Furthering that they are indeed not the "Pro-Life" party but instead the "Pro-Birth" party.
post
Car Companies: "the regulations are so big and heavy and workers cost so much munnies. Pls let us do less QA on the vehicles mandatory to live in america."
Republicans: "CRUSH MORE CHILDREN, who would dare inconvenience these poor sweet automotive corporations?!"
Anyone paying attention: "Yall know aside from oil companies, car companies are the most ridiculously subsidized companies on earth?"
Cars can never be too safe. What I want is a car with no computers or telemetry whatsoever. I want a car that is private with how I use it. Like what they were pre 2000s. Just a hunk of metal to go from point A to point B.
Those cars were absolutely more dangerous than the ones on the road now.
True self-driving cars would be the epitome of safety, because humans are the most common reason for failure in most systems.
Edit: people seem to think I'm endorsing the use of a telescreen.. I mean infotainment system, in cars. That's not what's happening. Safety technology in cars and spyware in cars are two separate discussions. It's a fact that vehicles today are safer than they were 20 years ago due in part to advancements in safety technology.
And a fully autonomous vehicle would need all of the sensors and processing to be local, so there's really no need for the Internet to be involved at all.
I'd 100% trust a purpose built system that can do millions of sensor reading and calculations a second with a full 360° view more than I would a human who can get tired, intoxicated, distracted, or bored. The technology just isn't there yet.
It's a fact that vehicles today are safer than they were 20 years ago
The difference in safety over the last 20 years is nothing compared to the difference in safety over the 20 years before that, and again in the 20 years before that. We've pretty much plateaued as far as (occupant) safety goes. We've somewhat regressed as far as other road useres' safety goes...
cars like that already exist. you can't afford them.
Besides kit cars or deliberately older designed cars like a Morgan Stanley, what modern cars have no driver tracking? The only one I'm aware of is the Slate EV.
I have a 2012 Nissan Leaf in Australia. It uses the 2G network for all telemetry. Australia just turned off the 3G network.
I think its pretty safe to say the telemetry does not work anymore.
Agreed, but a 13 year old Nissan leaf is rather old at this point (which is a good thing!), and is affordable. The person I was responding to implied that there are current production cars without tracking, but they are just unaffordable to most, which I found confusing, as I struggle to come up with a modern current production vehicle that doesn't track the user regardless of it being basic affordable transportation or a Ferrari.
As long as you don't get a touring bike, most motorcycles don't track you.
Ah yes, it's safety that makes newer cars expensive you see. Not the wireless key-fobs, power seats, built in ipad to replace the perfectly fine knobs and buttons, autonomous driving features...
They aren't even save for anyone outside the vehicle, to the point that death are increasing already. not just bikes video
This is the only excuse for the massive inflation of new car prices vs. rate of wage increases over the decades. I will give auto engineers props for this accomplishment; cars are so much safer now than 30 years ago.
Dont sleep on either "many new cars are electric" or "cars last a fuckton longer".
Per-capira "total cost of ownership" for a car from purchase to retirement hasnt increased nearly as much as first-sale price would suggest. (Though the "financing cost" of the one-or-more transactions is a separate matter.)
Never buy new. Let someone else deal with the frequent hassle of getting all the problems fixed "under warranty" while the lemons get sent to salvage. Give me the vehicles that survive. Case in point, I bought my first car for $500, drove it for 24 years, and the biggest age-related expense was rebuilding the front end for $600. I sold the car in 2011 for $1000. I bought my current SUV in 2009 and the biggest mechanical failures have been replacing the power steering pump and the 4WD short axles.
I had a friend who insisted he needed to spend all his money buying new cars. He tried to tell me how much money he was saving because the dealership was fixing all the problems for free. I pointed out that he had barely even driven his new car because it was spending more time at the dealership every week or two and he was constantly wasting his own time taking it back for yet another problem.
Good advice, though not really germane to the topic.
Somebody has to buy the new cars for there to be used cars for you to buy, and the price you offer has to be more valuable to them than the car they're selling.
FWIW, A good argument for buying new isn't "look what the dealer's fixing", but rather "I don't want hidden surprises". Private party sales can very much be caveat emptor, and even getting a dealership to stand by their claims can be unprofitable.
That's what rich people are for -- to suffer for the benefit of the working class.
For the high end. Sure.
And poor, financially illiterate people buy up the low end.
But who buys the middle?
Imo that the sweet spot for leases. People who want modern safety/reliability/warranty, and resigned themselves to the fact that they'll always have a car payment if they prioritize these things.
What year was that? I don't believe a $500 car would last 24 more years. These days you can't even buy a 24 year old car for $500
It was a '74 Pontiac LeMansthat I bought in 1987. And sorry, I did forget about one thing... I had to replace the transmission a couple times, but back then you could get them from a junkyard for cheap, and it only took a couple hours to replace. Probably would have lasted a lot longer if I'd taken the time to rebuild the clutches though. Of course it's not like you can drive any vehicle forever, there was the maintenance as things like bushings and alternators wore out. For this discussion though I don't count things that you have to do on any vehicle with 300k miles on it. Everything wears out eventually, and yeah even the motor was starting to smoke by that time.
Yeah kinda burying the lede on this. Cars built in the 70s had a much more simple, serviceable construction.
By the time you let it go, it was also probably grandfathered in to emissions requirements because it's a classic car.
Anything from the 90s- 2010 will not hold up like that one did.
My secondhand 1999 Crown Victoria went 284000 miles over 19 years. I had to put some work into it, but when I traded the car in, everything still worked, minus the trunk lock (super glued by frat boys) and the driver door handle (snapped off in my hand, twice, replaced with channel locks clamped onto the remaining nub).
I mean, my SUV is a 2004 and seems to be holding up pretty well. I give it full synthetic oil and take it off-road occasionally, so it gets a wide range of treatment. Maybe I'm just not as bothered as other people are by the occasional bit of maintenance. I just replaced the thermostat this Fall, which was certainly a lot harder than on the old car because this one is buried down along the side of the engine, but it was still a pretty simple job.
The cheapest car I ever owned was listed on Craigslist for $1,000 but I managed to talk it down because it had a broken fuel gauge, only lasted me about a year. It was a 1993 Dodge Dakota, so we're in OBD1 era here. I'm currently driving a late 90s Honda with almost 300,000 miles, it burns oil but it's still drives fine. I'm going to drive it until it dies and then hopefully I'll have enough money to buy something on Craigslist. In my experience $500 would only buy you a mechanic's special. I first got my driver's license in the 2010s and I live on the west coast, if that makes any difference
Electric cars are still kinda expensive because they are new, and not yet the majority. But wow they are going to be so much cheaper in the long run. Fewer parts and easier maintenance. It’s surprising how much longer something lasts when it doesn’t need to contain numerous miniature explosions per second.
Everything is a special model these days which makes the price higher. You don't see mid range, average cars anymore.
Instead of patching over the rising costs, maybe we can move to living in communities that aren't so dependent on such a costly, depreciating asset for every home?
Clearly not the onion. My right wing father (not Republican because we are not American and he's technically a monarquist) complains that cars are too expensive due to the mandatory security features. Features that he has on his fully equipped Porsche because he wants to be safe, obviously.
as someone from the country where porsche is native and where it owns their own political party.. owning a porsche is one of the clearest signs one can send that they are a massive asshole lol
That's true in other countries too. Or a bmw.
bmw is like every fourth car here. you can joke they come without turn signals but its just a run of the mill car brand for all kinds of people
only a certain kind of personality gets a porsche
That tracks in America too, but a better example here is pickup trucks.
There a similar effect with Mercedes in the US: they mainly export their high-end cars here, not their economy cars. Therefore Americans associate the entire brand with rich assholes. It’s true enough within the US, but may not hold outside it.
Ted Cruz is blaming life-saving car safety regulations for the rising cost of cars
This is correct. They will be cheaper. The question is not how much money is spent, but it is what you get for that money.
I'm sure if we get rid of all food safety laws there will be cheaper food available as well. It will make manufacturing much easier.
Likewise, if we eliminate the EPA and the huge amount of environmental protection laws we have, manufacturing will be much cheaper and feasible to do in the USA.
Chesterton's Fence remains in effect, as ever. Fiddle with these rules at your own risk. Consequences don't care about your feelings and the universe will make sure to pay you back.
But the prices won't go down. Reductions in production costs are only reflected in sale prices when there's a market force driving the costs down. Right now, people have to own cars, and the barriers to entry into the matlrket are too high for new competitors. There's no reason for the auto manufacturers to lower prices if their costs go down. They can just pocket the difference.
They'll get rid of the safety mechanisms to make the cars cheaper... to produce.
But you and me will still pay the same prices.
Because its corporate profits they are concerned about, not personal savings.
Maybe if American "cars" were actually car sized, they would need a lot less material to be made, and require a less powerful cheaper motor to move all that metal around.
Replace seat belts with piano wire and make air bags with 50x the explosive charge but replace the airbag with ball bearings.
Ah yes the Tullock Spike
Millions dead? Are you crazy? 3 months of my 2 point auto safety plan and everyone will drive very very carefully all the time! I'm SAVING LIVES!
Reads as rather blantant satire to me. Perhaps you're the weird one weirdy.
Natural selection has been removed. Now republicans are trying to reintroduce it.
They'll (mainly) be the ones affected. I say let it happen.
Then again, I don't like most people.
The article is saying that one of the main things they are trying to axe is Automatic Emergency Braking requirements, and it links to a page with this video. The people in the biggest vehicles will be mostly fine I think, it's everyone else that's in trouble here.
This is kinda misleading, the complaint is that cars are too expensive. They're not saying cars should be less safe, just that the extra safety isn't worth the financial cost.
(Still not a good position to take in my opinion)
That's par for the course for Republicans. Are things too expensive? Let them be shittier so they are cheaper.
And the act all surprised when they just get shittiee, but not cheaper.
Yeah, and the thing is I'd be a lot more receptive to that argument if they were willing to support funding the sort of road and transit infrastructure that actually make cars less dangerous.
Its not misleading. They could cut costs in multiple areas, but specifically chose safety.
I'd have to argue that cars are less safe when there is a giant tablet bolted to the dash and every setting is buried in menus.
I think we're finally past the peak of tablet-ification of car dashboards. A lot of manufacturers have finally realized people hate it and newer models are putting all crucial functions on buttons and only putting infotainment stuff on the tablet.
See Tesla front end crash stats.
Swipe..swipe...submenu, press...swipe...crash.
Yeah. Right wing positions are wrong enough without the constant, panicky extremification of them that goes on. It’s not really persuasive to anyone when we distort these positions and then crow about how bad they are. It’s all just part of the outrage-engagement complex that is rapidly rotting all our brains.
You're assuming what they're saying is true. Many other countries have those same safety features without their cars costing nearly as much
Have they considered moving to a place with better public transportation?
it's not misleading, it's pointing out the GOPs actual position, which is to reduce costs that the manufacturer can't avoid to save them money. If safety regs are gutted, manufacturers get to keep the prices the same, but make more money. If instead more regulations are put in that necessitate reducing costs in other areas it will just cost the manufacturers money.
Safety is basically self-certified in the US. What evidence is there that the extra cost is related to safety?
I understand that Republicans are often prohibited by their own belief systems to look at the profit margins of the things they occasionally pretend to want to make affordable, but in the US that's exactly where a lot of the problem lies.
You can argue with the evidence if you want to but it is offered right there, at the top of the article.
NHTSA says have saved 860,000 lives since 1968.
The amount of lives saved isn't what I was interested in. I was interested in the purportedly added cost. US car safety regulations are toothless compared to the EU. That's partially why our roads are filled with monster truck sized pedestrian flatteners.
I see - so you’re arguing with the Republican premise that safety features add cost. It seems obvious that more features will add some cost, but how much is the question. The number of lives saved is also pretty important to understanding that cost, I would add.
Naturally the GOP are trying to deflect general economic outrage at Democrats and “nanny state” regulators any way they can.
Yeah I question it especially because they tend to state shit like this sans evidence, and people just believe them because they are the "small government, fiscal responsibility" themed party.
You're actually right though that lives saved would be part of the economic calculation if they were doing it, which they are not.
Jesus fuck! What the fuck is it with these fuckers!?!? really? Cars are too safe!??! WTF?
I am guessing they want to deregulate the safety laws so that they can take the money that they spend on it and stick it into their pockets and still keep the price of cars the same!
I agree with them whole heartedly. When they remove seat belts, they need to be the first to become a pavement puddle.
You mean the group of people that are okay with schools being used for target practice thinks cars are too safe?! I am shocked.
For the passenger? Very safe.
For the pedestrians that get hit? Ha! They're literally death machines. At this point, I'm surprised we're not putting spikes on the front of the car Mad Max style to ensure the pedestrians' death.

Y'all can buy these right now.
Saw these idiotic rims on a smol penis indicator the other day.
These certainly do have a use on freight trucks but not your urban crawler tho. They help identify loose and rotating lugs and give you a little means to know when you're too close to a curb. Plus as you drive you can shred other people's tires.
Edit: these being the silver spikes not the ghetto push on hubcaps
Give credit where credit is due. Death race 2000 came out 4 years before mad max.



top 95 comments