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[–] 15 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

You'd never know they worship pretty much the same god.

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Thank goodness my parents raised me on the one true religion. What are the odds?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Studying in a religious university, I had to take religion classes. In one there was a discussion about heaven and hell in several religions. There was this atheist girl who was really pissed when the Christian girl said she would not go to heaven.

    Like, the concept of heaven doesn’t exist for you, why the fuck you’re so worked up because she said you’re going to hell?

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • While I agree with you, I also think the words have different meaning. Hell doesn't exist to most Jewish people as far as I remember, it's only those who are saved by God, and those who are left behind. So there would be a difference between, "all Christians go to hell" and all Christians are left on earth, which in that scenario one would have to think earth is already hell for them to be forced into it.

    So when a Christian or equivalent in the west has said go to hell over the years it has developed into wishing them a bad time, rather than just "oh well then I guess you might not get into heaven"

    Then theirs South Park, and the Jehovah's Witnesses were right I believe, lol

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    [–] 72 points 9 months ago* (12 children)

    “If man is to survive, he will have learned to take a delight in the essential differences between men and between cultures. He will learn that differences in ideas and attitudes are a delight, part of life’s exciting variety, not something to fear.”

    • Gene Roddenberry
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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

    That kind of statement can only apply to ideas and attitudes that also respect diversity. Christianity and Islam taken at face value are exclusionary of all other religions. A "true" believer therefore has a moral imperative of destroying diversity in order to protect other people.

    This is not saying all or even most followers of these religions will follow that path, but that they need to water down or ignore some of the core theology to fully operate in a diverse society.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Actually there are schools of theology in both of these religions that enshrine diversity and embrace interoperability with other religions. They are just not mainstream because guess what? Mainstream religion is owned by power, and all that power is fascist essentially. Sure enough there are no true believers in anything but power in mainstream religions, start stripping them down on theology field and they reveal it.

    I mean, just have a look at any works by Hakim Bey and Tim Morton's latest book.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    A "true" believer therefore has a moral imperative of destroying diversity in order to protect other people.

    I mean they have a moral imperative to try within whatever limits their interpretation of the religion imposes, but that's it. It's not like these religions imply, say, putting followers of other religions in reeducation camps. One can fully operate in a diverse society while still thinking "I'm right and everyone else is wrong when it comes to this thing," for the same reason having political opinions isn't mutually exclusive with diversity. BTW Islam =/= Islamism. The former is a religion; the latter is a political ideology based on the religion.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    When you believe that if someone disagrees with you they are going to be tortured for eternity, burning books sounds a lot like a lesser evil.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago

    Again, you're assuming that this belief exists in a vacuum and not as part of an elaborate belief system with clauses specifically meant to address this. Besides, your average leftist believes that if you (well society at large more like) disagree with them millions if not billions of people will be condemned to lifelong poverty for generations. The scale is a bit smaller than eternal damnation, but really this is just how it goes when you have strong/high-stakes opinions about anything.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's fairly contradictory, actually. With the whole punishing the children of sinning fathers, then having a verse that says that the sins of the father are not the sins of the son, or something like that.

    TL;DR, depends on if you are old testament?

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    "Wait. I'm going to your hell? ...haha, checkmate, I don't believe in your hell!!"
    "Wow, me too! Let's go and fuck some shit up!"

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No-one on this planet discovered the true religion and we all go to alien hell.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As a LaVeyan Satanist, and former Christian, I can tell you that the Christian bible doesn't mention hell that much, and when it does it's a metaphor. The idea of hell as a fiery undeworld with nine different levels comes from Dante's Inferno. It's the first part of a 14th century Italian poem called The Devine Comedy.

    I cannot speak for Islam. I have no experience with that religion.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (14 children)

    Me, an intellectual: We are already in hell.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    I feel like Hell might just be slightly better.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I'm currently making plans to colonize it.

    ~WorldsDumbestMan, ex-Dwarf Fortress player

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    ex-Dwarf Fortress player

    Ex?! Did the clowns in the circus break your spirit?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I got a job...

    Also, FPS death is usually how I lose, or tantrum spirals. I did things the boring way, so invaders could not get in to start a fight in the first place. I was also really bad at managing the smith, and organizing an actual army. My mountain home would usually be a hollowed out mountain of massive hospital rooms, engraved way too much for it's own good. The game starts to run too slow to do anything with it, because well, massive sprawl, and poor management skills.

    I was decent at controlling the water flow though, and making it work to my wishes. Even had trapdoored entrances to the channels, so dwarves could dig, clean up whatever mess they could, and get out. The dumbest thing I did, was dump the water inside caverns, flooding the very thing I was supposed to mine with junk-filled water. I had shallow pools of water near entrances for training swimming of dwarves, and cleaning them off from any...unfortunate circumstances.

    I was really bad at trade, and would give away a lot of valuable items, for a handful of ones I can't really make, manipulating their moods in the process though. They would then come to find that the goods they wanted, aren't there next season, or that I can't actually buy what I ordered. I hated that part, loading the stuff into the trade area sometimes took longer than the caravan would care to stay.

    Wtf did I write all this for, oh well.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Wtf did I write all this for, oh well.

    I found it an interesting read. As a huge RimWorld fan, I can relate to some parts and stare in blank confusion at others.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If you like Rimworld, Dwarf Fortress is kinda the OG of that genre. I would say Hack or Nethack, but those games don't take into account nearly as much as Rimworld or DF.

    Look up "Dwarf Fortress cats dying bug alcohol," that should get any Rimworld fan interested in DF.

    BTW, you don't have to buy the version on Steam. The OG text version is free, and there are tons of tilesets if you don't like the text graphics.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)
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    If man is 5 and the devil is 6 then that must make me 7

    (this honky's gone to heaven)

    But if I go to hell, well then I hope I burn well,

    I'll spend my days with J.F.K., Marvin Gaye, Martha Raye and Lawrence Welk

    And Kurt Cobain, Kojak, Mark Twain and Jimi Hendrix's poltergeist

    And Webster, yeah, Emmanuel Lewis 'cause he's the Antichrist

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I don't know about Islamic texts, but the Bible doesn't really say much about hell. If you want to learn about hell, you have to go to preachers. Fire and brimstone is their bread and butter. The more they talk about hell, the more money they make.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Even the "lake of fire" Jesus talks about is a reference to burn pits outside of town where they got rid of garbage. Almost as if taking everything in the bible literally is the wrong lense.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Exactly. There is no actual "hell" in the bible, it's a lake of fire, which is not even a lake. Christians have no clue what their bible actually says. Spoiler Alert: there is no satan.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, it's funny how they take it literally but also infer things that aren't implied, like that the snake in the garden was satan. It just says a snake in the story... That leap is all theirs.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him." That's apocalyptic literature, which people interpret in a variety of ways, but it does mention Satan and describes him as a serpent, so it is not a complete leap.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    the entire modern idea of "hell" pretty much just comes from dantes inferno, which is funny cause that was basically just fan fiction dante wrote so that he could pretend to interact with the girl next door he never got a chance to talk to

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Have you ever read this thing? Technically we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    And they are going to be very good friends in hell

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    On a sidenote Quran covers look photogenic as hell so why didn't they use the real thing as prop?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It sure does suck that everybody who believes in an afterlife goes to Hell when they die. I personally don’t believe it to be the case, but that doesn’t change it from being the reality.

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    Religions of a feather flock together, they are just missing a Jew. Those wacky Abrahamic religions I'll tell yah.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Neither of these bitches have actually read their own books

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