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[–] 38 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Turkish has no gender specific pronouns so this is every Turkish speaker I guess

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Not even for people? I dont know why that sounds so strange but it does.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    There is only one third person singular pronoun ("O") used for people (regardless of gender) and objects alike.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Huh once again, hungarian is very similar to turkish. We have "ő" for that. No aninimity or gender distinction. Tho we do have this, that and a third one which i guess translates to yonder? But yeah in some constructions you can specify aninimity with them.

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I could be an it. A good little toy.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago
    [–] 53 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    This is why everything is a little shit to me. I'm just getting all of them in one combined s/h/it word.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    In Chinese, verbally the world for he, she, and it are all the same pronunciation. It is only differentiated in writing.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    "It puts the lotion on it's skin..."

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago*

    I never get mad at "it" because it gives me flashbacks to Shale from Dragon Age Origins and I absolutely love her. she's amazing.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (8 children)

    I have an nb friend who's Finnish. They prefer "It" as a pronoun. I had to explain that as a white native english speaker, we have shat the bed waaayyy too hard to use that one in our language.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    I mean, in casual spoken finnish, "it" dominates. The third person singular for people "hän" is already gender neutral, but I guess we prefer not to make assumptions about anyone's personhood :D. Or maybe it (se) just rolls off the tongue more conveniently.

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Also funnily enough many people use "hän" when talking about pets and other animals whilst still using "se" when talking about people. "Hän" feels a bit stiff and formal when talking about people.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I have friends who use it. It feels kind of weird and wrong for me as if I'm objectiving them but if that's what they want it's what they get.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I'd be quite uncomfortable with calling anyone "it". I'll gladly use they/them, I'd be down to learn some neopronouns, but calling someone "it" is something I'd rather avoid. Even if someone likes "it" pronouns, I'd still feel incredibly weird doing so in public. Calling people an "it" is often done here to mock androgynous people. It feels dehumanizing. If I were to do so in public, it would mean they people around me (who don't know the other person's preference) would probably assume I'm doing so to mock them.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    On the other hand, when I was learning English this was the weirdest thing to me. What do you mean you have a gender neutral pronoun and it's not acceptable to use it to refer to someone we don't know the gender of?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I use 'it' to describe ME :3

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Korean, having to know the person's age, social status, relationship and all just to call someone.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    No joke: in my native German dialect, women are grammatically neutral.

    My then gf was completely shocked when visiting my birth region for the first time.
    It still married me, though! :-)

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Russian could have been such a woke language if Russia wasn't such a right-wing shithole. It's kind of elegant how you gender verbs when talking about yourself, because your conversation partner can just pick up on it and gender you accordingly.

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago (17 children)

    I've run into this a while ago but I'm not sure what to make of it. https://aria.dog/barks/on-being-a-thing/

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Holy shit... You can have domains that end in .dog?

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    "It" is personally my favorite neutral pronoun, but it has so much cultural baggage attached to it that it doesn't feel like a viable option. Why does a squirrel or a ficus or a robot get to be called "it" by default, but not a person? It isn't fair.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    it's generally used to describe non-sentient things...

    Also, using only it gets confusing when trying to determine what "it" refers to in a given sentence...

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    What's not sentient about a squirrel?

    Can you give an example of how "it" is confusing? Like "It met its friend for coffee," sounds fine to me. "It put on a warm jacket since it was cold out," uses multiple senses of the word, but it still reads fine to me.

    "They" is mildly confusing in narratives because it can be hard to distinguish whether one or multiple characters are being described, but it's not an insurmountable problem.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think it might be most confusing when someone talks about someone who uses "it/its" pronouns: my initial assumption would be that they're trying to dehumanise it unless I was already previously aware of it's pronown preference.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    That's what I mean about the baggage, yeah. You can't just make something not be a slur anymore. It's uncomfortable for people trying to be respectful, and it's easy for bigots to exploit.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    that's a good point, I think it depends on the person, but some people tend to just assume the squirrels gender in most instances rather than saying "it".

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    In my experience (and I'm sure this varies by region) it's about 50/50 whether someone will call most animals or anthropomorphized objects "he" or "it". (Cats are a big exception in that they're usually "she" even from people who know it's a boy cat.) So for me "it" is just the most natural thing, with male-as-default being second and also problematic in its own way. Maybe someday I'll like a neopronoun.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's your choice. Do what you want. Damn the haters to sheol.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    The haters are the root of the problem, but it's not like I'm not using it/its because I'm afraid of being scolded or made fun of. It's unfortunately tied to dehumanization in the sense that not being human is a bad thing, and that makes it fun for bigots to say and uncomfortable for good people to say. I lament the situation, but I also accept the way it is.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I'm all for hating the Giants as a cowboys fan. But I'm curious what role it plays in this meme.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Oh holy fuck I'm rolling!

    How have I not seen this image of Radcliffe before? He looks absolutely deranged!

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    The back story is that he was elbowed in the face on the way to the car, and probably had stage makeup on.

    https://chatterbusy.removed/2013/07/daniel-radcliffe-appears-exhausted-with.html?m=1

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Why did that word get censored?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I have to assume it's in an automod filter, but I can't imagine why. Is it a joke like how people say "Fr*nch"?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    There's a pair of asterisk symbols around the word "removed" in the address, and Lemmy or the readers are automatically italicizing what's between them and then dropping the symbols, which breaks the link.

    Using "%2A" gets around that. There might be other ways too.

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    [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    You know what’s weird? I’ve caught myself saying “it” about people a few times passively lately and then correcting myself and wondering where the fuck that came from

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

    Using "it" to refer to human beings feels super disrespectful to me. Dehumanizing much? 1992 called they want their attitudes about trans people back. Obviously if someone told me they prefer "it" pronouns I'd use them but I would feel gross about it.

    Edit to add that I have nothing against the Finnish people, and obviously there's a huge cultural difference between being totally fine and just a part of the language versus the cruel and dehumanizing way that "it" is used in the United States. It's clearly not the same and to assert otherwise, frankly, feels intellectually dishonest. I didn't expect to have to make that distinction.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Don't learn Finnish I guess.

    No gendered pronouns and we honestly use "it" (se) as a pronoun. No, I would never use it in English unless I meant to purposefully dehumanise someone, but in Finnish it's just the normal colloquial version of a personal pronoun, whereas "hän" is a 3rd person pronoun that's more formal, (but also non-gendered) . Pets usually get to be referred to as "hän" with the more formal personal pronoun, weirdly enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Why would you feel gross respecting a trans person's preferred pronouns? If a trans person wants to be thought of as an object, would you genuinely think of it as an object, or would you think of it as a person but still call it by its preferred pronouns? Because the second option would cause cognitive dissonance and might be the reason you'd feel gross.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Can't be dehumanizing if you use it for all humans XD

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I don't wanna be human, anyway. Dehumanize me. Dogicize me instead.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Non-native English speaker here. I was appalled to learn that English conjugated for animacy, and could swear "it" was the gender-neutral pronoun because that's what was used in Pokemon for example. I'm also not a fan of toggling conjugations mid-sentence, so I prefer to construct sentences with the plural "they", the expression "that person", or even the singular "one(self)", whenever I can

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's not. In academic writing the gender neutral is they/them.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Which is why I was appalled to learn it late in life that "it" was reserved exclusively to non-humans, for some reason that didn't exist in my native Spanish. The rest of my explanation would be better written on a longer blog-post of mine.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    A doctor can still use he/she though, right?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Because having words for describing a person's body is useful in the medical profession.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Except he/she aren't words used to describe a person's body, so what is your point?

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  • [+] -9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Sure it is. When referring to a man's penis you would say "his penis".

    On a related note, can you catch stupid over the Internet?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    But if a woman has a penis then it's her penis. Medically the penis is the important part, so you can still use "they" in a situation where you'd use "his/her", both to be a smoother sentence and also to be inclusive of non-binary people.

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