What’s going on in that one area in Montana?
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Swear to god, every heat map of the US highlights how much of a shit hole the Mississippi delta must be.
Are there maps like this for other part of the world? I'd imagine Europe has a much lower rate of car commuting.
In comparison to the US yeah probably but still overall pretty high would be my assumption.
I found this picture showing the whole world.

That is an abomination of data vis, good god
Yes it takes some time to decode, but it has lots of info.
It would be nice to somehow compare distances, time and population density as well.
Americans drive a lot, but they don't actually drive very far for work, whereas in Europe it's rather common to work in a different city than where you live. Asia has the highest population density and this benefits them both in finding local work and building public transport.
Yeah, I'm in the US Northeast. My commute is only 20 minutes and is 95% on the highway/motorway between cities here. This goes for pretty much everyone here with an office job. it just varies of course how far away you have to drive to get on/off.
We mostly do it in the same direction (toward the biggest city in the morning and back to the 'burbs in the evening) and most of us do this at roughly the same time each day.
If only there were a way to link our cars up together? Maybe even make them bigger to accommodate more passengers and share costs? Oh and we could put them on some sort of low-friction guided track!
.... hey, wait a second!
I've lived in some of the counties in the south under 100% reliance and let me assure you outside of the major cities many are only under 100% due to crippling poverty. I can't tell you how many people I've know in my life thay have had to walk 2 hrs one way to a shitty low paying job at a gas station or dollar general.
Do farmers depend on cars to get to work?
No. Because farmers are quite wealthy. We've had more than a century of farm consolidation. Farming is only profitable at a large scale. Only the wealthy can afford to be farmers.
Truthfully there aren't that many people whose full time job is just "farmer". But those that are usually all have cars anyway.
Four out of the top nine counties are in NYC. Once again a common W for Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx (not you Staten Island, you suck)
Staten Island doesn't have the subway infrastructure that other boroughs have. The one line it does have does has relatively high usage. Maybe it's wise to expand it?
Im not saying Staten Island cant be good, there simply isn't the political will to improve anything. If their government and people got the heads out of the sand they would notice that there is demand for more rail infrastructure. Kinda like how there's significant amounts of unmet rail demand in Queens and Brooklyn (hopefully the IBX helps the issue)
You're saying it as if Staten Island is its own city. The truth is that they can't control the resources to build new lines. That's something that only the city and state can do, and neither are prioritizing it rn
Sure but consider that the MTA could be investing money toward places that would more appreciate it, Queenslink and the IBX are well received and suffer from very little resistance from local politicians. The MTA has almost no reason to invest in a hostile area that until relatively recently was extremely anti public transportation (the MTA operates on a decade long timeframe at a time).
I think people make the mistake that NIMBYs represent the population, when in reality they're just a very vocal and obnoxious minority as is the case in most places. I feel like most people there would appreciate a direct line to either Brooklyn or Manhattan, ideally both. I don't think the city is wrong per se in prioritizing the other boroughs as they have more people, but I still think that Staten Island shouldn't be left out of the mix. It's still a big part of the city.
Tbh if they want MTA investment they're going to need to have their public transit supports make some massive noise, because rn the MTA and the politicians see Nimbys. Also there are a few key issues with this that need to be kept in mind:
- The Staten Island railway is sorta doing its own thing so integration would expensive
- The Verrazzano Bridge is not suitable for rail in general
- Making a new bridge would be incredibly expensive
- Making a tunnel would be even more expensive
- Making a tunnel directly to Manhattan would be absolutely expensive
- The subway service that serves that part of Brooklyn seems a bit overextended already
Staten’s a bunch of republicans. They aren’t gonna pay for anything that lets the rabble in.
They're already paying NYC taxes what are you talking about?
What is supposed to be surprising about this?
Everywhere I have lived, and everyone I have ever met had to take a car.
There are like maybe 15 places in the US with a functioning public transportation system.
Jobs are downtown but nobody make enough money to live downtown. Last time I tried it would have been > 75% my wages in rent only just to live in shit hole. I literally would not be able to feed myself.
The map actually does a good job of highlighting how population dense places exist without a lot of cars per person. New York and San Francisco are both shown and have green or yellow patches. Mass transit works so damn good but, like election maps, the actual region highlighted is empty space with a few people all doing the same things.
The real alternative to cars isn't public transit; it's walking and biking (with zoning density that facilitates that). Public transit is a 'nice to have' layer built on top afterward.
Absolutely not, having good rail infrastructure is an absolute bear necessity especially for the young, the elderly, and the disabled. But also people don't want to walk and bike everywhere, people (myself included) want to just jump on a train and relax.
How are you gonna get your stroller, walker, or wheelchair from the train station to your actual destination without a sidewalk?
Not everybody lives in the US and in a lot of countries being able to go to work without a car is normal.
I mean there are a lot of people that do go without cars. I went without a car for 8 years because I lived on a bus line and I worked on a bus or a train line depending on how far I had to go. The commute sucked sometimes was over 2 hours. There are times where I had to be on the bus at 4:30 in the morning to be to work at 6:30. And when you go 4 to 5 hours a day just commuting a car is very nice because that same drive was maybe 45 minutes between morning and afternoon. That gives you so much more time to do everything else. Having a functioning system doesn't mean much when you have to go so far.
I am not sure what your point is.
So you went without a car and spent 2 entire months of your year commuting in hours.
And that's...?
My point is if you're spending that much time commuting it's not really efficient nor does it work for most people's lives. Which is why most people opt to drive their car to and from work and pretty much anywhere else. I don't know what you're asking and I don't know how to explain that better than that to you. I thought it was pretty evident with making a statement that oftentimes commuting over mass transit is not the best option. No matter how efficient or get the bus system or chain system is. Hell the bus system in my area comes every 15 minutes and the train is usually every 5 to 10 minutes even on weekends. We have a large commuter train that comes anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes depending on the time of day and whether or not it's a weekend. But when you're having to travel so many miles it's still takes time no matter what.
Yeah, this is one of the reasons why I only want to live in the NYC area of the US. Just take the train or bus, don't worry about it.
America is essentially a third world country with just a handful of developed metropolitan areas
And those few developed areas havnt meaningfully evolved or improved in decades and especially compared to the infrastructure developments seen in asia or Europe
Conclusion: the Gulf Coast makes Americans crave cars.
The lack of sufficient population density to support public transit makes Americans crave cars. Population density is low because the US has the space, and the areas that are dense are stupidly expensive.
I'd love to take a bus or light rail to work, but instead I end up having a saily commuteof over 100 miles round trip. In the city where I work, a 600sft studio apartment would cost an extra 30 grand a year versus my 3 bed, 2 bath place 50-ish miles away.
I feel like the only interesting bits are the yellow places that aren't big cities (with their subways or whatever), and that aren't places separated by water, where it makes sense that they travel across by ferry e.g. The few places where you'd expect cars to be the vast majority, but isn't. Those seem interesting to look closer into.
They're farmer. They live on the farm, and ride a tractor to work.
Also interesting, but, if true, not much better than cars. 😬
I knew it was bad,but this really shows some perspective. Holy shit dudes.
Does anyone know of similar maps for European or Asian countries? The only thing I’ve found so far it this report, but it doesn’t go into county-level detail.
Haha, greatest country in the world my arse!
There are a lot of reason why we're not, but excessive car use is one of the lesser reasons!
I think that's inflated. Many will say they depend on it without even having tried the local public transport, if available.
It's greatly inflated by virtue of doing it by county instead, mingling major transit routes with fully rural areas.
But even that aside I strongly agree. Cook county would be under 50 if people were more willing to take the train
Availability isn't the question. I'm assuming the survey question is "do you drive to work or take public transportation."
I have the ability to take a train to work, but it would take me an extra 30 minutes or so each way because I live only a minute walk from the train station, but my job is about a mile away. Also, the train costs me more than driving. I've done it, and would rather do it, but it doesn't work well enough.
Cars: a symbol of freedom dependency
I am very resentful that we went such a ridiculous, wasteful direction.
What's that one tiny little yellow square in California? SF?
If it's SF I gotta know why there are so many cars there then. So many cars, not enough parking. It's common to see people double, or even triple parked. But it is also the most walkable city I've experienced next to New York. Though, going up hill fucking suuuuucks!
The cars belong to commuters whose car use would be reflected in their home county instead of SF.
If it’s SF I gotta know why there are so many cars there then.
Part of this will be people who simply have the habit of driving no matter what. A small part of that will be people who legitimately need a personal car even in a fairly pedestrian friendly area (eg, people with disabilities). However, a big part of the phenomenon you are observing is people who live in SF needing to leave it, and people who live outside SF needing to enter it. While SF itself may be pedestrian friendly (relative to the rest of the US at least), the bay area as a whole is still a cars-as-default space. So maybe you bought a house in the city proper and love living there, but your job (which you got after buying the house and which you must keep in order to pay the mortgage) is in a suburban office park. And you have many friends with homes in the suburbs who you like to visit. And you love travelling to the Sierras, but there is no good transit for this purpose. On the other hand, perhaps you live in the burbs, but work downtown - you could park at a more far-flung transit station and ride transit into the denser part of town, but due to the friction of transferring between modes, sitting in traffic for a few more minutes is a less painful experience.
The solution is simple: either charge more for public on-street parking and aggressively enforce parking laws with meter maids - or simply ban cars from streets/areas which are already pedestrian friendly. In either case, especially in a place like SF, you should also scale fines for breaking the law with the law-breaker's income/wealth.
Saying there isnt enough parking in SF is like saying that there isnt enough ice cream in SF. Sure, everyone will admit that they like it when it is presented to them - but the fact is that the government shouldnt be in the business of ensuring that there is a limitless supply of it at all times.
Thanks for the reminder that suicide is a preferable alternative to living in the USA.
0-50% is one color.
50-90% is 4 colors.
90-100% is 2 colors.
Given the percent of the map that falls in the 0-50 range, there's really no reason for it to be 5 (or 10) colors. Conversely, the 90-100 range accounts for a very large amount of the map, and being able to differentiate it is valuable.
This isn't like a graph where the scale changes in the middle to obfuscate the data; it's making the map more readable and providing more information, it just requires the user to actually be literate.
What's going on in Montana?
They’re not listed in the top counties list in the corner, so I suspect No Data Available became 0% when coloring in. Otherwise, maybe most people live on the ranch they work at?
People live on farms?
One would think we'd see that in other farm regions like gestures broadly to the middle of the country
Decided to look into the yellow counties in Montana because I was shocked if they could even be 49%. Petroleum County (a truly American name) in Montana has 228 occupied households and seemingly no public transportation. However, 58.2% of the county is employed in mining.
So my best guess is a company bus that comes around and picks up everybody? It seems like the bulk of the remainder are farmers, which would mean they don't "need" to drive anywhere. Although they do drive constantly across their property as part of the work, which feels like cheating.
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