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[–] 23 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Cars can never be too safe. What I want is a car with no computers or telemetry whatsoever. I want a car that is private with how I use it. Like what they were pre 2000s. Just a hunk of metal to go from point A to point B.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Those cars were absolutely more dangerous than the ones on the road now.

    True self-driving cars would be the epitome of safety, because humans are the most common reason for failure in most systems.

    Edit: people seem to think I'm endorsing the use of a telescreen.. I mean infotainment system, in cars. That's not what's happening. Safety technology in cars and spyware in cars are two separate discussions. It's a fact that vehicles today are safer than they were 20 years ago due in part to advancements in safety technology.

    And a fully autonomous vehicle would need all of the sensors and processing to be local, so there's really no need for the Internet to be involved at all.

    I'd 100% trust a purpose built system that can do millions of sensor reading and calculations a second with a full 360° view more than I would a human who can get tired, intoxicated, distracted, or bored. The technology just isn't there yet.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    It's a fact that vehicles today are safer than they were 20 years ago

    The difference in safety over the last 20 years is nothing compared to the difference in safety over the 20 years before that, and again in the 20 years before that. We've pretty much plateaued as far as (occupant) safety goes. We've somewhat regressed as far as other road useres' safety goes...

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    cars like that already exist. you can't afford them.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Besides kit cars or deliberately older designed cars like a Morgan Stanley, what modern cars have no driver tracking? The only one I'm aware of is the Slate EV.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I have a 2012 Nissan Leaf in Australia. It uses the 2G network for all telemetry. Australia just turned off the 3G network.

    I think its pretty safe to say the telemetry does not work anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    Agreed, but a 13 year old Nissan leaf is rather old at this point (which is a good thing!), and is affordable. The person I was responding to implied that there are current production cars without tracking, but they are just unaffordable to most, which I found confusing, as I struggle to come up with a modern current production vehicle that doesn't track the user regardless of it being basic affordable transportation or a Ferrari.

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