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[–] 95 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Call me optimistic, but I truly believe there's going to be such a tech boom once the market outside the US is insightful enough to look backwards and point their finger at the things that worked well and that people actually wanted and iterate off that instead of this failed path, dead end.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago

    You don’t think the billionaires will just do the same thing with the non US technology? Unfortunately it’s up to regulators to decide much of this issue, and when they’re in the pocket of the billionaires it’s not good.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Whilst I have no evidence for it (it's not like we have an alternate timeline to compare to), I believe that the changes to Intellectual Property legislation in the last couple of decades have actually slowed down innovation, probably severely so.

    Certainly in Tech it feels like there's less of a culture of tinkering and hacking (in the original sense of the word) nowadays than back in the 80s and 90s, even though with the Internet and the easy access to information on it one would expect the very opposite.

    Instead of countless crazy ideas like in the age of the generalisation of computing, open source and the birth of the Internet, we instead have closed environments gatekept by large companies for the purposed of extracting rents from everybody, all of which made possible by bought for legislation to stop users from breaking out and competitors from breaking in.

    I mean, outside the natural process of moving everything done before from analog to digital-online (i.e. a natural over time migration to the new environments made available by the inventions of computing and the global open network from the late part of the XX Century) the greatest "innovations" in Tech of the last 30 years were making computers small enough to fit in your pocket (i.e. smartphones) - a natural consequence of the Moore Law - and a digital parrot/mediocre content generator.

    Now wonder that China, with their "we don't give a shit about IP" posture has powered through from Tech backwater to taking the lead from the West on various technologies (first solar, now EVs) even though (from what I've heard) their educational systems doesn't reward innovative thinking.

    So in my view only if Europe ditches the IP legislation pushed by the US in Trade Treaties does it have a chance to be part of any upcoming Tech revolutions rather than stagnating right alongside in the US whilst trying to extract ever diminishing rents from the tail ends of the adoption phases of last century's technologies.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    I agree. The problem is complex and layered, I don't claim to fully understand it myself, but the problem is that innovation came to mean "innovation on creating capital" and not "innovation on serving the customer". If you haven't read Age of Surveillance Capitalism by Shosana Zuboff, I highly recommend it. It lays a lot of the groundwork for what Cory Doctorow would go on to call enshittification.

    On top of that, or maybe underneath it, is the idea of disruption. It has long been joked as "ignoring regulations" which has very much become true. When you can't exploit the current systems you create parallel systems where you are in control of the playing field. Disruption to innovation, innovation to disruption. To the consumer it's just disruption.

    What we've ended up with as a result over the past decade and a half or so is a market that is not beholden to the consumer at all. We've long known that boycotts are fairly ineffective aside from some occasional groundswell on "culture war" issues, but it doesn't feel like we're the market anymore. Look at Nvidia's recent presentation at the CES which wasn't even about consumers at all, it was about AI and datacenters mostly. They fully dictate the market at us now and we're just along for the ride.

    BUT to my hopefulness above, there are still a few ways to break free of this, I don't believe things are so bad as that yet. There does seem to be a real choking point for the consumer, Microsoft is another good example. They continue to leverage their market position but people are rapidly exploring options away from them wherever possible. I don't think we'll ever truly see a "year of the Linux desktop" the way some people expect, but the slow erosion is real. Another article I think about a lot is the breaching the trust thermocline which theorizes that customer trust is not a linear system. Executives like to believe that once things begin to sour they can simply make a change to correct course when the course was already lost some time ago.

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    The European Commission claims to promote open source and freedom from foreign tech abuses, etc. It now seeks feedbacks from communities: "Towards European open digital ecosystems".

    It seems to be perfect timing for getting rid of that article 6 which turns

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If you didn't already hear it, Cory Doctorow recently gave a talk about this at 39C3, the Chaos Computer Club conference. Search "A post-American, enshittification-resistant internet" in your frontend of choice

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  • [–] 51 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    If we can convince the ignorant masses to stop buying based on consumerism and purchase based on well informed decisions instead then we would see a shift in enshittification or at least have alternatives. But that's very unlikely since it's easier to conform and fall in line and accept your fate.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It also expects that people are content to actually fix things, or sew tears in clothing, or whatever, and that often requires a little research and initiative in a world where it's been made abundantly cheap and convenient to just replace almost everything.

    I don't think it's necessarily ignorance so much as a combination of laziness and incredible convenience.

    A few years ago I taught myself to fix my laptop screen via Youtube and saved myself a $400 repair, but most people would just chuck it and buy a new one.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The issue is not whether people are willing to do it, but whether they should be allowed to.

    I can't think of any situation where disallowing people from repairing their own property makes any sense. The only ones it makes sense to are the ones who profit from it.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I can't think of any situation where disallowing people from repairing their own property makes any sense.

    I can think of one, but the issue is largely a thing of the past: old CRT TV's or monitors. If you attempt to repair one without knowing what you're doing, you literally could get yourself killed.

    That said, I still agree with you wholeheartedly. I'd much rather mandate dangerous to repair products be labeled as such, but the design and construction of consumer products should never prohibit the end user from being able to repair their own property.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It's also super easy to die when your car falls off a jack and you're working underneath, but we don't forbid homemade oil changes nonetheless.

    And the when we had CRTs maintenance was actually encouraged, one of the oldest TVs I remember using had circuit schematics in the manuals.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Think of how much people whine about printer ink without A) looking for alternatives and B) questioning why their printer was fucking free (with rebate).

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I got off the inkjet bandwagon almost 30 years ago now. All it takes is doing the math; most print jobs can be done on a compact laser printer, and the ones that can’t can be sent to a print shop for same-day printing, and I still come out ahead, even with binding included.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I thought this for a long time. However currently I am no longer convinced. The production is so far decoupled from the consumer and often investor (or otherwise) dependant. So the consumer doesn't really necessarily have the chance to support a good company nor do good things need to be offered.

    I short: eat the rich and reform the stock market.

    It's long time propaganda pushing the fault to the consumer (e. G. Footprint invented. By oil companies)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    Yes, yes, yes.

    And drastically reform or reimagine all the IP laws.

    Copyright: 5 years, one optional 5 year extension.

    Patents: 5 years, no extensions. No business methods, no algorithms, no gene expressions.

    Owned only by the individual humans and groups of humans. Cannot be owned by trusts, funds, corporations, estates. Cannot outlive the last human owner in a group.

    All licensing is non-exclusive only! All licensing is irreversible (once you license out the patent non-exclusively, no way to halt midway through the licensing term).

    That way pattents cannot be hoarded by the patent troll entities. Since all exclusive agreements are forbidden, no way to corner the market! Inventors are free to license their inventions all over and cannot be strong armed into an exclusive deal.

    In other words, ownerships, paywalls, and corporate control must be severely curtailed.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Anti circumventing pushed by an article that doesn't let me circumvent the cookie consent is really next level.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    At first I thought the title said, "Let's end Anti-Circumcision". I was like, "why?".

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Ironically I've just uninstalled the guardian app because it wouldn't let me circumvent the number of articles I could read per month.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I read that as

    Let's end anti circumsicion!

    And got confused fast

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago*

    Bosch is coming out with modular devices that are DMCA locked. I think a a coffee machine from the recent ces

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Government officials are really scared of changing the status quo. They're really afraid that if they get rid of anti-circumvention laws, that they'll become a pariah state. In the past that probably would have been true. The US would have thrown its weight around, and Europe would have fallen in line and boycotted whoever it was. Many countries also have a lot of Hollywood productions made there. The major Hollywood studios care about anti-circumvention because they think it guarantees their profits. So, if these countries scaled back anti-circumvention, Hollywood would probably throw a fit and cut them off too. Even if the economic impact of getting rid of anti-circumvention were a huge positive, Hollywood has a big cultural impact worldwide.

    I'd like to see it happen, but I think the most likely scenario is that a country that already doesn't fully respect US copyright laws, like Switzerland or Singapore, might take an additional step and stop respecting anti-circumvention.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Nono, you're thinking of circumcision. This is about a big meeting where furries celebrate their favorite animes or something

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    Nono, you’re thinking of a convention. This is about a psychological treatment that makes gay men like women.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago* (8 children)

    No no, that's conversion therapy. This is about the use of an unnecessarily large number of words to express an idea.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Nono, you’re thinking of circumlocution. This is about building a wall around a besieged city.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    No no, you're thinking of circumvallation. This is about sailing a ship all around the Earth.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    No no, that's circumnavigation. This is about the length of the perimeter around a circle

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Nono, you’re thinking of circumference. This is about a semi-precious gemstone in the shape of a small, domesticated mustelid.

    ETA: Maybe it's too hard. I am thinking of a ...

    spoilerzircon ferret

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    The other user's was better, so I'm hiding this one

    spoiler
    Nono, you're thinking of conversion therapy. This is about going to a priest to tell them about your sins

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Ah yes, I think we all remember the moment back in 2016 when Apple famously announced the removal of the foreskin from the iPhone 7.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    to be fair, wireless headphones are handy. the wire itself is an annoyance. i'm glad its gone, for the most part. But physical media being gone and evertything being replaced with someones computer in the cloud... its stupid. and more expensive. i don't like it.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    The total abolition of capitalism is the only thing that will end enshittification and fascism. Everything else is just cope and/or baby steps.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Declaring 'This thing is the only thing that can work, what you are suggesting is stupid/won't work/pointless'

    This message is just: "Give up, Give up, Give up" with more grammatical complexity.

    Do you want to be one step closer to fascism or one step further away? Actively attempting to discourage people makes me think it is the former.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

    I am a leftist and I am advocating, as always, for solidarity across the working class, unionizing, getting organized, and participating in direct action. I encourage collective acts of sabotage and resistance against the authoritarian regime.

    You can believe in false hope, or accept the reality of your situation and work towards goals which actually have a chance of succeeding, it's up to you.

    Edit: To get involved in a real action that might actually improve our situation, join the IWW.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    I'm a psychic reindeer in Santa's sleigh team and I always tell the truth or my nose grows 6 inches so you know that I'm not lying. We can be anything that we want to be on the Internet, it only takes a few twitches of the finger (or output vector, in most cases).

    There's been a lot of 'Fellow Leftists' showing up on Lemmy recently and they all of the newcomers seem to be attempting to foment political violence and discourage real people from any other plans that they may be forming.

    The topic of the post is about some concrete action that is being suggested to improve the situation and your comment is 'Nah fellow leftists, lets go do some sabotage and resistance instead'. No details or the suggestion of an actual proposed series of steps to be taken, just a general push in the direction of political violence with smidgeon of 'Your idea is dumb'.

    Now, to me, I think that we don't need that kind of person/bot in this community. If you want to be a person of action, then live up to your dreams in your own life.

    You're in a social media space that we know is being monitored in an attempt to locate dissenters so that the administration can slap the 'terrorist' label on them. This is something anybody who is even remotely active in this space will understand.

    So, it immediately stands out as fake when someone claims to be and old veteran leftist (look at the account age and comments, no way to fake that guys!) and also thinks that spreading violent rhetoric on public social media is the move. The only people talking about violence on social media are soon to be imprisoned naive idiots and the bots/agents that influence them.

    Nobody take this bait.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, you got me, clearly the only way that someone could disagree with you, is because they're a fake bot shill with a fake account history because that's the only plausible reality in which you could be wrong about something.

    There's definitely no way that I spent hours last week arguing against violence in a leftist memes community, because I am clearly a bot.

    Give me a break.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, and I spent the last week ice skating on Europa and coaching the Bears to victory.

    You can't appeal to your own authority on the Internet, we're all anonymous strangers who may as well have just popped into existence 15 seconds ago (in some cases, very literally).

    Don't push ideas that look like they're suggesting violence, if you're on my side on that idea then you'll have no trouble with my position of 'violence bad' even if it hurt your feelings a little bit.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I'm not appealing to authority at all, I was just explaining that I was a leftist because your comment seemed to suggest I was encouraging people to "give up", which is the exact opposite of what I want. I want people to get involved in direct action, civil resistance, and yes, acts of sabotage against the regime.

    I am firmly of the opinion that violence never makes anything better, but I completely understand why people, even leftists, advocate for violence. I don't think they're fake, or bots, I just think they are leftists who have been socialised in our mainstream media environment which teaches us that violence is a solution to our problems.

    I think your response was a bit silly, and jumped to a lot of conclusions, but it didn't hurt my feelings. I want to continue to reiterate that reforms to capitalism merely prolong it, and misuses the energy of activists which could be far better spent on actually unionizing, organizing, building solidarity, and direct action.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I don't know, it sounds like a pretty convincing argument to me.

    It's a strange take to say "you're wasting your time trying to get legislation passed" I mean, that's one of the primary ways you change anything in a country...

    And it's plain stupid to say the only solution to a problem is the "complete abolition of capitalism" and then the next moment, suggest someone else is asking the impossible by trying to get some minor policy changed... That's just bonkers. I mean, that simply destroys your credibility for the rest of the conversation, it's gone.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    How you going to make the argument that maintaining capitalism takes you further away from fascism? Capitalism is fascism. They're intrinsically linked. The latter is the end result of the former.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yes capitalism's end state is a monopoly on power, aka a fascist dictatorship. I never made an argument stating otherwise.

    Ending Anti-Circumvention is taking power away from capitalists. They can no longer send the law to lock you in jail because you edited the firmware of a device that you own. That's a move in the opposite direction of capitalism.

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    [–] 65 points 9 months ago

    Interesting perspective.

    It's a great point that if you're getting threatened anyway might as well go in for a pound instead of a penny.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    HAHAH you mean the same investors who decided to ruin the internet for shareholder value? Yea let me just place the same source of evil and maybe this time it'll work

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Right‽ this has 'maybe the genie won't screw me over with my third wish if I just ask it right' energy.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    The same investors that brought

    • Unskippable ads to every platform including your refrigerator
    • Removing previously free or basic features just to put them behind a paywall
    • Fucking AI this AI that and subsequently making everything more expensive
    • Subscription based models on software and the stupid you own nothing idea
    • The prevalence of data collection everywhere

    The list can go on and on

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    One of the shittiest humans on the planet is in charge and fucking things up, here’s a completely unlikely event that would fix nothing that could happen.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    There is only one reason the world isn’t bursting with wildly profitable products and projects that disenshittify the US’s defective products: its (former) trading partners were bullied into passing an “anti-circumvention” law that bans the kind of reverse-engineering that is the necessary prelude to modifying an existing product

    There are many reasons, but I disagree on this one. Most of the existing tech in cloud infrastructure, protocols, social media apps etc. is built on the shoulders of open source software components and operating systems along with interfaces and APIs the US conglomerates themselves have opened to speed up adoption. This of course does not include the surveillance and ad network components, but we don't want those anyway.

    Some more valid reasons in my opinion:

    1. Lock-In effect in general: If your friends, neighbors, even governments all use product x (i.e. Whatsapp) and expect you to use those too in order to communicate with them It is very difficult to switch to something else because the people you want to talk to have to be convinced one by one to give it a try. (it's possible, just very hard to do)

    2. Lock-in effect in business: High costs of switching to other products, sunk cost fallacy etc.

    3. US Tech for decades gave away their products "for free" misleading customers into thinking that this should be the norm. People understand when something doesn't cost money but they still don't understand that they are paying with their data and ultimately with their freedom and well-being. Alternative products and infrastructures cost money. People need to eat. If you don't take the dirty road of advertising and selling surveillance data there is no way around that fact. At least when we're talking about products at scale.

    On the plus side of this: there is nothing that stops enthusiasts like us from setting up self-hosted projects and providing services to a community. And just like the home computing enthusiasts in the 1980s paved the way for tech we use today, every new movement starts small with a bunch of nerds, aka "early adopters".

    There are plenty more reasons why this is hard and plenty more reasons why we should do it anyway. But I'm on my first coffee so I'll stop here.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Lock-In effect in general: If your friends, neighbors, even governments all use product x (i.e. Whatsapp) and expect you to use those too in order to communicate with them It is very difficult to switch to something else because the people you want to talk to have to be convinced one by one to give it a try. (it’s possible, just very hard to do)

    One way to combat this is with bridging / interoperability that allow for partial transitioning. This obviously isn't applicable to many, many things. But a chat program (e.g. Whatsapp) is actually an example where it is applicable.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Good point... I found that apart from technical interoperability it often works pretty well if you explain to your friends that your alternative (signal,Matrix, whatever...) is just that. An alternative which is always good to have just in case. Don't try to force them to uninstall WhatsApp, even if this would obviously be the best choice. Instead encourage them to try the alternative and keep WhatsApp in case they don't like it. Test it with them. In practice this often means they find out that it works just as well and does not hurt to have on the device. Even if they don't use it actively yet, the next time someone asks them if they have Signal (or whatever) they will be happy to say that they already have it. Patience is key.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    You raise some very interesting points. Not trying to argue, but I’d like to share some thoughts I had in response.

    The surveillance and ad networks are products of the same ecosystem as any other digital technology. Short of regulating them out of existence, I don’t know how you can’t distinguish between the two with a disposition like ”we want one but not the other.” Telemetry is core to iterative development, and it only becomes “surveillance” when you use it a certain kind of way. Content delivery is no different in how a specialized use case, barely a specialized implementation, can produce an “advertising network.”

    Lock-in at platform, ecosystem, and hardware levels is also the easiest path forward many times, from a development perspective. Short of having a bolstering engineer culture that spends time prioritizing quality over capital, how do you incentivize companies to wait for standards to be developed and adopted before they engineer their products? How do incentive them to redesign legacy code such that it uses open standards? How do you tell the difference between priority disparity and intentional ecosystem management for the purpose of lock-in?

    “You are the product” is right on the money, and it’s astounding that culturally we know, but most of us don’t seem to care enough. To change that, I think people need to start making better arguments for why “being the product” is bad. Arguments that the average person can relate to. It might help if people understood that a platform that didn’t crowdsource engagement probably wouldn’t have a fraction of the success as the tech giants we see today. This is reminiscent of the feudalist era — they own the land where market + public discourse occurs; they draw influence and power from that relationship.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Well, I live in the EU and I still have hope that there will be sufficient regulation to prevent the worst when it comes to privacy issues. There already is a lot of protection in place compared to the US (I know, recent developments point in the opposite direction, but the EU at least has some vocal privacy advocates which do their job well) Also I think there are not so subtle differences between recording telemetry (e.g. with anonymized user stats) and spying on users and selling all the data to the highest bidder.

    But you are absolutely right that a working business model that is fair to the user, affordable and open still needs to be found. What we can see is that the US model is not sustainable. My prediction is that the tech conglomerates will enshittify themselves out of business in the long run. Because the competition does not need to improve much when the big player's products get significantly worse over time. The competition can just sit there and wait until those big tech products become so unattractive to users that there is a real incentive to switch to an alternative. This effect can be observed when looking at Windows vs. Linux for example. While Linux has been pretty stable and easy to use for years now, Microsoft makes the Windows experience worse on an almost weekly basis, and now you need to use command line scripting to fix the worst things. Which is ironic, because it used to be exactly the opposite, Linux was the OS where you had to tinker on the command line to make it work. But these days are long gone. And as Microsoft doubles down in shitting on their customers with restrictions, ads and forced AI everywhere, millions of people feel compelled to stay on Windows 10 and wait how the situation develops or try something else. Windows was always disliked or seen as a necessary evil, but this time they might have gone too far.

    Oh and about your last paragraph... people in the US are now beginning to learn the hard way why being the product is bad. When big tech is in bed with a fascist government and provides all the surveillance data which is suddenly being used against "ordinary people who have nothing to hide" it becomes pretty clear why being the product is a very very bad idea. Just takes a while to make the connection I suppose.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    One can only hope!

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    As much as I love Cory Doctorow's work, this is a stretch. The crack in the door only comes once everything supporting the consolidation and oligarchy of the tech industry comes crashing down. The broligarchs have their contingency planning in place already, so a crack in the door might exist one day, but it's going to take a lot more than EFF and a few niche rights groups to make any change there. The tech money is digging in, and doing so in ways that are edge cases for even digital rights groups.

    The post-WWII order is gone, the post-Cold War model of economics is over, and the post-9/11 surveillance state is now wearing a mask with hoses that feed it super-strength drugs. It's that the costs of the old bargain are double for everyone that isn't a FANG, and now gone for them. Just like the Western economy, it's bifurcating towards different planes of existence that know of each other but barely interact IRL. Which is not sustainable, but for how long we'll wobble, it's hard to say.

    Digital rights and privacy groups need to be proactive and demonstrate uses cases for both, and make use of them while expecting the non-sustainability of the current system to one day give way to something new.

    So step 1 is, for now, strap the fuck in and get your house in order. Build skills, teach others. Step 2 one day is going to be on the heels of massive cultural and political change.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Getting pretty tired of the Guardian's copium tbh.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is written by Cory Doctorow -- formerly of the EFF and coiner of the word "enshittification". You can disagree with him, but this is the same kind of advocacy he has written for decades.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Ok, I disagree with Cory Doctorow due to the modus operandi of any tech organisation trying to turn a profit in a late stage capitalistic society along with the more detailed reasons others have provided in this post.

    And I'm tired of the Guardian publishing hopium articles.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Make [noun] [adjective] Again is a tainted phrase for all time at this point. It's etched in innocent blood.

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    [–] 31 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    You could just add a period after "end" and stop the headline there.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I guess Cory didn't see the CES shit show this year.

    AI fridges with voice command door opening that couldn't work unless there was total silence, then it plays you ads.

    A fridge is, and should remain, a box that stays cold.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Everyone thinks they can leverage trump for their own agenda because he's a wildcard. But unless you're directly putting money toward his whatever you're very unlikely to get the result you want. And even if you do send money his way, there's a pretty good chance he'll turn on your at some point.

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  • [–] 28 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    That isn't what the article is proposing. The premise is that Trump's tariffs and policies have functionally brought into reality the only action that previously acted as threats to keep other countries from reverse engineering American tech and creating solutions to de-shittify products and services. If the threats are no longer valid, there's nothing stopping them from doing so, and providing better versions of existing products, or products that remove the enshittification from the existing options.

    In short, they aren't calling on Trump to take action, they're calling on others to leverage the actions Trump has already taken.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Ah, you mean like how some countries that were previously COMPLETELY under the thumb of the US and seemingly happy about it are finally starting to disentangle themselves a tiny bit because the fascist kakistocracy makes even the appearance of cooperation unfeasible?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That too but the article is more focused on how before the US would threaten countries with unreasonable tariffs if they didn't comply and let US tech giants rule. Well...Trump already levied unreasonable tariffs, so if they are already hit with tarrifs, why not just created their.own versions of the solutions? Why not ban X and Grok?

    Obviously Cory takes an optimistic view of what could be done. The way I look at it is that more and more countries will take a Chinese approach to tech and go for a total control over what we can do online and visibility (no privacy) into everything.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    some other actor outside US wouldn’t do exactly the same with data as US companies

    Would if they could, but ….. the key is going from a dominant corporatocracy to more diffuse centers of technology.

    Think of the common charger regulations. We here in the US would still be tied to proprietary chargers at excessive prices, but we have USB-C because EU is big enough

    Or think of something as basic as encryption. Not too many years ago, US dominated encryption technology and only the simplest was allowed worldwide. That basically created encryption technology centers in Israel and Ireland, and now we all benefit

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    But is it really Trump's fault specifically or all the tech oligarchs that are inmune to regulation because Americans can't regulate shit? I mean Obama helped create Elon Musk. Elon Musk , didn't "turn bad" he was always shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    This enshittification reminds me of how the dot-com bubble burst forced companies like google to get profitable quickly to stay afloat, most crashed...are we undergoing a slow-motion crash, like then, but the AI hype is holding the crunch back a little while more?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    He is way overestimating govs ambition to change. European gov websites are littered with facebook, twitter, linked in, etc, and their email uses MS. None of that will change. Not because of tariffs but because most consumers are zombie pushovers not keen to change their habits.

    Worth noting that under Obama, ISPs needed consent to sell customer data. Trump reverse that. Biden did not reverse it back. So ISPs will continue exploiting whatever data they can harvest from their own customers.

    It’s been 25 years since I started working for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an American nonprofit dedicated to preserving and promoting human rights on the internet.

    I must say I just lost some respect for Doctorow. The EFF has turned a blind eye to the most insideous offender of our digital sovereignty since Cloudlfare began its oppressive existence over 10 years ago.

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