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[–] 120 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The NRA is frantically running the numbers to see what will increase public fear, and thus sales figures for the gun companies, the most.

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  • [+] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Ironically, thanks to the 2A loonies we don't really need them anymore. Can even rifle a barrel liner using a car battery and a bucket of salt water at this point.

    Print, [redacted], repeat

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    is there a more in depth write up on that process? that's pretty sweet

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  • I'm pretty sure you can find videos on it on YouTube, but it essentially boils down to creating an array of copper wire in the shape of the rifling, inserting that into the barrel liner, then putting the whole thing into the bucket and hooking the wire up to electricity. This then slowly etches the rifling into the liner through electrolysis.

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  • [–] 108 points 9 months ago

    “I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida … to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

    “Take the guns first, go through due process second,”

    • Donald J Trump, Feb 28, 2018

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/376097-trump-take-the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/

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  • [–] 76 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Quick question...

    Did they take the gun from the 34x convicted felon?

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  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago* (8 children)

    Why does he need a gun when he has an entire army and nukes? Apparently if you're a felon you can't have a pistol but it's no issue being in charge of the most powerful army in the world and one of the biggest nuclear arsenals.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Did you miss the fact that he has (or at least had, prolly still has it though), a custom Orange Turnip gold plated gun?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    That's just ornamental. A trophy.

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    [–] 67 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    In a twisted way, Trump is inadvertently trying hard to prove that more guns in the hands of untrained people with no background checks are a bad idea, something NRA was hoping to keep down. The cat is out of the bag now.

    Anyway, fight girls.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I get the irony but if he managed to actually enact some form of gun control in this country it would be the hardest pill in the world for people like us to swallow who just can't stand that fucking idiot.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    As much as it has zero chance of ever happening, he pushed for a max 10% on credit card debt. It’d all but destroy some banks, and people that dont have excellent credit would largely have zero credit availability, but I think it’s a good idea.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Credit cards is a money trickling up system. Banks charge the sellers and give a rebate to their customers. Sellers increase their price to compensate for the credit card fees.
    And then the poor are denied credit cards and pay the marked-up price on everything, or are given credit cards knowing they will fail to pay back on time at some point and then pay huge interests.
    It would be better for most if that system disappeared or was at least severely trimmed down!

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Agreed. Short term pain for long term gain is something we desperately need to change but today's culture is too lost in the system to ever deal with it.

    If it meant a better life for my daughter when she grows up I'd do what I had to. I'm doing what I can but it isn't much.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    in the hands of untrained people with no background checks

    In the context and language of the time, "well regulated" essentially meant "properly trained in their use" so there's a constitutional argument to be made for mandatory firearms training as a prerequisite gun ownership. That's...not going to reduce shootings in the ways you might expect, since a large portion of shootings are not done with legally owned guns to begin with, and there's no good reason organized crime (think gang and/or narcotics related, connected is why a few dozen counties account for something like 4 in 10 homicides) would use guns legally registered to themselves.

    Would probably reduce the suicide rate though - anything that breaks the immediacy between wanting to do it and trying to do it tends to.

    An important step up on the whole issue would be making gun owners legally liable for any crimes committed with a firearm they own, even if it's stolen unless the theft was reported beforehand and there is clear evidence that it was properly secured at the time of theft. You steal your father's rifle and go shoot up your school and he's on the hook for the murders too. Would make a bunch of folks much more concerned about properly securing their arms, which would further reduce the suicide rate if nothing else and put a dent in the "lone nutter shoots up their school" types as well.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Let me translate this:

    You (the Outgroup, meaning leftists) can't have guns. If You (the Outgroup) does this, We (the ingroup, the right) will kill you. You have no rights, We have no restrictions.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Guys... what is happening to your country?

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    it looks like the start of a civil war. i hope it doesn't come to that, but it really looks like that's where it's headed.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If we keep society together and martial law isn't declared before midterms then we might be good. We might go to sweep them without a civil war. But should martial law be declared or we don't get the midterms for whatever reason......

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Then it'll fracture along state lines, ie states that have the wherewithal to stand up against the feds. Which if they don't organize among themselves will be ... California. Maybe New York. And the little ones will be steamrolled. Although I'd guess the purple states that insist on more autonomy and are more difficult to police (AZ, Colorado, Montana, Utah) will just sort of fly under the radar.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I think states will still band together a bit. New england would probably stick together. California, Oregon, and Washington. All of the south, including Florida now, would stick together too.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago

    They want to deny you even the chance to die on your feet. How's all that owning the libs feel now, huh conservatives? You love it when your daddy treads on you to tread on the people you don't like. Every Republican voter is a traitor.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is how the general public finds out that the NRA = Nationalist Racist Association

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    One of the main purposes (arguably the primary purpose?) of the "well regulated militia" was to ensure that settlers could attack and exterminate American Indian tribes during westward expansion.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago

    A federal agent did not kill a civilian. A Confederate soldier killed an American citizen.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    I really think you all aren't properly focusing on the word "you" here. By "you" he means "not them"... So he essentially is saying "You libtards can't have guns, because us Maga-idiots will shoot you if you do".

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago
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    So this seems relevant again

    https://youtu.be/yJqfNroFp8U

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If we hold ICE protests in schools every day then the feds will work to keep guns out of schools?

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

    something something FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS

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  • [–] 57 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    It's a fun take, and Lemmy is a bit of an echo chamber, so let me enlighten you all on how that would kind of go:

    The MAGA crowd is a combination of idiocy, brain damage, and then dark tetrad people.

    They don't care if their cult leader is hypocritical, they'll defend everything he says, even if it hurts their own interests; they'll cherry pick, gaslight, and deny basic facts.

    When you see them from a point of clinical detachment, their behavior makes a kind of twisted sense. The mistake is the assumption that they're just like you, and can be reasoned with or moved using empathy. Their worldview is fundamentally different, and typically only changes via direct experience: "leopards ate my face". Sometimes not even then.

    It's downright infuriating at times because it reminds me of that antisemitism quote:

    Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

    Jean-Paul Sartre

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Very defeatist of you to suggest his base will always defend him, right after they appear to no longer be defending him

    Only the most ardent propagandists are defending this killing. We have yet to see how it will play out, but you're telling us to give up already?

    No. I won't give up as easily as you have. We will keep fighting

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They will absolutely defend him. There was a clip that went viral a few weeks back from a podcast where leftist children chat politics with their MAGA parents and the seriously MAGA-pilled father said (paraphrasing here) that he'd be okay with his son getting shot and killed because of Trump because Trump must've had a good reason to order whatever killed his son.

    You can also go to the leopardsatemyface community where you regularly see Trump supporters get fucked by Trump only to have them say they'll still support Trump.

    They're also justifying the murders of American citizens with the "just obey. If you agitate them and you get killed that's your fault".

    I'm not saying give up. I'm saying some parts of MAGA (hard to say how much) are so lost in the sauce I don't know what Trump would have to do to get them to change their mind.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There will always be a percentage that will follow their cult leader. But as things get worse you do see more move away. If in the lepordsatemyface community you see people regretting their vote (only because it harmed them) and swearing to no longer support Trump

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    With the beautiful propaganda machine and echo chambers they have built, those people moving away just come right back (and most never leave at all). Just look at the number of individuals on leopards ate my face the first time around, and note the numbers of trump voters in his three runs.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    The stupidity of right wing people who aren't rich never ceases to amaze me.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    And you’re still saying you don’t have a king ruling over you , America?

    He really shit all over your second amendment rights there. Wiped his royal butt with it.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    So MAGA, let's check the scoreboard:

    • America First - yeah, NO.
    • Release the Epstein Files - Who?
    • Lower prices on day one - tariffs are more important
    • 2A Champion - Only for who they choose.

    So what are you still in for? The voracious Corruption? The Pedophilia? The virtuosic incompetence? The sending Americans to die in another endless foreign war to make oil companies wealthy? Paramilitary Death Squads having spontaneous firing squads in the streets?

    This is what you voted for. Is this the free America you envisioned?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    And everyone of them will say to you completely honestly, "it's a freer America than if I had voted for a Democrat."

    At this point it's tribalism. Anyone who still supports Trump and the Republicans will always support them. Being Republican is part of their identity, it's the identity they share with their family, friends and coworkers. It's the identity of their community. They're not going to walk away from all that just because one irresponsible ICE agent killed one guy in a democratic city. They can't, they'd be walking away from everything they've known. Like their football team, they'll cheer their team on no matter what because it's their team. Simple as that.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    "Gun control" will continue to be a means of controlling undesirables while the fash base is still supported.

    These current attacks are a good example. They're attacking protesters in non-fashy areas. They'll find similar ways of controlling guns for themselves.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Trump has been contentious among the pro gun crowd. He has supported red flag laws and instituted the bump stock ban. I don't think this is him being inconsistent.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Tomorrow the morons will be lining up to turn in their guns.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    he’s gonna start missing having CNN and NBC News in the press pool if he keeps this up.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Cleaned my rifles over the weekend, they're cycling great now.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If I were a left leaning gun owner in the States, I would offer the same rhetoric the right has been spewing every time sensible gun control is attempted:

    MOLON LABE.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    always wanted a sniper rifle w/silencer. but cocaine is class x so m16 it is. qualified sharpshooter 👤

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    That guy really speak like that?

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  • [+] -7 points 9 months ago (17 children)

    I highly doubt the US will ban guns. Firsy because there would be a lot of blowback. Secondly, one does not simply remove an amendment.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    They'll ban guns the exact same way they implemented gun control: with racial implications and fear mongering at the idiot level, and subtle winking to each other at the politician level. Then they'll slowly add on each time they 'find' a new group to demonize and target. It's 'first they came for...' in practice.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    A constitution is just a piece of paper.

    Did you know: In China, Freedom of Speech is actually in their constitution? But guess what actually happens in practice.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Did you know: In China, Freedom of Speech is actually in their constitution? But guess what actually happens in practice.

    Did you know: In USA, Freedom of Speech is actually in their constitution? But guess what actually happens in practice.

    JFC...you guys are still thinking China is the one with an oppressive government?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I was born in China so I think I have a right to talk about it

    Oppressive government, yes absolutely.

    The CCP tried to stop me from being born because I was the 2nd child in my faily and they forcibly sterilized my mother for violating one child policy.

    Hukou System effectively being "internal border control" system that would deny you rights if your ancestry is rural.

    I was born in Guangzhou City, same as my older brother, my parents worked in Guangzhou, but we were denied the right to be enrolled in their public schools (that's after the one child policy fine has already been paid) because we inherited our parents Taishan (rural) Hukou so parents had to pay for some shitty privately-run school which was worse than public ones. 2nd class resident BS, just like the US's system of exploiting undocumented immigrants, except PRC does this to its own citizens.

    You can ackowledge multiple government's oppression simultaneously. It's not a competition of "which is more oppressive", both can be at the same time.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Secondly, one does not simply remove an amendment.

    but it can be ignored.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah. Good thing they haven't been violating the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th amendments constantly without consequence.

    The only reason they haven't violated the 3rd is because they manage to find administration-friendly hotels, and the 7th is actually kinda difficult for them to violate.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    The US wont ban guns but it has nothing to do with what Trump wants, the moment he blurts out he wants to ban them his caretakers will send someone in that appears intelligence in Trumps perspective and they will convince him otherwise.

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