There are all kinds of clubs out there depending on where you live and your interests. Even the rotary club is a way to connect and do good work while not being religious.
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Some prominent non-theist Quakers out there, like Charlie Brooker, creator and head writer of Black Mirror and the various Philomena Cunk series Cunk On...
Imagine if the west had been dominated by the quakers during colonialism, instead of the puritans, how different the world would be.
Oh I know, and I understand why it didn’t work out that way. But imagine if it did.
Also yes, the quakers were also very anti slavery in the US. The quakers seem to be (from what I’ve read) on the right side of almost every issue the capitalist imperialist west has faced for as long as they’ve been around.
Quakers run the spectrum. Some are just pacifist hippies and some, although they tend to be the older crowd, are still pretty theologically committed to being actively religious.
Came here to say this. I attend 1-2 times a month and mine has so far taught me about breathing exercises for meditation and the shadow self from Jung. Just a group of great people also searching for community.
UU Church is how I was raised. It's a boomer conception of religious tolerance. Actually not insane, but also very boring.
Sounds like it's still oriented to a "spiritualist" at least though, not for someone who isn't religious. I'm sure they'd be fine if an atheist showed up, but I don't think I personally would want to be there. I do like learning about religions, but more from a "how has this effected humanity and changed the way they think/behave" standpoint, not from thinking that there's anything true there.
You are not separate from humanity's history...
I think it's pretty narrow minded to say you have to believe in something to still have a connection to it. I know religions played a role in our history (often negative too). I like learning about this. I'm still connected to it. I just know it's almost all bullshit. I can gain a lot from reading a sci-fi novel too without believing it's real, for example.
Just use the software the human brain was developed alongside and use your processing power on things more useful...
I hold the opposite opinion. I think wasting out effort to please some supernatural thing is a waste of time and energy. This must be double true if you can't even decide on which one it is, because they're all mutually exclusive. I'll just live my life trying to be a good person. It doesn't cause me any extra effort to do.
...than trying to feel smarter and more right about the universe, which is mostly just lying to yourself anyway.
Wow, this sounds rude. When was I trying to feel smarter? More right? Sure, and probably true (almost every religion is mutually exclusive, and there's a huge number of them, and most have been forgotten. The odds of you having the right one is effectively 0). I don't think I'm smarter though. I just think I'm more honest. I don't feel a need to lie to myself, or others, that I think there's anything beyond nature. I'm perfectly comfortable and content with that reality. Death, and everything else in life, doesn't bother me.
You use it to help you process it sounds like, which is fine. You do you. I don't need that. For me it'd make things harder, not easier. Don't assume we all work the same, because we don't. I feel absolutely zero draw towards spirituality. To use your analogy, we're running different OSs. I don't think I'm superior for it like you seem to.
My guy said ‘no religion please’ and y’all still gotta shove it down their throat lol pathological.
Rotary (or Rotaract depending on your age) may fill that niche for you? It's been pretty good for me, personally, and has a huge focus on connecting with and doing good in your local community.
Check your local Unitarian Universalism (UU) branch.
https://www.uua.org/uuagovernance/committees/article-ii-study-commission/about-article-2
"Section C-2.1. Principles.
We, the member congregations of the Unitarian Universalist Association, covenant to affirm and promote
The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
The goal of world community with peace, liberty and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part."
Fellow UU here, second checking them out. Wanted to emphasize that there's no expectation to believe a particular religious text. Our services lately have been around the themes of practicing resistance (which can take many forms) and being resilient in the face of adversity. Our congregation celebrates holidays from most major religious traditions as well as secular holidays like Earth Day and Trans Day of Visibility. I'm also a big fan of the community volunteer opportunities and music program. Each congregation is a bit different based on the membership, here's a link to find one near you. Many stream services on Zoom so you can check them out with very low commitment.
I have a couple of friends who go to one of the UU churches in Dallas. I think maybe Roe came from it.
So you're not religious. You just want the community? How about joining a club. Something that interests you. It's an opportunity to meet like-minded people with whom you should get along.
Several of the local game shops have table space areas, and "game nights" open to newcomers. Euro-style table-top games and D&D / Pathfinder RPGs are usually casual.
Highly recommend volunteer work, perhaps habitat for humanity? Volunteer organizations are typically very welcoming, and your surrounded by folks who are willing to give something back, instead of interested in your wallet.
Linux User Groups?
Fraternal orders. Elks, Moose, etc. The internal vibe is exactly like church but with beer instead of sermons. You do not have to be religious to join but some of them do require a belief in God.
I'm still a member of the Elks, although I haven't been active in a number of years since I moved too far away from any local lodges. I made a lot of good friends when I was active. One thing that was always nice, back when I had to travel for work I could stop by a lodge, if there was one near by, and they would usually treat me like I belonged there. I always appreciated that.
Sports clubs and hobby clubs for sure. In Australia we have clubs called Men's* Sheds that are for things like woodworking, but also a place to talk about mental health - things like loneliness. (*I don't think they're all so exclusively Men's sheds these days).
I play disc golf and that sometime feels like a church haha. Trying tk convince people it's an awesome sport amd get them to try it feels like trying to convert someone 😂
Vancouver had some groups, they may have them where you are at.
One was an atheist group meeting weekly to do what churches do as a community gathering, helping out in the local area etc.
Another was the Processions, which was (from what I gather) a church that didn't talk about god, as trying to describe or talk about god takes away from what god is. So they'd just meet as a community with an understanding they believed in a higher creator.
Hobbies. I do rock climbing and hiking so I show up consistently at the rock gym and make friends. I've found a hiking discord in my region and have friends that way now.
I joined a political party and I engage in social projects. Together we work for a common goal (which is more tangible than religious promises for hell / heaven). In addition, I search for new friends to have a coffee with. It is work!
I would see if you have a Unitarian Universalist (UU) Congregation near you.
It IS technically a religion, but it doesn't feel like anyone is trying to make you believe anything, is aggressively LGBTQIA+ friendly, and is also welcoming to all races and cultures (it is literally in their commandments to respect people regardless of creed or views, and respect their individual search for truth and meaning).
While people there are incredibly nice, welcoming etc..the big downside is that most people at UU churches are usually older. It's got a lot of "old hippie" energy, which is great but they might have less younger people if you're looking for people in your age group. You won't really know until you visit your (hopefully) nearby congregation.
They do have traditional church services, with sitting at pews and singing hymns (a select hymnal with a lot of pagany hymns) and a sermon, but the sermon is always about philosophical things and thought provoking stuff, or more recently about current events. For example, when I went for my first time to a nearby church, the reverend spoke about her life growing up queer and everything the world did to make her feel like she didn't belong.
If you can give the church format a chance, I can't recommend it enough. A lot of the greatest most loving people I have met have been UU, and I still love and cherish them to this day.
Sorry if this is too churchy for what you are looking for. I would say if you're pretty liberal/leftist and you want to find groups that do/talk about stuff like that you can often find those connected to UU churches in some way and they'll never pressure you beyond "oh we hope you will stay, we love to have you" and things like that.
I am going to attend my local UU church. After reading all the comments and learning about it I am also a social worker and I think it sounds absolutely beautiful, and I love old hippies! I am not old (millennial) but I will be someday and so that's okay with me. I am not religious but I deeply respect everyone else's right to their own life journey and I see the beauty in everyone. I was reading the pocket book and it resonates a lot for me. Imho, the slogan / motto could be "don't be a dick" in simplified form so it seems which is pretty rad!
The young adult and youth experience in the UU church was pretty great. Less church-y, more interactive. I made a lot of good friends when I was younger there.
I feel I should make a video about this. Online social media has made it very easy to find the 500 people across the whole world who think our frog picture is funny. It’s a lot harder to find 3 people in your town to have a drink with.
One simple idea; something I joined instead of initiating, is to make a WhatsApp group, put its QR code on a page (print at the library if you don’t have one) then put up the link anywhere you think people tend to walk. Explain it’s a social group for your given age demographic, but suggest it’s open to anyone. From there, suggest outings, get to know people, ask or offer small favors, etc.
I knew a Unitarian. He described going to church as more like a weekly potluck.
There are also local political clubs you could look into as they will be focused on local community issues.
I just started going to a Unitarian Universalist church. I grew up Catholic and couldn't stand it. Instead of reading from the Bible or talking about God they are reading words from civil rights activists and talking about how to build community and resist ICE. I really have been enjoying this as a way to actually get out of the house and connect with people with similar values. This Sunday I signed up to help in their garden planning for this season too.
Men in sheds is now fairly international. It's primarily aimed is at retired or disadvantaged men. Most are not gender limiting however. They often do a lot of community outreach stuff too.
For younger demographics, makerspaces (aka hackspaces or hackerspaces) fill a similar role. You don't need to go in with any particular knowledge, just an attitude of making new friends.
Also, don't be afraid to use groups as jumping off points. Often members will be involved in other activities that might suit you better.
Unitarian Universalism. It is about common social values - you know, stuff like helping your neighbors and whatnot. You don't have to be a particular religion, just be decent.
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Honestly, libraries can be. Big, you can visit whenever, they have weekly events and a community that you can get to know.
EDIT: But that's probably a profoundly obvious answer, sorry haha.
Hello and thank you for asking the question I have been waiting to answer.
I have been an atheist since I was eleven. At times, I have been viciously critical of organized religion. I have absolutely no tolerance for intolerance of people on the basis of skin colour, ability, or sexual orientation, identity, or preference.
My wife and I wanted to have a child, but we had no family and few friends in a new city. In any case, both my mother and mother-in-law have passed away. If our child was ever going to have much of a community, we knew we would have to build it.
Two years ago I started to go to church. I tried to pick carefully: I was not interested in hearing about how people are lowly sinners, that we need to be saved, that without big-G God we are all screwed, etc., etc. In my case, I settled on the United Church of Canada. I found a local ministry that had undertaken the process of becoming an Affirming Ministry - that is, a ministry that explicitly seeks to atone for past mistreatment of LGBTQ2S+ community members and explicitly welcomes their full participation. I sought this not because I am a member of that community, but because I consider it a sign of a genuine desire to be and do good on the part of the congregation. I am aware that the United Church was involved in residential schools and that the abuse of Indigenous People in such schools was horrible. The UC does not try to hide their involvement. They have apologized and are trying to make amends for the unforgivable things the church was party to - I think the effort to do better is sincere.
When I went to my first service, I was shaking. I brought a notepad and pen to write down all the awful stuff that I expected the Minister to say. People were friendly enough, but they didn't know I was ... an atheist. I thought that when they found out, they would chase me out with torches and pitchforks. I sat through the whole service waiting to hear the minister say something unforgivable so we could get up and leave.
So it's been two years and this is how it is going: I am an openly atheist member of my church community. I don't go every week, but I miss it when I don't go. Everyone was friendly, from the beginning. Nothing changed when I told them I was an atheist. No one has EVER tried to convert me: not the minister, not anybody. Other members of the congregation believe different things than I believe, but we don't get in each other's faces about it.
Mostly, we sing and talk about what it means to be a good person. Then we eat biscuits and drink coffee and chat. Religion has never come up outside of service.
Our minister says that god is love - and I think she might mean it literally. Sometimes I genuinely believe that what we are celebrating is nothing more than the idea of people loving each other, caring for each other, and striving to build a better world. We don't discuss sin or the afterlife. We welcome people of other faiths (and no faith) into our church.
A common theme at our church is the idea that Jesus has no hands but these (please imagine i am gesturing with my hands, and pointing at yours, etc). If the very mention of "Jesus" makes you cringe a little - I am right there with you. However, what I think they mean is that if people want to create a better world, we have to do the work. No one is coming to help us. Our church tries to do some of that good work: we sponsor refugees (currently a muslim family from Afghanistan who come to all the social events but rarely the service), we collect for the foodbank, do outreach to the elderly and disabled. We even organized a counter-protest when a hate group held a rally in our city. Church is a great way to find volunteer opportunities, if you are into that.
On the social side, our latest initiative is a games night. We also do movie screenings and play groups. We are trying to become, in some small way, a third place. You absolutely do NOT have to come to service to attend this events.
As for my family? They love it. It has become an important part of our social life. We know people in our community, and my son gets to meet all sorts - including our new friends who are elderly and disabled. I believe that a way to raise tolerant and empathic kids is to expose them to real diversity.
Not every church is like this, I know. The UC even has an atheist Minister (in Toronto, I believe) - that can't be common. Maybe your town doesn't have something like this. If you can't find this, you could try the Secular Humanist Association. I used to go to their weekly meetings - they never said anything cringe, but they also never did much in the way of helping the community. Also, they don't sing :(
Edit: i accidentally used a real name haha
Damn. Why cant every church be like this ? Why cant it be: be good to each other. I dont care if you believe in sky fairy or Buddha. But dont be an asshole.
End of sermon. There's cookies out front and we are serving soup for anyone unhoused on Wednesday night. We would appreciate any volunteers. Be excellent to each other!
What do you call this denomination???
That is something I never understood about Christianity: Why would God place equal importance to "being a good person" and "believe in me or else"?
To me it seems like being a good person should be way more important. But in practice it seems like believing in God is the key and everything else is secondary, like you can be an asshole but just make sure you're a believer.
Awesome reply, and inspiring for what I might find in the last place I would have looked.
Try a library if you want to do family activities.
Do you live in a city, and do you have hobbies? If you like stuff like anime, go to an anime con, it's great and how I know a huge amount of my friend group
Sunday Assembly is what you're looking for.
You can usually find community and some cool people at local mutual aid groups, here's how to find those.
You could do Satanism but not actually worship Satan since he doesn't exist either but rather, I believe it is the Satanic Temple(look it up). Their credo is really good, like treat people equally and with kindness, that sort of thing. I think they formed to sort if troll Christians. Like if Christians were able to put a nativity in the capital, the temple would also apply to put something in the capital.
Anyway, another idea would be to join a maker space, if you like to use your hands.
Personally, I'm into cars so I joined a club and I race on weekends and go to car shows. I think anything that puts you on contact with like minded people will help you meet people to make friends. Good luck.
The Satanic Temple has done some good political work in the name of religious freedom, but its leadership has kind of a dodgy past. So maybe look into that a bit before you decide to throw in with them.
I agree that joining affinity groups certainly helps to build community. Knowing that you already have something in common with everyone in the room is a great ice breaker.
If you are willing to risk a financially debilitating addiction to cardboard or minis, your local game store could fill that role. I have jokingly referred to my usually-weekly visit to my LGS as "nerd church," complete with the tithe of a few booster packs. You have to get lucky though because the quality of community can vary wildly. I am fortunate in that regard.
If a hobby exists there's probably a local group for it
Things like hiking, biking, gardening are the most common
Live music performances often fill that void for me. It doesn't have to be a fancy orchestra or expensive venue, my town hosts free live music once a week. The music is nice because it gives you the opportunity to zone out and be introspective while surrounded by others. There is also usually a social scene before and after the set.
Church seems to fill the hobby need and has some of the same core aspects
- common interest
- regular meet ups
- online and in person groups
Honestly replacement really could be as simple as finding a group that fits your hobbies (I’m in a writing group for example)
Alternatively volunteer, it checks a lot of the same boxes (sense of community, trying to make things better) with none of the religious bits (assuming you find an agnostic organization)
Church is definitely easier to keep managed than the other options. I thought I finally found a hobby group of people I enjoyed hanging out with, but after a couple weeks everyone just stopped talking to each other. We even have a Discord group and the last message was sent in mid-December.
I've also struggled to find much for volunteer work that gets me connected to people I'd want to be around. Seems like the only people doing volunteer stuff are people 10+ years younger than me, usually young girls, which just makes me feel uncomfortable being the only guy in his 30s.
Birding. Get into birdwatching. Mediative closeness with nature. A realization of the whole. Everything is connected
Kinda random, but I've thought about joining a local non-church choir to meet people in a similar way.
Nope, nothing else offers an out from the fear of death.
look for granges and mutual aid projects. that's been my experience. they offer the community and the mutual support, put without the guilt, shame, and hate
What's a grange?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Grange
fraternal order with an overall left-wing populist stand on most things founded right after the civil war. fundamentally, granges represent a form of mutual aid with a bit more structure, a bit more hierarchy, and a bit more pre-existing connections into local communities than starting a new mutual aid project from scratch.
they're a bit more direct in how they seek to help people through politics than things like the odd fellows or rotary clubs, but also a little bit more explicitly political. that said, for the experience of being in a church and removing harmful aspects, they have a lot of the same features:
- community meetings
- broad coordination of support across long distances
- a purposeful attempt to influence society at large through outreach and financial influence
I wish something like the sunrise movement started a new religion about taking climate change seriously. No sky bully, just people gathering weekly to hear about the earth, what we can do to make it better.
What would the core tenements be?
- anti consumption
- probably encouraging people to eat less/no meat
- energy efficiency - home improvements that make a difference
- most importantly- opting away from big corporate polluters when at all possible. Buy local not Amazon. Individual choice doesn’t mean much compared to systemic environmental harm.
I’ve also thought about this a bit and this is my best pitch. But I don’t think it’s very likely to happen when it’s hard enough just getting by for most people now.
Why would this need to be a religion though?
I go to a music school where I practice with a band for 90 minutes every Sunday.
I also host "sauna sundays" at my house during the colder months.
My partner for awhile played mahjong with a group every weekend at the local furry coffee shop and taproom.
There are so many ways to church without church, and arguably they're a hell of a lot better than religious indoctrination and reinforcement. Nobody needs that shit to love their neighbor.
You do not need to be a member to join events in most public University clubs.
Where I live, pretty rural mountain county, we've got like 5 run clubs, 8 mountain bike clubs, 3 ski clubs, a weekly triathlon when it's warmer out, and just a ton of other community events. Getting in shape is a lot more fun when you have friends that will encourage you. All you have to do is show up consistently.
Run club got me through some very lonely depressed times.
Earlier in time we all had a little bit of money left over for adventure and community. Nowadays everything costs too much and is branded and corporatized to cost even more. Most rational thinking people just stay home because they're broke. I agree that we need more real life socialization opportunities but the best we can do is technology "social" media.
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