Well, this is a bit of a risky gamble. My first thought is "good, he'll prevent the Conservatives from making any gains given how unpopular and useless he is."
But of course my second thought is "that's what I thought about Trump running again..."
Well, this is a bit of a risky gamble. My first thought is "good, he'll prevent the Conservatives from making any gains given how unpopular and useless he is."
But of course my second thought is "that's what I thought about Trump running again..."
This one surprised me, I expected him to be out....
I’ll be surprised if we get through next week without news of another Conservative floor crossing.
Of that happens, we cannot be forced into an election. Which means Carney can largely ignore PP for a couple of years.
I watched a bit of his speech as I try to keep up on all the messaging from party leaders, but he's just so boring. His only evolution in the last five years has been via the image consultant that had him ditch the glasses and go to the gym. In terms of content, he's got nothing new to say and hasn't for a long time.
I'm guessing the vote required members to travel to Alberta in the middle of winter and vote in-person in order to count. There as no way this was going to swing any other way.
Voting was only in-person and for delegates. The CPC have over 600,000 members nationally. They had under 3,000 eligible to vote on leadership, so <0.5% of members choose the leader.
Tells you a lot about the party.
Compare that to the other party also about to select a new leader, the NDP. In their process, 100% of members get a vote on their leader, no matter where they are in the country. People just had to join before January 28, and fees I think are as low as a dollar for people who couldn't afford it.
Night and day in terms of democratic process.
Is this true? I can't find a source about only delegates being allowed to vote. An ex-conversative friend of mine was saying that they usually send the ballots out by mail to any member in good standing.
Edit: doing more reading I don't think its 100% fair to compare this to NDP election. This was a leadership review not a leadership election. If PP lost this then a leadership election would happen that works basically the same as NDP leadership election in terms of who's allowed to vote. Second the NDP has similar rules about delegates to NDP conventions as far as I can tell. You can read both their constitutions here
https://xfer.ndp.ca/2023/Documents/Constitution%20EN-2021.pdf
https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/30091347/c5855d471341cf9.pdf
Yeah, in 2022 they didn't use delegates and Poilievre won with 67% from several hundred thousand votes, but this time it was back to delegates again, as they did under Harper. Harper’s last win was 84% of 2,900 delegates. The exact number hasn't been released yet for this one I think, but estimates are 2,500 or so. Reporting is that 95% of delegates voted and 87.4% went for Poilievre. So, probably around 2,080 votes total for Poilievre.
That's why if you look at the coverage over the last few days, you'll read about Poilievre meeting with delegates behind the scenes in closed door meetings and trying to shore up votes. You're not doing that with hundreds of thousands of voters, but you can with such a small number deciding your future.
We'll probably get the exact numbers some time soon, but it'll be in that ballpark.
The 2022 election was an actual leadership election. This was just a leadership review. People who did vote weren't voting for a new leader. They were voting on if they still think PP should be leader. There wasn't candidates to vote for. It was a yes or no question. If he lost this election there would be a leadership election similar to the 2022 one you reference. The 2022 election was triggered by the previous leader stepping down just like the NDP leadership election has been triggered by Jagmeet stepping down.
I do think the system is a bit strange that they have a leadership review and it's handled by delagtes who only get picked if they are voted in at meetings in the different electoral districts. Makes it easy to stay in as leader if you can convince the right people to come.
But again what I said before stands. If the NDP did a leadership review at a convention they could do the same thing as the conversatives here cause the constitution allows for it.
Ah, okay. That makes sense. Appreciate the correction.
Not a great representative process for the NDP either in leadership reviews. The delegate system isn't great. Having a tiny percentage of the membership and only the most dedicated shouldn't be taken as wide support of the party membership. With modern tech it really shouldn't be so hard to do with more direct representation.
But, I guess the voters will have their say when a real election comes and the party will deal with whatever the consequence is.
Looking back now at the last NDP leadership review, I see Jagmeet got 81%, and then lost his seat and the party's prior gains.
Not to mention the Ontario PCs are having their party convention right now as well—meaning many members won’t attend in Calgary for the vote.
Congrats Pierre, you won an election.
PP is a pathetic loser destined for a footnote in history. Imagine needing to go Alberta, hand pick delegates, run in a riding that wants to secede from Canada. CP have no chance of governing. Everyone hates this dude outside of CP members. They are not a serious party.
Unfortunately by all accounts they do have a chance even with PP as a leader. In a late Wynne or late Trudeau scenario, the CPC could very well win a majority. Doug Ford has been riding the wave since 2018. If the LPC hadn't pulled the Carney rabbit out of the hat, something that was far from certain to happen, we'd be saluting PM PP at the moment. We spent a lot of time and money to take Trudeau out and prevent Freeland from taking over the party. This type of maneuvre isn't common. The chance of failure is very high.
Over the short term they wouldn't win. By the time we get to the next election, it's not so certain.
The next election could be this spring!!
With the party shift, no one votes Con anyway.
True. The old PCs all vote Carney. The reason PP blathers on about the “youth vote” is cause the youth are all online and only know this (hyper stupid) era of “politics” . I’m speaking as a millennial.
Or they vote Con because Carney won't fix housing, and has a new housing minister that immediately said housing prices can't fall as its boomers retirement fund.
Liberals attempt to straddle the vote, they pretend to care about climate change for the youth vote, as they mass immigrate people into massive urban sprawl for the boomer vote. They straddle the conservative talking points about fiscal discipline as they leapfrog Trudeau level deficits.
Agree that they are doing squat about housing. Rent control needs to be all across the country for one thing. But the cons won’t do better, they will funnel money even more furiously to the private sector and achieve nothing.
Rent control is a first mover advantage, its largely immigration and nimbys. They need to continue to shrink the population, but I don't think they will.
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Feels like a big opportunity for the NDP, honestly.
Also a necessity. Carney will expire at some point and PP could win as "the only realistic option." Kinda how Ford won in Ontario in election after election against lame ducks. I'm not comparing Ford's political charisma to PP at all, but in a Wynne-like Liberal meltdown scenario, PP might win. Which is why it's very important that we choose a decent leader fot the NDP and strenghten the party for the next election.
Kinda crazy if you think from a Conservatives perspective.
You get to listen to 2.5hrs of how the last 10 years in Canada has been hell on earth due to the Liberals. Delivered by the guy who somehow lost one of the easiest election ever and extended your suffering.
Then the guy tell you to bring him back and the crowd applauds.
Will say given how things went down. Pierre and his supporters seemed to stack the deck for him to win.
Certainly seems more believablet that some MP's were waiting to jump ship if Pierre came back.
We just spoke to Sebastian Skamski, Poilievre's former spokesperson, for some initial reaction. He's even more definitive than Outhouse that this sort of result will quiet the naysayers and put to bed the idea of any more MPs defecting to the Liberals .
im honestly happy about this lol, no one likes this guy so its just securing a liberal victory. well, thats what i'd prefer to believe, atleast..
He almost won if not for Trump.
What will the debate look like, he can just point to Sean Fraser and Gregor Robinson, what will a progressive say to that?
He almost won because of Justin and Donald. If pp didn't flip shit when he started losing ground he might have held it but instead he said he'd abuse federal powers and that's around the time I decided to pick carney instead. Yes he's an international banker but he threw away his passports other then Canada's and the a greater sacrifice then any of the other so-called leaders have even presented, so I picked him instead.
Win for the rest of Canada really, it ensure the cons remain limp dicked and ineffectual.
Lol, just keep giving carney easy opponents then I guess guys. Its a social con VS a maga loon
It probably have a lot to do with the lack of other options for the leadership.
Great, will PP now denounce Alberta’s separation agenda?
My guess is he will not and he’ll continue licking the boots of our southern pedophile predators.
A literal loser who got his seat spoon fed back to him is the conservative messiah? A smart mouthed career politician who hasn't worked a day in his life for those hard working "salt of the earth" trad family types always blows my mind. I'm tired of the yapping. Given the current economical state I'd always choose the career banker over this.
A party spokesperson tells me 2,558 ballots were cast in this leadership review election. That's a 95 per cent turnout.
This is the stat I haven’t seen anyone discussing here yet. Poilievre is overwhelmingly the modern Conservative’s ride or die.
only finger pointed delegates, present at the convention could vote… the whole thing was rigged to ensure only the most rabid fans would vote
Good news for Carney
Because Canadians that aren't deep cons hate the guy.
Carney won the last election because enough voters from the Bloc and NDP base wanted PP to lose so bad that they voted Liberal even though they were due to lose.
It's true. I plugged my nose and voted Liberal. With the certainty that a Blue party dickwad was going to win in my riding, but still.
There's a lot like you. I'm going to admit that I've been voting Liberal for a few years now. I voted conservative for probably 20 years, but there's been a big shift in my voting because there's been a big shift in partisan politics in this country. Never fathomed the day I'd be voting NDP or Liberal when I was younger, but here we are. And it's not like I'm really all that Liberal or all that NDP (I'm not NDP leaning really at all - except I'm in Alberta so provincially we only effectively have two choices).
The conservatives, especially at the federal and (Alberta) provincial level are just way too gross for me though. And even if they eject the radicals at some point, I just don't trust them now. It's party rule by memes, insults, slogans, corruption and borderline racism/facism.
I'm glad 87% of partisan bootlickers voted for this guy. Because there's really not many others that will in the broader elections. I wouldn't say he's closing ground either, if anything he's furthering the gap. So this is all a weird strategy for Conservatives, at least in my irrelevant opinion.
Unfortunately he is pretty young so if the cons keep him around long enough he will get his turn when the electorate tires of the liberals and the left vote splits.
FPTP is a garbage system.
Yup. All we got was PP, or the Conservative party at least, getting a win after becoming even more extreme and Carney, someone who has absolutely proven that he does not care about the working class, as the leader of the country.
Insane that we always tell ourselves that it’s the left that needs to give up their beliefs to bolster the center and never the the center that needs to grow a spine and support the left.
I voted NDP, and I’m going to keep doing it. The Liberals do not represent me in the slightest and will not get the benefit of my voice.
I voted liberal in 2015 to change our voting system. That didn't pan out.
I know this is not what people like you want to hear but that was never going to happen. Ontario literally voted down changes to that in a referendum not too long before 2015.
If you want to see actual electoral reform it's better to start at the bottom so the electorate is forced to interact with it. Municipal elections are easier to influence and don't have so many competing parties that benefit from different systems. We were poised to do this in Ontario but Doug has rolled that back for obvious reasons.
Yeah, it's not looking good for him on the national stage. What are "Accessible CPC?"
I'm guessing voters who could consider voting Tory but aren't set in their support for a specific party.
Idk I'm having the opposite reaction. That's about half the country thinking he's doing at least fine.
I was all for the guy before Trudeau left the picture.
But I'm not that smart, so I fell for his tactics.
I don't think he's the guy for the job,
but then again, who is?
the way PP had to stack the votes to get this is akin to "my mom says I'm the nicest boy there is"
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