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[–] 38 points 9 months ago

Well, this is a bit of a risky gamble. My first thought is "good, he'll prevent the Conservatives from making any gains given how unpopular and useless he is."

But of course my second thought is "that's what I thought about Trump running again..."

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    This one surprised me, I expected him to be out....

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It's really not surprising, it's hand selected delegates travelling to Calgary in winter... Anything less than 80% would have been shockingly catastrophic for him.

    Honestly though, holding onto leadership is good, because he's lowered their ceiling of support so incredibly low. Yes his support base is large but he basically has no chance of getting the Conservatives a majority.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago

    He lost a 25pt lead in the polls just because Trump won and Trudeau stepped down.

    That's it. He's so unpopular that he was winning in polls because people were just kind of done with the leader we had, not because of Poilievre. Two things happened that had nothing to do with the Cons or him and poof there goes the election.

    He's a horrible leader, a worse human being, and he's the best thing for Canada right now as he is single handedly keeping the Conservatives on the outside looking in.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I look forward to analyses. Was it a lack of clear alternatives, or is their base so far gone that they genuinely think he's their guy?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    PP won against no one. No other possible candidate for CP leadership put themself forward because it’s Carney’s Canada right now. Carney being super popular and rising. Expect some floor crossings.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    True, but I assume that if there were an obvious successor waiting in the wings, the result would have been...at least less lopsided.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    The CP know Carney is very popular. He’ll get a majority soon one way or another. Let PP linger until the CP lose a fifth election in a row. Then successors will emerge. Probably Jason Kenney or Melissa Lantsman. Both awful.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    Was never even in play. For one, he keeps a firm grip on power inside the CPC and they make it pretty clear that anyone who goes against him will be attacked brutally and publicly for doing so. Then, on the voter side, if you choose your voters, the voters will choose you. The way they set up the leadership vote ensured those voting would be his base.

    He and Jenni Byrne captured the party and keep a tight grip on it. Even though Byrne has formally been distanced, she's not.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    In an extremely friendly and loivng manner - 🤗 please adjust your expectations 🤗. The very least so you don't get disappointed, but also to be better connected with the reality of fellow Canadians so we can take appropriate actions before we reach the point of a large PP (or equivalent) majority. Running a non-profit social media platform certainly helps!

    I'm having a similar conversation with some RL friends today.

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Nah, he’s revitalized the party, brought in a new demographic of voters, and even gained the most seats the Conservatives have ever seen. Just cause he lost to Carney doesn’t automatically make him a bad party leader.

    I think they’re counting on Carney to take on Trump, make some fatal mistake, and then swoop in whatever election comes next.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Just cause he lost to Carney doesn’t automatically make him a bad party leader.

    No, it's his personality, fecklessness, inability to have a thought that doesn't start with blaming someone else for something, smarminess and completely lacking empathy that makes him a bad leader.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I wasn't thinking about the loss, but more so the lack of a reasonable response to Trump. He's still stuck on basic 3 word slogans instead of having any real strategy, unless I just haven't seen it.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I’ll be surprised if we get through next week without news of another Conservative floor crossing.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Of that happens, we cannot be forced into an election. Which means Carney can largely ignore PP for a couple of years.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    He’s largely ignoring him and not taking the bait. Carney needs to get some more experience in question period, though. Last week Carney tried to barb back and forth at PP’s level and it was forced and went against his usual style.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago*

    I watched a bit of his speech as I try to keep up on all the messaging from party leaders, but he's just so boring. His only evolution in the last five years has been via the image consultant that had him ditch the glasses and go to the gym. In terms of content, he's got nothing new to say and hasn't for a long time.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I'm guessing the vote required members to travel to Alberta in the middle of winter and vote in-person in order to count. There as no way this was going to swing any other way.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Voting was only in-person and for delegates. The CPC have over 600,000 members nationally. They had under 3,000 eligible to vote on leadership, so <0.5% of members choose the leader.

    Tells you a lot about the party.

    Compare that to the other party also about to select a new leader, the NDP. In their process, 100% of members get a vote on their leader, no matter where they are in the country. People just had to join before January 28, and fees I think are as low as a dollar for people who couldn't afford it.

    Night and day in terms of democratic process.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Is this true? I can't find a source about only delegates being allowed to vote. An ex-conversative friend of mine was saying that they usually send the ballots out by mail to any member in good standing.

    Edit: doing more reading I don't think its 100% fair to compare this to NDP election. This was a leadership review not a leadership election. If PP lost this then a leadership election would happen that works basically the same as NDP leadership election in terms of who's allowed to vote. Second the NDP has similar rules about delegates to NDP conventions as far as I can tell. You can read both their constitutions here

    https://xfer.ndp.ca/2023/Documents/Constitution%20EN-2021.pdf

    https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/30091347/c5855d471341cf9.pdf

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, in 2022 they didn't use delegates and Poilievre won with 67% from several hundred thousand votes, but this time it was back to delegates again, as they did under Harper. Harper’s last win was 84% of 2,900 delegates. The exact number hasn't been released yet for this one I think, but estimates are 2,500 or so. Reporting is that 95% of delegates voted and 87.4% went for Poilievre. So, probably around 2,080 votes total for Poilievre.

    That's why if you look at the coverage over the last few days, you'll read about Poilievre meeting with delegates behind the scenes in closed door meetings and trying to shore up votes. You're not doing that with hundreds of thousands of voters, but you can with such a small number deciding your future.

    We'll probably get the exact numbers some time soon, but it'll be in that ballpark.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    The 2022 election was an actual leadership election. This was just a leadership review. People who did vote weren't voting for a new leader. They were voting on if they still think PP should be leader. There wasn't candidates to vote for. It was a yes or no question. If he lost this election there would be a leadership election similar to the 2022 one you reference. The 2022 election was triggered by the previous leader stepping down just like the NDP leadership election has been triggered by Jagmeet stepping down.

    I do think the system is a bit strange that they have a leadership review and it's handled by delagtes who only get picked if they are voted in at meetings in the different electoral districts. Makes it easy to stay in as leader if you can convince the right people to come.

    But again what I said before stands. If the NDP did a leadership review at a convention they could do the same thing as the conversatives here cause the constitution allows for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Ah, okay. That makes sense. Appreciate the correction.

    Not a great representative process for the NDP either in leadership reviews. The delegate system isn't great. Having a tiny percentage of the membership and only the most dedicated shouldn't be taken as wide support of the party membership. With modern tech it really shouldn't be so hard to do with more direct representation.

    But, I guess the voters will have their say when a real election comes and the party will deal with whatever the consequence is.

    Looking back now at the last NDP leadership review, I see Jagmeet got 81%, and then lost his seat and the party's prior gains.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Congrats Pierre, you won an election.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    PP is a pathetic loser destined for a footnote in history. Imagine needing to go Alberta, hand pick delegates, run in a riding that wants to secede from Canada. CP have no chance of governing. Everyone hates this dude outside of CP members. They are not a serious party.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Unfortunately by all accounts they do have a chance even with PP as a leader. In a late Wynne or late Trudeau scenario, the CPC could very well win a majority. Doug Ford has been riding the wave since 2018. If the LPC hadn't pulled the Carney rabbit out of the hat, something that was far from certain to happen, we'd be saluting PM PP at the moment. We spent a lot of time and money to take Trudeau out and prevent Freeland from taking over the party. This type of maneuvre isn't common. The chance of failure is very high.

    Over the short term they wouldn't win. By the time we get to the next election, it's not so certain.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The next election could be this spring!!

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    With the party shift, no one votes Con anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    True. The old PCs all vote Carney. The reason PP blathers on about the “youth vote” is cause the youth are all online and only know this (hyper stupid) era of “politics” . I’m speaking as a millennial.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Or they vote Con because Carney won't fix housing, and has a new housing minister that immediately said housing prices can't fall as its boomers retirement fund.

    Liberals attempt to straddle the vote, they pretend to care about climate change for the youth vote, as they mass immigrate people into massive urban sprawl for the boomer vote. They straddle the conservative talking points about fiscal discipline as they leapfrog Trudeau level deficits.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Agree that they are doing squat about housing. Rent control needs to be all across the country for one thing. But the cons won’t do better, they will funnel money even more furiously to the private sector and achieve nothing.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Copy from !CanadaPolitics:

    Feels like a big opportunity for the NDP, honestly.

    Also a necessity. Carney will expire at some point and PP could win as "the only realistic option." Kinda how Ford won in Ontario in election after election against lame ducks. I'm not comparing Ford's political charisma to PP at all, but in a Wynne-like Liberal meltdown scenario, PP might win. Which is why it's very important that we choose a decent leader fot the NDP and strenghten the party for the next election.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Kinda crazy if you think from a Conservatives perspective.

    You get to listen to 2.5hrs of how the last 10 years in Canada has been hell on earth due to the Liberals. Delivered by the guy who somehow lost one of the easiest election ever and extended your suffering.

    Then the guy tell you to bring him back and the crowd applauds.

    Will say given how things went down. Pierre and his supporters seemed to stack the deck for him to win.

    Certainly seems more believablet that some MP's were waiting to jump ship if Pierre came back.

    We just spoke to Sebastian Skamski, Poilievre's former spokesperson, for some initial reaction. He's even more definitive than Outhouse that this sort of result will quiet the naysayers and put to bed the idea of any more MPs defecting to the Liberals .

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    im honestly happy about this lol, no one likes this guy so its just securing a liberal victory. well, thats what i'd prefer to believe, atleast..

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    He almost won if not for Trump.

    What will the debate look like, he can just point to Sean Fraser and Gregor Robinson, what will a progressive say to that?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    He almost won because of Justin and Donald. If pp didn't flip shit when he started losing ground he might have held it but instead he said he'd abuse federal powers and that's around the time I decided to pick carney instead. Yes he's an international banker but he threw away his passports other then Canada's and the a greater sacrifice then any of the other so-called leaders have even presented, so I picked him instead.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Disappointed

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I suppose you need a stooge to fill in until Carney wears out.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Win for the rest of Canada really, it ensure the cons remain limp dicked and ineffectual.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    When all you have is shit, your voting options are limited.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Lol, just keep giving carney easy opponents then I guess guys. Its a social con VS a maga loon

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It probably have a lot to do with the lack of other options for the leadership.

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    [–] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Great, will PP now denounce Alberta’s separation agenda?

    My guess is he will not and he’ll continue licking the boots of our southern pedophile predators.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    A literal loser who got his seat spoon fed back to him is the conservative messiah? A smart mouthed career politician who hasn't worked a day in his life for those hard working "salt of the earth" trad family types always blows my mind. I'm tired of the yapping. Given the current economical state I'd always choose the career banker over this.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    A party spokesperson tells me 2,558 ballots were cast in this leadership review election. That's a 95 per cent turnout.

    This is the stat I haven’t seen anyone discussing here yet. Poilievre is overwhelmingly the modern Conservative’s ride or die.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    only finger pointed delegates, present at the convention could vote… the whole thing was rigged to ensure only the most rabid fans would vote

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (14 children)
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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Because Canadians that aren't deep cons hate the guy.

    Carney won the last election because enough voters from the Bloc and NDP base wanted PP to lose so bad that they voted Liberal even though they were due to lose.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    It's true. I plugged my nose and voted Liberal. With the certainty that a Blue party dickwad was going to win in my riding, but still.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's a lot like you. I'm going to admit that I've been voting Liberal for a few years now. I voted conservative for probably 20 years, but there's been a big shift in my voting because there's been a big shift in partisan politics in this country. Never fathomed the day I'd be voting NDP or Liberal when I was younger, but here we are. And it's not like I'm really all that Liberal or all that NDP (I'm not NDP leaning really at all - except I'm in Alberta so provincially we only effectively have two choices).

    The conservatives, especially at the federal and (Alberta) provincial level are just way too gross for me though. And even if they eject the radicals at some point, I just don't trust them now. It's party rule by memes, insults, slogans, corruption and borderline racism/facism.

    I'm glad 87% of partisan bootlickers voted for this guy. Because there's really not many others that will in the broader elections. I wouldn't say he's closing ground either, if anything he's furthering the gap. So this is all a weird strategy for Conservatives, at least in my irrelevant opinion.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Unfortunately he is pretty young so if the cons keep him around long enough he will get his turn when the electorate tires of the liberals and the left vote splits.

    FPTP is a garbage system.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Yup. All we got was PP, or the Conservative party at least, getting a win after becoming even more extreme and Carney, someone who has absolutely proven that he does not care about the working class, as the leader of the country.

    Insane that we always tell ourselves that it’s the left that needs to give up their beliefs to bolster the center and never the the center that needs to grow a spine and support the left.

    I voted NDP, and I’m going to keep doing it. The Liberals do not represent me in the slightest and will not get the benefit of my voice.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I voted liberal in 2015 to change our voting system. That didn't pan out.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I know this is not what people like you want to hear but that was never going to happen. Ontario literally voted down changes to that in a referendum not too long before 2015.

    If you want to see actual electoral reform it's better to start at the bottom so the electorate is forced to interact with it. Municipal elections are easier to influence and don't have so many competing parties that benefit from different systems. We were poised to do this in Ontario but Doug has rolled that back for obvious reasons.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] [S] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, it's not looking good for him on the national stage. What are "Accessible CPC?"

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Lack of other conservative options most likely.

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    I was all for the guy before Trudeau left the picture.

    But I'm not that smart, so I fell for his tactics.

    I don't think he's the guy for the job,

    but then again, who is?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    the way PP had to stack the votes to get this is akin to "my mom says I'm the nicest boy there is"

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