Yeah I installed that one you're thinking of.

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[–] 130 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I dual boot Arch and Arch, and I run an Arch hypervisor as well as an Arch vm in each Arch instance.

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    The one that makes you happy.

    ^Or at least overrides the desire to grab a sledgehammer when troubleshooting^

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago

    According to a survey of the Linux community, the best distro is always not the one that you picked.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    Mint is pretty much the de facto recommendation for absolute beginners freshly moving away from Windows right now, but LMDE especially will be subject to dealing with older software.

    Otoh, any of the Puppy distros are a great option for genuinely old hardware; think AM2+/775 or older, that a lot of heavier distros may or may not struggle on.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Having Socket 775, Puppy Linux and genuinely old hardware in the sentence shook me.

    I still remember being in high school playing Minecraft on those Optiplexes, and even before that playing Poptropica and CoolMathGames..

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    775 is a 21-year-old platform and AM2+ is 18 years old.

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  • Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you, more so making a comment on how it never occurred to me they were that old today.

    That being said, by the time I was playing with 775 computers they were pretty out of date (2013) and by 2015 all of those machines were replaced at my school. So in a rational sense that explains the time disparity I feel for Socket 775.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    but LMDE especially will be subject to dealing with older software

    Are you sure about this? As far as I know, debian modernized their repos quite a bit even compared to ubuntu, that also sparked some controversy from debian long time fans especially because they wanted more dated, stable software. Never used LMDE though, so I'm not sure if it applies

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago

    i have two moods:

    stable (for a server): debian

    rolling release (for gaming): arch

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Fedora. It's the one Linus uses.

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    Good analogy by using cars. You can test drive a car. Since a lot (all?) distros have a way to run off a USB, so you can get the general "feel" of it. Then you can go from there. Or if you have room to work with, setting up dual boot isn't that hard (outside of how Windows acts sometimes about it). Asking a lot of people what flavor ice cream they prefer isn't going to help you decide your own.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    The easiest way would be getting the cheapest SSD (even 30 GB is enough for most distros), swap your current disk with it, play around, and return where you were, if you don’t like anything.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Gentoo, everything else is for plebs

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    I just want it to work and not spy on me. It's not part of my self-image, I don't even own a Tux shirt. It's just a tool.

    I run Mint. It works. I'm happy.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    I use Arch by the way

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    If you're new to Linux: Mint. Use Mint, with Cinnamon. Or MATE, if you're hardware is older. It works just how you'd expect.

    There's many other distros for other purposes. Bazzite has a lot of people who like it for games. If you really want to control EVERYTHING about your machine there's Arch. If you want bleeding edge software and don't mind/can fix the occasional problem caused by rolling releases then I suggest Manjaro.

    But most Windows refugees will be looking for something familiar that works and stays out of their face, and for that the simple answer is Mint.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I've never used Linux, but I'm interested in trying it. Is Mint easy to install?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    From experience (this was a few years ago, but still holds up even today), yes. The GUI installer isΒ veryΒ easy to use (there's lots of visual stuff to). The one thing that the installer does better that the Debian installer, in my opinion, is partitioning (there's more visual aids (a slider you can move around, I believe) (a disclaimer: this is basedoff of materials that i read online, not any personal experience)).

    If you want images and stuff, you can always look up 'Calamares installer' (which I believe is the installer Mint uses)

    Wish you the best of luck on your linux journey!

    E: disclaimerΒ 

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Ah, I just noticed your reply now! I'd say Mint's about as easy to install as the other major installations. If you don't care about dual booting, you can just let the installer use the entire hard disk, and that greatly simplifies everything. If you decide to go back to Windows you'll have to go through that process, of course, but usually you make recovery media early on in your system's life, and you could boot from that to get back to a factory state.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Fedora for sure, generally pretty up to date, lots of users so you can find articles pretty easily, and it’s a lot more stable than Arch BTW

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    TL;DR: Ubuntu + KDE Plasma (=Kubuntu) + X11 (Wayland fucks with my Firefox)

    First thing to acknowledge about Linux is that you have 2 choices in front of you about how you want to configure your operating system:

    Distro, and desktop environment.

    A distro or distribution for short is the part of the operating system that runs programs, updates them, etc. A distro like Ubuntu will incorporate different code syntactically than another distro like Fedora, but will largely perform the same actions. For instance, to update all of your apps/programs in Ubuntu, you would run sudo apt-get update. To do the same thing in Fedora, you would run sudo dnf update. Other than that, different distros might be optimized for some things over others. Bazzite and SteamOS are distros that optimize for gaming, while Debian is optimized for long-term stability for things like servers.

    Desktop environment (DE) on the other hand is all about what you see on your screen. It's the visual portion of your operating system. In my opinion, the choice of DE for you comes down to what's comfortable to use and/or what you grew up with previously. So if you grew up using Windows computers, then DEs like KDE Plasma or Cinnamon would work for you. If you grew up on Mac computers instead, Gnome would be your best choice.

    For me, I got exposed to Linux with my Steam Deck, so I wanted to mirror the Deck's Desktop Mode on my laptop. The Steam Deck uses Fedora Arch as the distro and KDE Plasma as the DE. I changed the distro for my new Framework laptop to Ubuntu because I'm more familiar with that, having used Ubuntu computers in middle and high school and dabbling with Ubuntu virtual machines on Windows in the past. KDE Plasma is chill because it reminds me of Windows the most.

    And of course, distro and DE aren't the only choices you have on Linux... You have your display server engine like X11 or Wayland, and the seemingly limitless assortment of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) alternatives to your favorite apps/programs on Windows/Mac/Android/iOS.

    Edit: Steam Deck uses the Arch distro instead of Fedora.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Solid write up!! One correction though, steam deck uses their own version of arch for the distro, Bazzite is running Fedora under the hood though.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Ahh, that's right. It's Arch, not Fedora.

    I'll make the edit! Thanks

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    If you want a gaming focused Arch distro, Garuda has been easy and hassle free for me.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I really liked Garuda but I had to switch because my NVIDIA drivers kept breaking :(

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    Funny, because I had the opposite problem with my laptop... Bazzite couldn't seem to keep the nvidia gpu happy and working so I switched to Garuda and it hasn't had a problem gaming since.

    I love Linux, but hate the user-to-user inconsistency - it really makes answering the #1 question "which distro should I use" basically impossible to answer. Go download all of them that sound interesting and put them on flash drives and try them out in live environment - narrow down to the ones you like the look of the most, and then install them and try it out and see if you can do what you need or not. It's not a difficult process but it is a process and there is no simple answer.

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    Old trying to act young πŸ˜‚

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    And fucking succeeding, pikaOS is gaming on unstable and that's a puma / milf / hot dad archetype type of dist for me at least, no shade on arch though I just prefer to not enable my obsession with tinkering and fixing stuff (that will happen too much anyway to an extreme degree)

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Shout out to the CachyOS crew. Their Discord is helpful. (Booooo, Discord, I know, I know.) They're friendly and helpful.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Can't agree more. I posted about some strange performance issues last summer and Peter talked with me about it privately for a few hours until it was resolved. Ended up needing some kernel patches for my setup that went on to help with the next release

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Debian for my workstation desktops, servers, etc, anything that's stable.

    Arch for playing around with new toys/features.

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  • WHY DOES NO ONE GET THAT IT DEPENDS?
    ... srsly tho, how do you want your distro to be?

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    Uwuntu is better than your OS.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Guys, what's the best Linux distro to install on my PC?

    Yes

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (14 children)

    Unless its like arch or gentoo does the distro matter that much? Like its mostly just the default settings which you can tweak. I feel like 90% of distrohopping is just wanting to try a new UI which can you just install yourself.

    The main difference is package management so rolling release vs LTS vs 6 month cycle.

    In practice we really need to stop using dynamic dependencies/package managers for most applications, for desktop usecase its just not a good pattern anymore, honestly I feel its like 99% of the reason the linux desktop never took off, app dev is just a pain. Thankfully stuff like flatpak and appimage exist now

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Comparing Arch and Gentoo is wild. Arch is so much more simple and well documented.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (5 children)

    Arch is harder so install to as a recommendation its harder than the others. Though I think the last time I installed it was years ago ik theirs like a graphical installer now??? How the mighty have fallen

    But yeah Gentoo is like in a league of its own

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    There's no graphical installer officially, no. There are many Arch derivatives with installers though, like CachyOS.

    Installing Arch is literally running like 10 commands, and it's all very well documented.

    1. Put your Archiso USB stick in and reboot
    2. Format your disks if needed, mkfs
    3. Mount root and boot partitions
    4. Run pacstrap to install base system
    5. Generate fstab
    6. In chroot, set time and locale(s), set password, install bootloader
    7. Choose/install a network manager, like systemd-networkd
    8. Reboot

    Now you're running Arch. Make a user and install a DE, optionally.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    It's even simpler now: Plug in stick, reboot

    Select the stick as the boot media

    "archinstall"

    Configure

    Done.

    I don't recommend it to first timers, because the install process does get you a good feel of what you'll be expected to know, but I've been running arch for years I'm not doing that manually anymore xD

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I can't express how much I disagree with you and further I can not fucking stand flatpacks and the like. Unless I'm running a server, I don't want that crap on my box at all.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Why would you want flatpak on a server, server feels like ideal for dynamic dependencies as you have some highly used, static build (Debian 13 or Ubuntu LTS) where problems can be easily tested and fixes distributed out. The dependencies don't change too much aswell as the usecase for the server stays static. Security features can then be patched in when needed. Desktop usecase all people want is an up to date latest app that works, security rarely matters, and the dependency graph is highly volatile as people constantly update and add new software

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    So keep the different server processes somewhat isolated without going full VM. If I was admining production boxes for a company, I'd go with VMs. I'm talking about home servers running a couple services, and about desktops at home. Being retired, I haven't had to really do real sysadmin work for years.

    I haven't had any issues, that I can think of at least, updating my desktop install which is going on about 10 years now. I've not been stuck in some type of dependency hell for even longer than that. To each their own, if they work for you, great. I can't stand the extra layer that flatpaks bring to me. Seems like back in the day they would have been really useful...but thinking about past hard drive space, processor speeds, and internet speeds, maybe not.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Distro can alter how it behaves on your hardware. I tried every Debian derivative out there on a 2010 laptop. They would fail install or fail boot due to some hardware error, but fedora or opensuse were fine, and weirdly nixos. All those acknowledged the error and worked around it.

    Also, not sure if other distros are this easy (because I didn't experiment) but opensuse let's you install as many DEs as you like with their pattern selections, and you can flipflop between them at the login screen.

    I thought that was a good tool for a beginner just wanting to try out each DE without reinstalling as you change your mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Pretty much all the distros I use if I install like kde or hyprland it appears as an option in the login screen. Its a little cluttered since you have overlapping gnome and kde apps but I feel like people distrohop alot when they could just install a new DE

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