok, yes go fuck yourself archive,today
The Wikipedia guidance points out that the Internet Archive and its website, Archive.org, are “uninvolved with and entirely separate from archive.today.” The Internet Archive is a nonprofit based in the US.
Fuck, I got scared for a second. Glad it's entirely separate.
As of 13:27, 19 February 2026 (UTC), the owners are now batch-replacing certain names in archived pages with the real name of the gyrovague.com webmaster as a form of harassment.
The top piece of evidence (not in any special order) was redacted due to "revealing personal information".
Other subsequent pieces of evidence were retained but names were replaced with abbreviations
I have another evidence of tampering: this is a Megalodon archive of a archive.ph archive of a post. The original post is now dead. Patokallio mentions this post in his blog – he would surely mention if the post mentioned him, in the way the archived version does. He quoted the original [N.P.] was a woman[...], while the archive.ph reads Jani Patokallio was a woman[...]
Sometime today, Archive.today replaced the name with the equivalent amount of spaces (only where N...'s name used to be). Ironically, "Jani Patokallio" is of the same length as "N...".
Should I stop using archive.ph then? I mostly used it because it's a lot faster than archive.org, which is a bit clunkier to use.
Yep, also owned by archive.today.
As is archive.is, archive.fo, archive.li, archive.md, and archive.vn.
Well, for accessing paywalled articles .org is no replacement for .ph/.today, sadly. But it's advisable to use it as little as possible, it seems using visitors for DDoS'ing the blog is still going on.
GhostArchive came up in discussions.
The problem that web.archive.org and ghostarchive.org both have is that they regularly fail to archive content
Understandable. Archive.today is really good at getting website content, but their methods are proprietary and a little dubious.
If you just want to save things locally, I believe Single File is really good. It downloads the page that you see on your browser, as you see it.
Also, as the name indicates, it downloads the page as a single file. Obviously, it doesn't help for archiving the page for other people, though.
Couldn't you host it somewhere yourself? I guess there's a question of trust there, but trust is the reason Wikipedia has decided to stop using archive.today
I would probably use the Wayback Machine for that. You can give it the page's address and tell it to make a copy.
When I said that Wikipedia should take it seriously and rip off the bandaid as quick as possible when the DDoS's started, a few didn't believe me when I said there was no reason to trust the content anymore if archive[.]today decided malicious activity using their traffic was okay. The owner's ehtics (or lack thereof) showed that nothing stopped them from maliciously altering the content either, making any reason to hang on to the archive site null and void.
To those people doubting my perspective: Called it.
I don't want to do the sir this is a Wendy's thing, but damn this is screaming for a Sir this is a Wendy's kinda thing.
But like, first you seem to be upset at the concept of money, which is silly on the face of it. Second, which part of money exchanging hands are you implying? The original DDoS attack or the blacklisting? And in either case, how is the exchanging of money the primary aspect of the story?
Now explain why you think that's relevant to the article you commented on.
“I am so smart, the answer is obvious. So I won’t tell you. If you don’t get it, you’re not as smart as me.”
🙄
There is nothing as hilarious as someone trying to use fancy words but missing pretty basic concepts of the language.
You’re trying to sound smart. It’s making you sound dumber.
Money you can fuck? I don't see why not. Not entirely sure how it'll change hands moving forward but it's time to shake things up.
And the award for the biggest non-sequitur in Internet history goes to... This guy!
Clicks on a website and absolutely nothing else
Money, an invented concept, because the difficulty of trading 2 cows for 500 bushels of grain to a farmer 100 km away induced people to come up with a better system than bartering you mean?
This is seriously some I’m 13 and this is deep bullshit
In old Aztec lands, it was a crime to pass counterfeit cocoa beans. They used them as a medium of exchange.
jsyk your posts here just hurt the point you're trying to make.
I strongly recommend you delete and revisit these thoughts and restructure them so you're not being told "sir this is a wendies".
People with lotsa money tried to make truth disappear....are you all fucking nutz?
Archive.today became non-citable the moment it began altering archived webpages, regardless of anything else.
This is peak incompetence, I think, but it maybe shows that they see their mission not in preserving credible sources, but in breaking paywalls or something else entirely that is not forfeited by petty revenge edits
This is still my number one fear to hear about any archive, because altering the data when done properly may go undetected and lead people to wrong conclusions
Yeah, archive.today came out of gamergate, so there's a very good chance that the owner sees their mission as being to help jumpstart fascism. In a world where the truth is paywalled but the lies are free, becoming more useful on the left might have been a real problem for them.
It sounds like archive.today is behaving poorly. As far as I know, Wikipedia isn't exactly "big money". If you know different on either front, can you please explain. Otherwise your comments are meaningless.
Dunno if I would call it "behaving poorly".
The blogger in question doxxed the owner/maintainer of Archive.today who in return doxxed the blogger. To me this sounds more like eye for an eye FAFO.
If it's altering snapshots, it's not a reliable archive. Simple as that.
That's inappropriate, childish, and unprofessional. It makes them untrustworthy for citations. There are better ways of handling it.
If altering snapshots for a grudge isn't your definition of "behaving poorly" for a site archiving the state of the Internet, then you must not think they have to be an accurate source of information. If they're not an accurate source of information, then Wikipedia has no obligation to allow them to be used in citations, and they should remove such citations.
Has the accuracy of the snapshots actually changed based on this edit? After all, if it's factual information being presented...
I do agree that it raises the issue of what other modifications there may be, and it IS childish, but so is going after a person who provides a good service and wants to remain anonymous while doing so.
All I'm saying is that while I do not agree with the actions, I also am not saying I don't understand the reasoning behind.
Has the accuracy of the snapshots actually changed based on this edit? After all, if it's factual information being presented...
Yes! Quite literally, yes. They're supposed to be an archive of what is on other sites. It doesn't matter if the original site was, right, wrong, complete, incomplete, accurate, inaccurate, factual, unfactual, etc. If they change things, they're editorializing and are no longer an archive, they're new content - which is not the purpose people use them for.
I do agree that it raises the issue of what other modifications there may be,
That's literally the point. It doesn't matter how much you "understand the reasoning" (though you also think it's childish and don't agree with the actions). You can use it if you want to, no one is stopping you. The point is Wikipedia can't trust it as a source of archived data and has every right to ban it.
The blogger in question doxxed the owner/maintainer of Archive.today who in return doxxed the blogger.
Did you actually read the two articles posted by the blogger? The archive.today owner wasn't doxxed. No personally identifying information was provided; it only aggregates already-known info including a couple of fake aliases. The most it concludes is that the guy is Russian or operating out of Russia.
https://gyrovague.com/2026/02/01/archive-today-is-directing-a-ddos-attack-against-my-blog/
Here's the relevant archive.today guidance page on Wikipedia for anyone curious:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance
If you have a Wikipedia account, you can help replace these links!
Go to the How you can help section, then click on the search links for any of the given domains, and you can go and manually re-archive any links with Archive.org, Ghostarchive, or Megalodon.
Crap. Obviously, I'm gonna gotta stop using archive.today, but it's the only way around paywalls at numerous sites.
Removepaywalls.com (plural) inserts ads, often for shady operations.
Removepaywall.com (singular) usually works, but it's tricky sharing the links (i.e., "choose option 2" or "choose option 4").
Byebyepaywall.com has old, dead options.
Wayback Machine bombs out a lot.
And ghostarchive.org is successful so rarely it's really a last resort.
Anyone know of any others?
The thing that has always annoyed me about archive.is is that using Firefox + VPN seems to result in endless Captcha. But works in Chrome, go figure. I'm very suspicious of sites that somehow only work properly under Chrome.
Ghostarchive is an archive.today revamp, I see no reason to not keep using either though...
Absolute dumbass. Truly a self-own for the ages.
Play stupid games, ...
In emails sent to Patokallio after the DDoS began, “Nora” from Archive.today threatened to create a public association between Patokallio’s name and AI porn and to create a gay dating app with Patokallio’s name. These threats were discussed by Wikipedia editors in their deliberations over whether to blacklist Archive.today, and then editors noticed that Patokallio’s name had been inserted into some Archive.today captures of webpages.
“Honestly, I’m kind of in shock,” one editor wrote. “Just to make sure I’m understanding the implications of this: we have good reason to believe that the archive.today operator has tampered with the content of their archives, in a manner that suggests they were trying to further their position against the person they are in dispute with???”
That and their refusal to talk to any journalist who references information about Patokallio’s blog makes archive.today unreliable.
Fuck them.
I half thought this was archive.org they were blacklisting. Two whole different sites.
Is there a reason self hosted paywall bypass tools don’t exist? Is it because these services pay for access?
they do exist: http://archivebox.io/
At first glance, this does not bypass paywalls. It archives web pages.
People conflate the two services because some of them bypass paywalls as they archive.
I specifically asked for about paywall bypass on purpose.
the archiving mechanism itself is what bypasses paywalls. it archives by fetching pages server-side before client-side JavaScript enforces paywalls
Can this be done in a browser extension? I’m basically wondering why people don’t tell other people about Paywall bypass software on Lemmy. Is it because it sucks? Doesn’t exist?
Such software seems like it would be very Lemmy, and very Linux, and very piracy, and very anarchic. So why am I not already aware of any?
it absolutely can! there’s Bypass Paywalls Clean developed by magnolia1234. the reason you don’t see them shared often is that they’re repeatedly taken down from official extension stores like the Chrome Web Store and Firefox Add-ons, and platforms like GitHub, due to legal and political pressure from publishers, which pushes them to increasingly obscure and/or questionable hosting platforms that most normal users wouldn’t touch - case in point, Bypass Paywalls Clean itself is currently hosted on GitFlic, a Russian code hosting platform, as it’s been pushed outside the reach of Western legal frameworks
I think a subscribed user of the news site has to upload the "unlocked" article to the archive website.
no, archive.today (and similar services like the Wayback Machine) work by fetching the page directly through their own servers, essentially acting as a headless browser that renders the page and saves a snapshot. the archive service itself makes the HTTP request, executes JavaScript, and captures the resulting document object model - no subscriber involvement required
So there is no subscriber at all? How do they get past the wall that requires the payment?
It’s fun how I got a few replies, and none of the answered my very precise question.
soft paywalls are enforced by JavaScript running in your browser - the server sends the full article content regardless, and then the JavaScript checks if you’re a subscriber and hides or blocks it if not. when archive.today or a self-hosted tool like ArchiveBox fetches the page, it gets the full content directly from the server before any of that JavaScript enforcement runs. the server doesn’t know or care whether you’re a subscriber, it just responds to the request
Thanks!
I always assumed that wasn’t the case because Paywall bypass extensions are not linked in a reply when someone screams about paywalls in a thread on Reddit or Lemmy. Why is that possible, but not possible with a browser extension?
Are soft paywalls uncommon?
Soft paywalls only exist on badly made sites (which make up a large part of all sites so it's still more effective than it has any right to be).
Many news sites with paywalls have a proper hard paywall. The only way to get around those is with an account or with an exploit. Neither of those two are going to be published for use in an extension though (as it'd get deactivated very fast).
Dammit. Everyone's been using that site to get around paywalls because it works well. Now I have to go find another one that works as well. :|
It works well because they use paid accounts to scrape a bunch of paywalled sites, which is why publishers are trying to figure out who runs it.
It's completely untrustworthy now that they've shown that they can (and do) edit archived pages.
There are others that don't DDoS blogs.
Arguably the biggest problem with Wikipedia as it aged is the accumulation of dead links.
Brilliant move.
I used to find dead links annoying until I realized that many dead links are also saved in the wayback machine. This comment isn't only about Wikipedia.
Why do you need an archive of Wikipedia though? Each page retains its entire history, so you can easily go back to old versions without using a third-party site (especially one that DDoSes people)
Wikimedia also provide downloads of the whole of Wikipedia, including page history. You can easily have your own copy of the entirety of Wikipedia if you want to, as long as you've got enough disk space and patience to download it.
Edit: I'm an idiot but I'm leaving this comment here. I didn't realise you meant dead links on Wikipedia, not to Wikipedia.
Wikipedia was using archive.today to link to off-wiki articles such as news articles, where the links had stopped working. Similar to how it also uses the archive.org Wayback machine for the same purpose.
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