I feel like that's probably the one thing a vehicle marketed as bullet-proof needs to be... like, actually bullet-proof.

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[–] 111 points 10 months ago (4 children)

These things look even dumber as cop cars.

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  • [–] 42 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    robocop was supposed to be absurd and cautionary :(

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  • [–] 78 points 10 months ago* (23 children)

    Imagine being a billionaire in the mood to be generous and making a large donation... and that's the best you can come up with. Giving 10 cars to the police. WTF.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    The police were probably about to open an investigation into said billionaire for child sex trafficking. Sadly, all of the evidence just suddenly went missing.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    It wasn't musk that donated them. It's the owner of the business that "upfit" them, and for the record, they're contracted to ONLY "up fit" Tesla's.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    So? Why are you telling me? I didn't say it was muskrat. Nobody mentioned him in this thread until after I posted.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Cause I'm saying it's simpler than that. It's just advertising for the business to his clientele. That clientele would include right wing "back the blue" types that would love to own a truck that some unspecified swat type team trusts. But if they ever actually use these vehicles for that purpose, it'll backfire.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    No, you were telling me, a person that didn't imply that it was muskrat, that it wasn't muskrat. Then you make an unsubstantiated claim of who it was. The linked article doesn't say he donated them. You didn't provide any evidence for your claim beyond an implied, "Trust me bro." So my perfectly reasonable conclusion is that you misread the article in the same way you misread my original comment.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Read the article again. It says they were donated by UP.FIT.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Where? All I see is,

    The founder of UP FIT, the company that modified the Las Vegas police Cybertrucks, posted a hype video on Twitter showing off the work

    That doesn't mean that they're the source of the money that paid for the trucks.

    And you still have not addressed the fact that 👏I 👏did 👏not 👏say 👏it 👏was 👏muskrat.

    ETA: The company is only mentioned three times in the article. The quote above, plus

    According to the UP FIT Founder, the Las Vegas PD Cybertruck Doors Are Factory Stock

    and

    If the Las Vegas Sheriff and even the UP FIT founder thinks that Cybertrucks can stop bullets by default, there’s a reason for that.

    So, no, it absolutely does NOT say

    they were donated by UP.FIT.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    You need to calm down. At no time did I attack you or anything, but clearly you're really worked up about it. It's really not worth arguing with someone so emotional. I hope tomorrow is a better day for you.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    I'm perfectly calm. I'm not the one caught spreading misinformation.

    You however seem to have serious reading comprehension skills and an inability to admit when you're wrong. I've given you multiple opportunities to simply say something like,

    Whoops. I thought I was replying to a different comment. My bad.

    with regard to you bringing muskrat into the conversation. You took none of them, presumably because admitting you made a mistake is outside your skill set.

    Then I gave you the opportunity to show me exactly where in the article it backs up your claim of who the source of the donation was. I was, and still am, perfectly willing to accept that I overlooked that part. You can still point it out and I'll happily accept it.

    But instead of simply copyingdand pasting the sentence from the article that backs up your claim, and being done with it, or simply acting like an adult and admitting you misunderstood the article, and being done with it, you sidestep the whole thing and childishly tell me to calm down.

    I don't care who donated the money. That was never my point.

    What I do care about is people spreading misinformation, and right now, that's you.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    Still calm and unemotional here. How about you? Are you in a place now where you can admit you were wrong?

    See, here's the thing. It's not just me that noticed. You repeatedly deflected and pivoted so naturally in this conversation, that I'm not even sure you realize you're doing it until someone calls it out.

    That tells me you do this on a regular basis, even with people close to you IRL. They notice. They don't call you out to keep the peace, because they know how you'll react. But they notice, and that means they don't trust you.

    Seeing someone pivot, deflect and double down when faced with evidence of being wrong only lowers their credibility in the eyes of others. It means they don't follow the evidence and change their mind when appropriate. It means that they stubbornly cling to falsehoods in the face of evidence to the contrary. So, they're probably frequently wrong about stuff and shouldn't be trusted.

    On the other hand, seeing them say,

    Crap, you're right! I totally thought it was X, but it's really Z. Thank you! I learned something new today!

    raises their credibility significantly in the eyes of others. It means that they do follow the evidence and change their mind when appropriate, and that means they're likely usually mostly right about stuff, and therefore can be trusted.

    As for the donor of the cybertrucks, your right, it wasn't Elon Musk, even though I never said it was and you've repeatedly refused to address correcting me on a statement I didn't make.

    However, it also wasn't the owner of UP FIT, which you've repeatedly claimed that it was without evidence. When it was pointed out that the article didn't support your claim, as you said it did, you pivoted and deflected, instead of simply saying, "Damn! You're right. I completely misread that."

    So, allow me to help. According to The Guardian , it was Ben Horowitz.

    The mysterious donor turned out to be Ben Horowitz, co-founder of the Silicon Valley venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz, and his wife Felicia Horowitz. They came forward just days after McMahill posted the renderings on social media. Horowitz’s firm, one of the best-known in Silicon Valley, invests in a variety of tech companies and spent $400m to help Musk take over Twitter in 2022.

    Lastly, I'd just like to say that, had you owned up to correcting me for saying something I hadn't said at the start, I totally would have just taken your word for it about who the donor was. I would have had no reason to think that you were wrong about that. It was completely believable. Why would I question that?

    It was only after you kept pivoting away from that first point that I started to question the rest of what you said. And that's how it works. When you catch someone refusing to admit they're wrong about one thing, you start to doubt everything they say.

    Have a great week. I wish you the best.

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  • [+] -36 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    How could something go missing when it never existed. Musk has never molested a child. That’s all I have to post right or do you want a thing about how he’s good at video games as well no ats perfect alright they’ll post automatically in a minute or two unga gonna get some coffee

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    This is who you’re defending.

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  • [+] -7 points 10 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Not as silly as the fucking Nazi you people are defending.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Chance 3 to actually read my comment?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    See, a lot of people don't like to put the /s but sometimes it's required. I read it the way you meant it, but I could easily see how people wouldn't see the satire, as it's a bit on the nose. If you wanna do satire or sarcasm, you really should throw in at least one part that is truly absurd to let people know it's not actually defense, or throwing quotes around it if you're wanting to be more subtle. Also you need more exclamation points if you're going to mock the right.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I mean, I wrote what I believed to be the most absurdly on-the-nose propaganda center dialogue. If suddenly and randomly shifting my manner of speech, omitting punctuation, and asking whether I should add that Elon musk is good at video games isn’t enough, then I’m stumped

    Truthfully, though, I joke for me. If someone else gets a giggle out of it, I certainly enjoy it, but that matters far less than my own gratification here

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The funny thing about them not being bulletproof will be the batteries getting pierced setting off a fire while they’re locked in.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

    Fun facts I've gathered up...

    • 10 Cybertrucks were donated to Las Vegas police.
    • Las Vegas haven't noted whether to keep or sell them.
    • Any vehicle going into police duty must be "upfitted" aka upgraded with a police package (lights, siren, comms, armor, etc).
    • Police prefer a certain known standard performance vehicle specs for duty (horsepower, towing, speed, mass, manuvrrability, etc). Teslas are too young to have demonstrated anything of this.
    • Some out-of-spec police cars (e.g.- retired, siezed, donated) might get another use as community outreach vehicles (D.A.R.E. cars).
    • Article states an upfitting company named UP.FIT {corrected name} Las Vegas, aka UNPLUGGED PERFORMANCE ®. They are not a preferred public service vehicle upfitter, as they ONLY modify Teslas and only Teslas for contract.
    • Sheriff McMahill is an uneducated media regurgitator.
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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Wait they're still doing DARE after it was shown to increase drug use among teens?

    DARE is where I learned to make crack, and made my list of drugs I wanted to try.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    A sociology professor of mine worked her first job for Rand. Her assignment was to determine the effectiveness of DARE. She found that it was only effective on eighth grade boys. Rand thanked her, paid her, and shelved the report, because this was the Reagan era.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    DARE in wikipedia...
    "...In 2002, D.A.R.E. had an annual budget of over $10 million..."
    "...in 2012. The new program is called "Keepin' it REAL" and focuses less on lectures and more on interactive activities, such as practicing refusal and saying no to pressure.[9] It is now less explicitly focused on opposition to drugs, with the broader aim of teaching good decision-making..."

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    It brings in money, so of course they're keeping it alive. They're trying to rebrand it, supposedly helping kids avoid standard teen stuff like suicide, etc. They had a table set up outside of Walgreens a while back. They were well-trained and aggressive, but I've spent a lifetime in sales, much of it training people for that same kind of bullshit, so I have no problem blowing them off. Politely, I'm not a monster, but...No thanks.

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  • [–] 53 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    They aren’t even waterproof.

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago

    Are you sure that's the only problem?

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah. A vehicle known for trapping occupants when damaged, then burning them alive. Are you sure that’s the kind of vehicle you want to be in when it gets shot at?

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    That is exactly the kind of vehicle I want ICE to find themselves in. Makes em' melt like butter.

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Embracing the dystopian aesthetic.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    The original design had a 3/16" stainless shell and some very special glass, especially the windshield. I know that the production model is just a similar-shaped cast aluminum Tesla frame with appliance-grade stainless sheets glued to it. It's basically a different vehicle from what they showed off.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    A youtube creator showed what the said was a production car being shot with various calibers, the .22 barely dented it and if I remember right it resisted everything up to .45. My issue with that is I've seen the body panels and seen people proving its just the same stainless that a refrigerator has, and about the thickness of any car door, and I put .22 rnds threw both of them many times.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The Musk phenomenon is so strange. I live in Canada, and I’ve made multiple people absolutely melt down over the smallest criticism of him.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It probably doesn't matter if they are actually bulletproof. They'll be used as propaganda show cars, or personal vehicles for the brass, and never called into actual service.

    No one in their right mind is going to pick the "bulletproof" cybertruck over an armored Bearcat in a scenario where they expect to be shot at. For non-tactical applications they're no more or less bulletproof than a standard potrol vehicle.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    For non-tactical applications they’re no more or less bulletproof

    You sure about that? I mean, they're made of thin stainless steel glued to a plastic shell.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah. Any car that isn't armored should be assumed 0% bulletproof. I wouldn't trust a car door to protect me from a .22.

    The engine block is the only thing on a regular cop car that would reliably stop, deflect, or at least slow most bullets.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Oops. Who could've seen that one coming?

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    They can't compete with a 20 year old crown vic

    https://www.pontiacperformance.net/TechArticles/CV_BallisiticPanels.html

    It's a sad joke.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I need more proof. I don't believe they aren't, someone prove it.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 months ago*

    I appreciate you, Gollum, and I agree that that is a great video...

    ... Which is why that video is linked in the article under the heading:

    "Cybertrucks Are Not Bulletproof. Watch This Guy Shoot Holes in One to Prove It."

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    I bet it looks great in the maintenance bay every three days.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Every speeder just driving up on the sidewalk to completely disable their pursuer.

    “Ed, turn here. This road has speed bumps.”

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago

    Good the cops shouldn't be protected while they protect the status quo and serve as an enforcer of most things wrong.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    They are just about as bullet proof as the cars are self driving. Dunno why anyone might think that they would actually be bullet proof, given Musk's track record...

    /s

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Shhhh........

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago*

    Ready for Blues Brothers 2

    To pursue the Blues Brothers, filmmakers bought more than 60 old police cars at $400 [ $1,573 today] apiece, according to news reports at the time

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Its OK, its a feature!

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I see Elon Musk has a new venture: coffin making.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Shh!

    Let them find out.

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    [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Wait, people didn't know that?

    Various guntubers and social media influencers have been shooting up cybertrucks for like, 2 years now.

    Yeah, it might stop an average pistol round from a moderate distance.

    Close up? Probably not as much.

    More serious, higher velocity pistol round? Also not so much.

    Hits the glass? Yeah that shit ain't bulletproof at all.

    Rifle round? Swiss cheese.

    ... I'm confused people weren't already widely aware of the cybertruck's near total non-bulletproofness.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    The Sheriff whose officers are presumably being trained that it is Bulletproof with a big B, that guy doesn't know.

    It's an information-environment thing. If you go far enough to the right in the USA, you get a very different set of information sources.

    Those information sources think the Cybertruck is bulletproof, because Elon said that it was (we actually talk about that piece in the article).

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    The Sheriff is a fucking moron then, who hasn't done the most cursory due dilligence, a brief internet search as a sanity check.

    Like, I hear you, I get the whole concept of information silos / different segments of the hyperreality...

    ... But it also just actually is utter incompetence, objectively.

    There are at least a 100 videos of people shooting at these cybertrucks with various calibers from various ranges. Thats either the same or better quality research than most police organizations produce, other than pre-Trump FBI.

    Sheriff should be fired, its his job to know.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    That's far from the only problem....

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Originally, I thought the stainless steel cybertrucks were bulletproof, sad to see that it couldn't even take a hammer.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I mean they are, who in their right mind would shoot a police car!? But I guess that is America. Crazy

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    they are giant charcuterie saw though.

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