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[–] 37 points 10 months ago

Dems continue moving to the right. And they wonder why repubs keep beating them

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago

    Fuck Gavin Newsom

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago

    Talk about not reading the fucking room.

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  • [+] 18 points 10 months ago* (5 children)
  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    This type of shit is why I really do not understand why people want Gavin Newsom as the next presidential candidate.

    It's just pragmatism. He's the type of non-MAGA candidate that the US could actually elect, should a fair election occur again .

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  • [+] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Well there was the time we double elected the known felon and convicted rapist...

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but unless you're expecting maga to turn blue or expecting the democrats to mass lobotomize, the left has better standards than the molester squad

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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    Corporate bootlicker scum.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    How surprising

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    [–] 58 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    A ONE-TIME tax is still too much for them! Incredible. Meanwhile there are people who expect to discharge 5% of their money on a one-time expense such as needing chemotherapy, or paying their phone bills. Market gains would likely recoup the entire 5% for the billionaires after about 12-18 months. But even this is just unacceptable for them.

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  • [–] 144 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    The most important thing to take out of this:

    He knows it's bad for his inevitable presidential run he's been focusing on, but he has to do what his wealthy donors want so they keep donating.

    If he manages a first term, he'll still do shit like this, because he needs his donors for term 2.

    We need a legit grass roots candidate, because when they keep their donors happy, that's doing what's good for average Americans.

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  • [–] 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    You've just described exactly why the Democratic party lost touch with normal people. They couldn't resist wealthy donors. Or so says Bernie Sanders all the goddammed time.

    Y'all. Stop fucking fooling yourselves. Don't let others strongman our county into the ground by convincing you to gobble down whatever rancid dick a political party throws at you.

    You want the Dems to win? People under 35 should primary every fucking member of Congress. Boomers did this to is, and they'll keep doing this to us. Fuck them.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Don’t let others strongman our county into the ground by convincing you to gobble down whatever rancid dick a political party throws at you.

    ...

    We vote in primaries to avoid that.

    I was trying to get people to vote in primaries, you are telling them to give up on the party and depressed primary turnout is how we get stuck with that shit in the general.

    Like, if your honest about what you want, you're literally working against it right now.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    We vote in primaries to avoid that.

    Prior to 2012, I also believed that. Please keep in mind that the Democratic abuse of Superdelegates in 2016 to screw Bernie was so egregious that they had to reform their system to curb their egos. Some. Now they only have a 15% party leadership stake. So sanguine. So benevolent.

    Many states also have closed primaries specifically to keep the party entrenched. Like where I vote, the GOP set it up generations ago, and guess which party has in recent years not lost sleep over it? Certainly not enough to bother changing it.

    Primaries are the same sham as local elections with no primary in heavily single-party constituencies. Which is that the entrenched party decides who can run under their brand sure to collect people who vote down the line, and for anyone else, even lifelong registered members of that party, to run as independents. Local elections matter. So do statewide seats. And both parties want nothing more than to be in power, not to represent you.

    Thinking that the other party will somehow fix what you don't like is how we have gotten here and been here since the 90s. Voting only to vote against someone else lets the slime disenfranchise you when you think it hasn't. Relying on a party to maybe, hopefully, let your vote go to who they decide, isn't democracy, and it doesn't defend or uphold democratic values. Otherwise maybe we would have something a bit more coherent than Schumer's strongly worded letters and Newsom being cautious as a lawyer "letting" one comms person tweet sass a few times for the media traction.

    Maybe I didn't make myself clear:

    Fuck both these parties and everyone involved. Unseat them all. Fuck both the parties, they ain't done shit but for themselves.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The treatment of Bernie in the 2016 primary also made me lose faith in our form of flawed Democracy. Living in a red state, primaries are my only chance to have any effect on the national Democratic Party and 2016 made it obvious they would accept no challenge to the status quo. Superdelegates are plainly undemocratic, but the post Citizens United world makes both parties absolutely beholden to the corporations.

    We literally can not have a candidate that is against business and therefore can not have a candidate that is against fascism.

    That said, I will probably continue to pull the lever on my purely symbolic, utterly pointless, placebo vote for the lesser of two evils because people don't understand that the only non-voters that matter are the ones in battleground states.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    We actually CAN have a candidate that's not in the pocket of big corporate interests. But that person needs to also not look at both parties and think "well, these are the only options." Ross Perot actually had a decent run in 1992, and he was fucking nuts. A solid governor that declares their own party corrupt and not a part of the future would be seen as a hero, and could build on a groundswell. Newsome just showed us all that he's not that hero.

    Both parties have committed sepuku over the last 12 months anyway. The bravery lies in being the person that has the guts to admit it.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    If we keep worrying about keeping political donors happy, we'll never reform anything; that's the exact opposite of what they want and will do everything to stop it.

    Once he gets in office it'll be, "we need something to campaign on next election" every time reform comes up. On his final term, he'll say, "if the party is going to earn votes for my successor, I need to play ball this term," then the cycle will repeat itself.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Campaign Finance Reform is the single issue from which ALL other issues flow. Manipulating campaign financing is what causes everything bad in government. All lobbying, all promises, are bought and paid for with "campaign donations." It is legal bribery, but bribery just the same.

    Presidential Campaigns should be Federally funded, limited to 90-120 days, and tightly regulated in terms of appearances and speech. This is an audition and an interview process for the president of the country, and the process should filter for the very best and most qualified candidates, not the most outrageous. If someone lies, over promises, abuses the other candidates or anyone else, etc. they can, and will, be disqualified from running. It's not a right to run, it's a privilege, and that privilege can be rescinded for bad behavior.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    You’re right, but we won’t ever get a grass roots candidate through the democrat gauntlet and few people will vote independent over party (despite the wildly misleading graphic showing an independent rise that has been floating around lately).

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    You're ignoring that we have a dnc chair with a decade long track record of fair primaries, and that the traditional neoliberal threat is cutting off funds to state parties, and were a year deep into the largest reinvestire of wealth to state parties from DNC.

    And what does "vote independent over party" have to do with anything when talking about how we finally have a non biased chair?

    Like, what are you even talking about?

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Billionaire math

    Average USA billionaire has about $7b in wealth. 

    2026 * 365 ‎ = 739,490

    $7,000,000,000 / 739,490‎ = $9,465.98

    You would need to make $9k per day, for 2026 years, to catch up to the average billionaire wealth right now. 

    It’s estimated in 2026 that it would cost $37b to end world hunger until 2030. 

    Also note that Musk, Bezos, and other extreme billionaires are up to 100x of the average here ($700b for Musk). Who is making $900k per day? 

    This is not natural, it’s not rational, and it’s completely bullshit. You can come up with whatever distraction you want (“wealth & income aren’t the same”), but we should be taxing every dollar above $1b at 99% or higher. 

    30 years * 365 day = 10,950

    $1,000,000,000 / 10,950 ‎ = $91,324.20

    I could easily live off of $91k per DAY for 30 YEARS. 

    If you put these numbers against a human time scale we can understand, I don’t see the argument for this level of wealth, especially not as people go hungry, without clothes or food, and children die.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Shit, $91k is more than double what I make ANNUALLY, and I'm not starving by any means. These hoarding pieces of shit need to go.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    For years, I’ve heard people say, “What? You want to outlaw wealth?”

    This level of wealth? Yes. Tax it at 99% above 1bn.

    You won the money game. Stop playing it. Help society.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    He also vetoed a bill that would have kept private equity out of primary care so keeping a primary care physician has been a nightmare in California ever since. He gave PG&E a pass for murdering over 800 people in paradise because they were neglecting maintenance for shareholder profits. PG&E hiked our rates 6 times this year with his cronies approval and they made record profits. He’s slimy and part of the problem. Don’t ever forget that these evil Nazi tech bros came out of California and were enabled by him in his political career every step of the way.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Don’t ever forget that these evil Nazi tech bros came out of California and were enabled by him in his political career every step of the way.

    And this here is key. Every one of those Silicon Valley "techbro" sleazy rapists are where they are today because of corporate USAmerica. Silicon Valley empowered Trump and pushed Vance to be their VP. Silicon Valley is fully to blame platforming Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I mean really, it was Biden and the Clinton's doing the 96 telecom act...

    They desperately needed something to point to that neoliberalism worked. Most people who supported neoliberalism did it because of:

    1. The dotcom boom helping the economy.

    2. The reduction in crime.

    1 would have happened no matter what, but neoliberals took credit and said the only reason it happened was not taxing the wealthy.

    2 also would have happened without their crime bill, the only effect was the same ever country saw a generation after banning leaded gas.

    Neoliberalism has never worked, and it will never work. They just take credit for anything good that happens.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    We must always vote for the progressives in local elections to prevent the Newsoms of the world from climbing the ladder

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    I am hoping we get good candidates to vote for over Newsom, both as governor and presidency. This man is corrupt, and bullies the poor.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago*

    In interviews this week, Newsom cited billionaires who are shifting away from the state – such as Page and Brin, with whom he has longstanding relationships

    Oh no not your personal connections! What ever will the career politician do when its his turn to rake in lobbyist money :( Please god dont let this man be the dem candidate in 28

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago

    finally an issue the centrists can muster the energy to fight about.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Oh, he's still not the preordained nominee yet? Still has to prove to the party who his owners are?

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    As is already well known for most, USA only has 2 right wing parties, Democrats that are "normal" right wing. and Republicans that are extreme right wing, and has gone more and more insane over the past few decades.

    There can be no doubt among normal reasonable people, that the wealth of the richest people in USA is insane now, and needs to be reigned in.

    Of course an annual federal tax to achieve this would be preferable, but since that obviously isn't happening anytime soon, it is up to the states. No one needs to have $1 billion, no one even needs a tenth of that.
    The rich are so sociopathic they believe they are entitled to this, and then they call people working 2 jobs entitled for wanting a living wage and healthcare!

    It's disgusting that this has become normalized, it is not normal! It is sociopathic, and only a sociopathic society would allow this, and at the same time have extreme poverty. This is not about making an efficient economy, it's 100% about the sick entitlement of the rich.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    i would say UNIPARTY, they are both right wing, and often collude with each other to prevent any actual candidate from other side from turning agains the status quo. its basically like putin"s "opposition party/ opponent whom he allows from time to time.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago*

    “My pain is constant and sharp, and I do not hope for a better world for anyone.”

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    We can not let Gruesome Newsom win the Democratic primary. Even if you don't think there are going to be the 2026 midterms/2028 election: Register as a Democrat (or check here to see how you need to be registered to participate in your state's primaries) and vote for a progressive in the 2028 Democrat primaries.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago*

    Gavin is such a god damn chode motherfucker. Democrats are limp-dicked bitches that keep voting to allow themselves to be constantly be cucked by these corporate-fascist democrats, or allow Republicans to continue to convince them banning guns and remaining unarmed while asking politely will convince conservatives to stop being Christian fascists.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    The controlled opposition party won't meaningfully reform the corporatism that got us in this mess? No fucking shit.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    If I get a chance I will vote for this tax.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    If it doesn't turn out that man was made in Madame Tussaud's famous workshop, I will eat my hat.

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  • Fuck you, Newsom. Eat shit. You’re not the caliber of politician we need or want, and you never were.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Good! The LAST Thing I wanted was for Homeless Mothers to have SOME Sort of Social Security Net! I think INSTEAD those Homeless Mothers should pay MORE in Tax so we can Afford even MORE Tax Dodging Billionaires in the State!

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)
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    All about the donors.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I bet this chud cries in the dark as he listens to old Kirk podcasts

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Slickity dickity wickity Snippety dippity whippity. I tell ya. I am so shocked by this.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    If/when Gavin Newsom is the candidate, I'll vote for someone else, or won't vote.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's how Trump got elected.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago*

    Therefore, the only option left is for the leftists to take over Democratic party like how the Tea Party and MAGA took over the Republican Party, because if the Democrats run another pro-capital neoliberal after this shitshow, then America is truely done for (assuming we still have a democracy).

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Under normal circumstances, sure. If it's Gavin vs. Trump then I assume you'll vote for Gavin. Step 1 is get rid of Trump, step 2 is find a candidate that's actually good. If we can do both simultaneously then that would be wonderful.

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  • With a corprocrat in charge, the republic will be pushed towards collapse and the same violent thugs working for ICE will be cracking skulls before long. They will doom America to fascism or civil war, and the only way you will ever get stability lasting more than a few years is by taking control from them.

    Trump will never leave office alive, so give up on an election against him. When there is a choice, you'll be voting for a JD Vance style Republican who is actually the puppet people seem to think Trump is, or you'll be voting for a Democrat. If that Democrat is a coastal elite who was only rejected by the fascists because Trump didn't like him, you've already lost. The Democrat will have a better chance in the general regardless, so it's primary or bust.

    Oh yeah, you also need progressives to dominate in 2022 and 2024 down ballot, while the rich only need a king loyal to their corruption.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    THIS MAN IS THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE DNC 2028 PRESIDENTIAL

    THIS MAN IS THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE DNC 2028 PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION

    AGAIN, THIS MAN IS THE FRONT-RUNNER FOR THE DNC 2028 PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION

    BOYCOTTING THE DNC DIDN'T MOVE THE PARTY LEFT IN 2016

    BOYCOTTING THE DNC DIDN'T MOVE THE PARTY LEFT IN 2020

    BOYCOTTING THE DNC DIDN'T MOVE THE PARTY LEFT IN 2024

    BOYCOTTING THE DNC IN THE GENERAL ELECTION HAS ONLY MOVED THR OVERTON WINDOW FURTHER RIGHT AND GIVEN POWER TO FASCISTS.

    IF YOU ASSHOLES SPENT HALF THE ENERGY BACKING PROGRESSIVES IN THE PRIMARIES THAT YOU DID BOYCOTTING THE DNC IN NOVEMBER, WE WOULDNT HAVE EVER BEEN IN THIS MESS.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I mean not sure who's talking about boycotting the DNC, I'm sure some idiots are going that route... but I do have to point out the obvious problem..

    as you are right it's about backing the progressive candidates. But the key point also is to realize how hopeless the DNC is...

    IE if they lose... they say they must have gone too progressive and shift further to the right.

    If they win... they say "whew... ok we did well, now we just need to shift further to the right to solidify everything". They will always shit on the left, always try and push further right.

    Now I can agree with you, backing progressives is the way to go... though I will point out, it's about knowing the DNC is going to do whatever it can to oppose progressives getting into the democratic party.

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Why would a single resident billionaire continue to remain a resident if this passes? It's not like they can't come here and spend time here while being a resident of another state. Hard to see how this would make a meaningful bump to state revenue.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    A state could still claim you as a resident if you meet certain criteria. You don't get to unilaterally decide if you are a resident or not.

    Plus, what's the point of wanting billionaires to stay in your state if they aren't being taxed?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I'm well aware. California loves to tax people as residents and not give them the benefits of residency. I've lived here my whole life. It's mostly the plebs they get with that, like you don't get in state tuition, but you get to pay state income tax. But if I were a billionaire, the 50 million I'm not paying the state could fund a lot of careful legal and tax planning.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Because it's a one-time tax that applies retroactively.

    If you move, you'd still owe it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Ah, I didn't initially catch that it applies to tax year 2026.

    I did a little reading this morning on case law of retroactive taxes, and while I'm certain this would be litigated, not really sure where it would land. It might depend on the jurisdictions that hear the case. I'm not at all optimistic that they'll collect what they think they will, but they have sure attempted to craft it to tax people before they can exit.

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    [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I think this needs to be done nationwide so they can’t just move stuff and not get taxed. We are seeing money shifts and billionaires moving so that could possibly hurt in the long run? Also it could be good to get influence out of state.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    We must always vote for the progressives in local elections to prevent the Newsom’s of the world from climbing the ladder

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