I'm liking the recent posts about switching to Linux. Some of my home machines run Linux, and I ran it on my main laptop for years (currently on Win10, preparing to return to Linux again).

That's all fine and dandy but at work I am forced to use Windows, Office, Teams, and all that. Not just because of corpo policies but also because of the apps we need to use.

Even if it weren't for those applications, or those policies, or if Wine was a serious option, I would still need to work with hundreds of other people in a Windows world, live-sharing Excel and so on.

I'm guessing that most people here just accept it. We use what we want at home, and use what the bossman wants at work. Or we're lucky to work in a shop that allows Linux. Right?

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[–] 64 points 10 months ago (2 children)

my employer using windows on their machine is their problem. i could be faster via bash in several instances, wouldn't have to wait ours for updates to be done ... but i get to drink tea and listen to complaints about outlook from my co-workers.

it's okay. i get paid.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I believe to be the only one running linux on the work laptop at the company. I told them I'd like to use linux when I applied and they told me "fine, but you will have to install and maintain it on your own, we have no support personal for this".

    I installed arch linux and have been happy for years. MS Teams runs in my browser.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I had that a couple of jobs ago, but since then I've been stuck with Mac or Windows depending on the employer. I understand their reasoning, but it's annoying. At my current organisation, I use WSL2 (which I was allowed to install for Docker support), and I do everything except the corporate stuff in that. So Edge, Teams, Outlook, whatever proprietary VPN we use at the time on the host, all my actual development work on WSL. It's mostly fine.

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  • [–] 72 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Full Linux shop here. Love it...

    Desktops, laptops, servers.

    For those rare customer teams meets, we just do it in the browser.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    How big is your install base at work? Still wondering how to replace something like Active Directory, Group Policies and the like for centralized management akin to Windows based networks.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    FreeIPA covers most scenarios. Kerberos, Dynamic DNS/DNS, LDAP.

    GPO equivalency would need some config management tool. Ansible is what RH would suggest, but something with an agent would probably be better.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I use an unofficial teams appimage all day every day.

    I think its probably an electron thing.

    I hate having to use it but it works fine.

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Office 365 and teams work fine on Linux in Chrome or Firefox, including voice calls, video calls and screen sharing, and notifications with pop-ups and sounds.

    Excel, in particular, is 100% inside Office365 in the browser when I have to interact with it. In the past, I have created Excel files in LibreOfffice and uploaded them to Office365 to convert. Though I haven't been tempted to do so in a few years.

    Most of my coworkers are not aware that I run Linux at work. My boss knows and doesn't care. My peers are just surprised when I mention it, because I use the same tools without issue.

    Zoom works great on Linux, as well, both in bowers and as the native app. Many corporate VPNs are compiant with open standards, and so don't even require any additional install. Cisco's isn't made right, but they provide a Linux client that works fine.

    Slack works fine in browser, including full first class notifications. I haven't sought out a dedicated client app, but I recall having some options.

    DropBox and Google have particularly decent Linux client applications, and of course, fully functional web tools.

    There's also some excellent ways to run Android apps nearly seemlessly inside an Android emulator of Linux. In theory, I could resort to those, but I haven't because everything I need works in a web browser now.

    I've heard that the two glaring exceptions are AutoCad and Adobe Creative Suite. I understand that neither works on Linux or in a browser (per other threads on Lemmy).

    Oh yeah, and Linux has more and better ways to produce nice PDFs than Windows does, and of course reads them without issue

    Oh, and yes, mandatory compliance stuff like antivirus tools and CrowdStrike also have compliant options for Linux. Some of the really shitty spyware level invasive stuff probably hasn't been ported to Linux, but the "keep me virus free" stuff seems pretty available - because they want to sell copies for Linux servers.

    Edit: If this seems needlessly thorough, it is because I worked to independently verify all of these details before my upgrade. I figure my notes might help someone making the case to switch, or just researching whether they need to not switch.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Linux has more and better ways to produce nice PDFs than Windows does

    Go on...

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago*

    Fair enough!

    Conversion

    First, I haven't yet encountered a pre-existing document on Linux that didn't turn into a nice PDF when fed into "Print - Save as PDF", which I have found to be present by default on Gnome and KDE (the two most popular desktop environments). So for the majority of distros, Print to PDF is pre-installed and available.

    For advanced use cases, there's Pandoc. Pandoc can convert most document formats to many other formats, and gives fine grained control over every step.

    Authoring PDFs

    For authoring a quick PDF, there's LibreOffice and OpenOffice.

    And of course there's GnuImp, Krita, and so many more options for editing some images to add in.

    Most distros ship with LibreOfffice or OpenOffice, and at least one image editor.

    But I do recommend investigating some free and open image editors. There's many use cases and twice as many options. If the default isn't for you, what you need may be one (free) Software search away.

    But can I just use plain text? (Yes)

    For control freaks like me, there's also a whole ecosystem of tools that work well with Markdown, ASCIIDoc, LaTex, and ReStructuredText.

    For the curious, start by trying VSCodium with a Markdown extension.

    You can tune your extensions here, but I think I recall "Markdown All-In-One" getting me all the way from raw text to nice enough looking PDFs in one command. Maybe it was two, using the built in "Print to PDF" dialog.

    Once again, PanDoc is the powerhouse of this use case, and many excellent tools are available.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm a teacher and I make Linux work for me. Open doc formats get converted to pdf for the shitty windows 7 running the printer in the printing room, and the Android/Windows only app for communications I just run on my phone. PPTs run fine. When there was a problem with the projector, 'IT guy' went to my laptop, got confused (it's Gnome), I told him not to interfere with it because it's Linux. He proceeded to say 'Ah, not working because it's not windows.' Later that day he actually came to fix the cable to the projector.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Debian at home. Red Hat at work. I have tried to talk them into better OS choices, but really I'm just glad to not be on Windows.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes, I'm forced to use Windows at work and that's part of why I only use Linux in my personal life.

    Window is so stupid and annoying. It needs to reboot like twice a day for updates. Not to mention individual apps that need to update in the middle of usage. Also the news/spam and stuff. It's garbage. I'm the guy who's constantly telling everybody that we should switch to Linux.

    (Also, even though my work laptop is Windows, I do most of my real work connected to a Linux server/IDE.)

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    even though my work laptop is Windows, I do most of my real work connected to a Linux server/IDE.

    This has been me for my entire pro career. There we are, working to maintain at&t Unix, but it's all (then) vandyke, winamp, Mozilla4. Here I am now, at work, corp win11, putty, radiogarden, fucking outlook/teams and all its dreck.

    But look at bazzite and Nobara: if we can avoid the snaps/appimages/flatpaks in addition to the venvs and npm and other toxic cult cargo sploit vectors, we have a strong platform with still just enough windows access for fucking teams and the rest of the redmond-based data sovereignty threats.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    Company went "here's your budget for ordering a laptop. Put on it whatever you want", and so there's NixOS running on it :)

    (To be fair though: small-ish, tech focused company)

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Professor here facing the same problem. I am bounded by administrative procedures with grandma school administrators.

    I use Linux at home, of course. Debloated my Win11 machine at work but hope to use Linux instead everyday.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Would requesting a mac with the argument of having access to a Unix shell potentially work? In college my IT instructor used a Mac with a windows VM via VMware Workstation and it pretty seemless. He'd use the Mac for most stuff then jump over to the Windows VM for windows specific stuff, and then diving into the native Bash shell for anything else. Honestly it was a pretty sweet setup

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I am an electrical engineer, so even beyond Teams and MS Office, several of the engineering and CAD programs we use are not supported or only partially supported on Linux (i.e. hardcoded to only work on a specific version of Ubuntu, lol).

    I have spoken to our IT guy, and he would be completely on board with using Linux, but even he acknowledges that there is no reasonable path to us doing so, so I just sort of accept it.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    several of the engineering and CAD programs we use are not supported or only partially supported on Linux

    Gotta change software if y'all want to be more than hostages.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago

    I'm allowed my own laptop cuz most of my work is ssh to a server and fix shit. You have to register your laptop on the network first though.

    Office, Team: these can work via the browser if your company/organizations pay for the subscription. In fact, the web versions run much better than the standalone desktop ones for me.

    Code editor, terminal, programing in general: These work much much better in linux. You open a terminal and you write commands to install stuff. Editors are even easier, i.e. nano, vim, vscode, emacs.... etc. just pick your poisons..

    Email: now I login to my exchange email using the browser. That works for 100% of the stuff I need to do: basic emails stuff, accept/decline meetings...etc. Unless you absolutely need to use Outlook, there should be no problems.

    Now... the real problem lies in specialized software like CAD, CAE tools. I like Linux but there isnt a free CAD / CAE tool that is comparable to what the industries are using. In academic? absolutely you can use for research.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    The last several places I worked gave me a choice between Windows and Mac OS, so I picked Mac OS.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (-1 children)

    I recently got my Linux-laptop in a heavy MS-based company. It is enrolled via Intune and I can access all company resourcws an MS365 apps through Edge.

    Apart from having to use Edge for all of that, it is a great experience compared to what I am used to.

    But it took a while and a lot of complaining about being allowed to use more appropriate tools for our job. But the bottom line is: ask for it. Tell them why you need it. When they say no, try again later, document why your current setup fails and why getting a Linux-machinee would work. Maybe you will succeed. IT here has gone from "we don't use open source" (actual quote) to giving us Linux-laptops and setting up Linux-servers on OT. They grow from this also.

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    [–] 36 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    No. We are a proper engineering company.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    Lol what kind of engineering? Because it probably isn't mechanical, electronics, or civil because most of those programs don't work in Linux 😂

    I have dreams of KiCAD and FreeCAD becoming good enough to be used a lot in industry and kiCAD is nearly there, but missing tons of productivity and collaboration features, but altium is still pretty ubiquitous, spaghetti code garbage that it can be.

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  • [+] -8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    As an engineer, piss off with this pretentious crap.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Thinkpads running Linux for the staff.

    We use open-source. Our own on-prem servers running Linux. A lot of our software is also open source. Our git, our office suite, our video and chat... All open source.

    We just got rid of our Google Cloud connections a few months ago, but we're still reliant on aws, cloudflare, etc.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I have to use 11 at work. In a way I'm thankful because I've been exposed to how shit it is and it makes me appreciate Linux more. I can't see them changing anytime soon as it seems like we're getting more dependent on their shit.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    Yes, but maybe it's not so bad. It creates a clear separation between work and play. Windows is for boring work and office stuff. Linux is the happy place at home.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Its not my machine, so I don't really care. As long as it doesn't prevent me from doing the work, then that is the employers problem what OS they want to enforce.

    On my personal computer, I run what I want and will continue to do so where possible. Hence, why I like using Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    My work PC has Windows 11 and it does get in the way of my work. This bullshit is using 12GB of RAM to run a web browser, Teams, and Powershell. Before "upgrading" to 11 from 10, it used about 3GB less RAM for the same stuff. Nothing has improved from 10 to 11, just made it slower.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    I used to work as a software dev before mass layoffs got me. Our work was technical enough that most of us used Linux to the point that finding a Windows user to test things was a real problem.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Linux admin grey(ish) beard here, work provides a MacBook and I just use it as a web browser and terminal.

    Internal chat, mail, etc are all browser based, Google Docs is the office suite of choice for anyone I have to work with.

    I get a decent terminal (iterm2), together with ZSH, tmux and Python is all I really need. We do have a bunch of GNU core utils installed as well, although coming from a UNIX background, I don't mind the BSD versions that ship on MacOS either.

    Would I prefer Linux? Yes, I would. But at the same time, the M4 performance is awesome, the touchpad is glorious and I don't have to foot the bill, so I'm not complaining!

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  • One addition, in the past I've been forced to use Windows at previous jobs, but once we got WSL, that wasn't too much of a pain either.

    And once upon a time I worked at HP and we were allowed to run whatever we wanted on our workstations, but that was before laptops were commonplace for my kind of work.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Didn't macos go Linux base a few years ago? I thought they moved away from bsd. Admittedly it's been a good few years since I've had to touch a Mac os.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    I use an M2 Caddy with a 1TB NVME SSD to boot into Aurora Linux on my work laptop.

    The laptop keeps it's Windows license intact and when I need to move to a new laptop, it's plug and play work.

    CUPS works with every printer in my office out of the box.

    I am the user with less IT support tickets, I don't require Windows, Office nor Adobe licenses.

    IT is happy, I'm happy. Every day is pure bliss.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Web dev, Linux at home and work. Works fine for my scenario.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    We're a Linux shop at my work. We do have a windows PC due to corporate policies...but everything we do on our windows PCs we could do from Linux.

    Outlook? Website. Excel? Website. Jira? Website. Teams? Website. Nearly everything we do front end wise is all web based. Which, I know electron sucks, but from a "Linux as a main desktop environment"...I'm pretty damn happy with everything being web based nowadays. It's all OS agnostic.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm a MLOps engineer. Rules at my current company is that you need Windows or MacOS. According to the IT department it won't work if you use Linux.

    So I installed Linux anyway and everything is working perfectly. My manager don't care that I use Linux but the IT department is not happy.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I'm a Linux sysadmin. I was issued a Windows laptop. But I have been allowed to add a second NVME drive to it that has Debian 12 installed. So Debian 12 has been my main working environment.

    I also have a desktop in my cube running Windows.

    I rarely boot my laptop to windows. But if I need to do something with modifying Windows smb shares or active directory I just remote into my Windows Desktop. I'm also running a ssh server on my windows desktop so about half of my windows active directory work is done via powershell over ssh.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    My university forces us to use Microsoft products and I hate it.

    The only good thing is that most MS products are available through web browser nowadays, but they have random quirks that make me bash my head against the desk.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Yup, and every time I have to deal with Windows bullshit at work, I get a little bit happier that I don't have to deal with it when I go home.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Nah, I'm free to do what I want with my laptop as long as I can do the work. I work in IT and everyone uses windows. But so far so good. Would like to get outlook classic to run on Linux though

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I'm a fucking Cloud Systems Engineer with 20 years in and at my new job IT wouldn't give me local admin and wouldn't approve hardly any software installation requests. Yet if I wanted to I could wipe every single customer's data and destroy them all. Doesn't make sense

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Meanwhile I got local admin because the IT guy who's no longer there couldn't be bothered to install a couple of utilities for me and most of what I actually do is manage SaaS services in a web browser

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I'm not forced to, but occasionally my job kinda requires it so I dualboot (most of my coworkers who are on linux run a windows virtual machine when they need it).

    But my previous job required windows due to all the industry specific software only working on windows. No chance of getting that to work on linux sadly. Then I just used windows at work. It's always my employer's hardware anyway and I like to keep work and free-time separate so it was ok.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Current workplace: Windows computers with all development being done in Linux VMs. Management and a few younger devs are pushing for WSL, while several older devs are demanding Linux-only laptops.

    Previous workplaces: One more with Windows + Linux VMs. One with Windows + X remote desktop to development servers. One with Linux PCs.

    I have been exclusively applying for jobs that promised Linux development though.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Forced to use Windows 11 at work, my brand new laptop with 32GB or RAM takes 10 to 20 seconds to open the explorer or view an image. It's horrendous. It's absolutely not because of the application I need to use because I literally do EVERYTHING in Google Chrome. This year IT uninstalled Excel and Word from our laptops because we are supposed to do all the work in Google Drive. Updates always need minimum 2 reboots and you need to attend to the computer because rebooting will get stuck on the encryption password. I hate it, but it always been like that so...

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Nope, software dev here.... work gave me a budget, told me to pick a computer and I put Linux on it. My Boss (the VP of Engineering) also runs Linux. We're a small company and some people do run Windows but we have google workspace so there hasn't been anything I've needed windows for.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Luckily not. I work in the infrastructure team at a small company, everything we do is managed using Ansible (even Windows), so developing on Linux is a much nicer experience.

    For communication we use Mattermost and Jitsi plus many other open source tools and services.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I'm lucky that I work from home (have done since before the pandemic) and pretty much all my work is done in a browser, and my bosses don't care what I use as long as the work gets done. So I just work on Fedora on my regular desktop.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    No, instead I'm forced to use macOS at work.

    And Microsoft Teams, which is terrible, but somehow still better than Cisco Webex, which we had before.

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    For us its the lack of proper multi-monitor support in the hardware. We have triple 27inch monitor setups on our desks with thunderbolt docks.

    Plug a windows or Linux laptop into them no problem, single cable solution and 4 distinct displays. Plug a Mac into it and the best you get is two displays with the 3 external displays all showing the same image. Stupid arbitrary Apple limits.

    Plus the Apple hardware is so fragile and difficult to repair. We mostly stick to Dell Latitudes, HP Elitebooks and Lenovo T series because of the better hardware.

    Most people dont need more than 10 hours battery life. If you do, you are probably one of those people who always forget to charge their phones anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    So much.

    • Window Management, especially fullscreen
    • Alt Tabbing Behaviour
    • Default Keyboard Layout
    • The Dock with its forced defaults (Finder leftmost, Trash rightmost etc)
    • No volume control over HDMI
    • Power Management (no manual hibernate, closing lid always sleeps)
    • File System Support
    • The reactions that auto trigger on webcam
    • The Global Menu
    • Unchangable limit to virtual desktops
    • Default apps being hard to change in some cases (mailto: links for example)
    • The weird software installation process with dragging icons to a special folder
    • That I can't temporarily disable a system management profile
    • The way the BSD tools are slightly different than the GNU ones, with grep slower for certain patterns
    • No Package Manager by default (unless you count the App store with forced accounts)
    • Weird filesystem setup, far from FHS

    I have installed various pieces of third party software to fix some of them, but still, those are things I dislike about macOS.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Im self employed so I can use what I want.

    I have a few assisstants who use win 11.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Yes, unfortunately

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Software engineer. Last company that made me use Windows was one I left 3 years ago I think. Since then it's been MacOS or LInux, and I love both. I actually prefer Linux at home and MacOS for work. Just add brew (obviously) and a tiling window manager and I'm done. With Linux at home I tinker more, I actually used to use Gentoo for gaming...

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Nope: My lathe runs Linux.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago*

    That's what shadow IT is for.

    You try through the normal channels, explaining why, and if it's not enough, you find a way to still be productive DESPITE the rules of the place. Then eventually you move on to a saner place.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I use Linux on my work computer

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Mac, actually. Its a different kind of bad. At least I can use many of the same cli tools.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    TIL companies have Mac fleets

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    I mean this happens. Traditionally it was companies with lots of digital artists for improved software compatibility, but these days it's really more done for developers and anyone else just as an employee perk to put them on their preferred platform.

    Honestly, for administration purposes having a proper native Unix shell running standard utilities is extremely handy, especially when you need to manipulate files, such as working with disk/VM images for example

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    I count myself as one of the lucky ones that isn't forced to use Windows by the company I work for. We even have our internal (ubuntu-based) distro, and despite being passable proficient with Linux, I can count on having support if I ever need it.

    That’s all fine and dandy but at work I am forced to use Windows, Office, Teams, and all that.

    Yeah, me too. But all of those (except Windows of course) can be used on the browser

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    We in engineering are allowed to use whatever the heck we want so long as IT agrees that it is useful and safe and costs less than other options.

    So we run a bunch of open source stuff. But the biggest one is Python. We connect arduinos and rpies to run complex machines. Meanwhile CAD runs on windows unfortunately along with all the bullshit spreadsheet, word and PowerPoint.

    Linux is awesome and I see Windows day's numbered. So long piece of shit obsolescence software! One day you will be no more.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I am working in company where about 35% of users are on Windows, 40% on Linux and 25% on Mac. In Linux, official way to use MS Office is web apps, but Libreoffice is quite heavily used too.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    sure am and it fucking sucks

    just today I ran into a new issue - when you try to close an Excel document without saving, it asks if you want to merge your changes with the server.

    I do not, I want to close without saving, so I choose no.

    then it asks if I want to save the document.

    I do not, I want to close without saving, so I choose don't save

    The document finally closes. I reopen the document, and guess what's there? my unsaved changes. if I try to close the document, the cycle repeats.

    Microsoft fucking removed the ability to close a document without saving

    I tried this on Windows 10 on one computer and Windows 11 on another computer with the exact same behavior

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    My job involves maintaining Linux servers so there are no problems with Linux as my desktop.

    Currently Arch Linux as the desktop OS.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I was managing with virtual box on the work machine. But following win 11 the performance under hyper v is so appalling that I gave up.
    In the end my solution is a 2nd hand ThinkPad off FB marketplace that I use for work.
    Browser apps cover all the word/excel/outlook/teams requirements.
    Winboat is covering the very limited set of other apps.
    Everything else I do works better in Linux, or at least better on a device I have admin for.
    Yes I am out of pocket but not significantly, and not having to deal with windows has been completely worth it for me.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Our engineers can use Linux desktop if they want, and I suppose anyone else could as well, but Microsoft Office is really what keeps me on Windows at work. I could use the browser based apps for 80% but that last 20% is nasty. And yes, I use libreoffice at home. The cross compatibility just isn't there without loads of extra time that I don't have.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Sharepoint and collaborative editing is what keeps us on Windows. Everything else we do is browser based so the OS doesn’t matter. I suppose we could live in Office365 but it’s not nearly as full featured as the desktop apps.

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