[–] [S] 1 point 2 hours ago

For that I've got a personal example. I have a professional project made in laravel a PHP framework. I made the choice to use it before the AI craze, I am maintaining the project but I didn't choose for the tech stack to embrace AI like it did.

The fact that these projects take long to make does bind you to the choices of someone else makes that you can't control.

But you did nail it in the head, it's the focus on personal choice that I'm aiming at.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 hours ago (2 children)

    The second side of the comment about using libraries that coopt AI code. I think LLM use falls into a personal category. You can't control that someone down your tech stack used it but you can certainly not use LLMs.

    If you find out that your tech stack is tainted but your workflow is human asking for a rewrite is unfeasible. I'd argue that the next project should use human-centric tools but that is something for later down the stack.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Second ps.: There might be a method of redemption for a project to move from tainted to handcrafted but it'd be easily verified. For example, Dave the diver has an LLM usage notice where they did the translations with AI. Should they re-do the translation work with actual translators (or let the community translate the work themselves) there might be a case towards bumping from tainted to hand-crafted.

    I'll be honest, I feel fine tainted being the "standard" and handcrafted being a the selective seal of approval. I'll think things over. The chance for redemption creates subjective cases that give the people to say "why them but not me".

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 hours ago (2 children)

    It's a conscious choice. I want to design the index to encourage people working towards the handcrafted stage. Any kind of AI usage immediately putting you on either slop or tainted drives the point home.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    Thanks for the questions!

    • The first question is the one that has the most nuance. I believe originally it'd simply be considered handcrafted but the introduction of a vibe coded emulator WOULD move it from handcrafted to tainted. I'm working on sufficient labels to be able to work out these nuances out.
    • I said yes, skipping
    • You still made the choice to use genAI, placeholder assets were a thing before and they still can be in the future. Errors happen with placeholder assets, specially those made to pass as real assets. Here we have precedent, Alters developers used GenAI and mistakenly (or not, we can't verify) left some AI assets in the release version. What tainted remarks is the usage of LLMs at all, doesn't matter the circunstance.
    • LLM usage, tainted.

    Ps.: I've added an extra phrase to the tainted description.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago* (1 child)

    It is fair to judge a technology by the totality of outcomes it produces. You might find a subset of the technology that may be positive but you can't use a part of it to justify the whole.

    It really reminded me of this image.

    A partial perception of a technology might blind us to the overall net benefit.

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    Hi! I am working on a website akin to steamdb but for categorizing games on their AI use in the following

    Categories:

    • Handcrafted: The game has been confirmed untouched by GenAI
    • Tainted: Gen AI has been used in any aspect of this game's creation. Any usage of the technology puts you in this category.
    • Slop: Use of Gen AI is outwardly visible by players
    • Fraud: Developer lied about AI involvement in their products.

    How the system would work:

    It'd be a comunity driven, honor based effort. Users would summit reports and a group of trusted moderators would validate them.

    Why I'm making this post:

    I am looking for possible questions, problems, challenges and ideas you guys might come up with. I have a "Questions and answers" section down bellow with what I'd cover up myself.

    Questions and answers

    What counts as GenAI?

    Large Language Models (LLMs) such as ChatGPT, Claude, Deepseek, etc. Image generation models line Nano Banana, Stable diffusion, etc.

    Why take such a harsh stance on GenAI?

    AI use has been irrevocably tied to the problems it creates. It's being used as a tool to centralize power away from artists and creators towards a select few people with too much money on their hands.

    Using AI is analogous to accepting all of the valid concerns against it and endorsing the problems it's wedged themselves in.

    What counts as AI usage?

    Any personal use by you or anyone you are in charge of on the project. It's the duty of the person in charge to ensure that your work stays human.

    "I use local models I'd be allowed in handcrafted"

    You're still furthering the use of a technology designed to steal and plagiarize. While local models address some of the enviromental problems of GenAI it's still an active endorsement of the theft done to train such models.

    "I barely used GenAI for my game"

    You made the choice to use GenAI on your game. You might have not been aware of the consequences of such choice but it's still a choice you made.

    "My game has been tagged tainted even though I made it all"

    This is a community effort, I'm sorry if you've been falsely targeted/tagged. There's always going to be bad actors. Contact the website at support@website.com and we'll do our best to rectify the error.

    "Why shouldn't I just not disclose that I used GenAI"

    No one's forcing you to disclose the use of such technology but it's something customers care about letting your customers make informed choices is how you build a reputation of quality and honesty.

    "Why shouldn't I just lie about my GenAI use?"

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/fraud

    Appart from that we have a special category reserved for this fraud. This is a website built around an honor system of reputation, do not tarnish it with abuse.

    nerdspeakAnd with that the mess of ideas and html I've been messing with is out. My progress is slow but I'm making steps. The tech stack is based on the human-centric language zig, using a jsx-like framework named ziex, which I've been thoroughly enjoying. I plan on making the website fully open source but there's very little to showcase just yet. I'm just here to bounce ideas with the open web.

    [–] 2 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

    And the existence of alternative uses doesn't take away the pain of someone who needs to sit on a bench and can't. The ringing noise that only teenagers hear on public parks because the council doesn't want them there. Alternative uses of a bad technology do not redeem a technology.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago (5 children)

    I'm not saying there aren't uses for it but it's basically a "I don't want to see poor people around" technology made manifest. Also, aren't there better versions? I remember that metros can have doorways that impede going onto the tracks without the need of spikes.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

    I personally beg to differ. You can think of things like hostile architecture, automated killing tools, etc.

    The way we design tools is inherently biased. You wouldn't use a gun for cooking, you use it for it's intended purpose of possibly harming other beings.

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