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[–] 165 points 11 months ago (11 children)

They are outright admitting their orders are unlawful?

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  • [–] 72 points 11 months ago (9 children)

    Nah.

    Their rationale starts with the belief that all of Trump's orders are lawful, because he's the president and a president can do anything.

    So their issue would be that saying that isn't true, is unlawful.

    Which is obviously hypocritical because they acted like Biden and Obama were Stalin and Mao level authoritarians and multiple sherrifs and other red state officials flat out refused to follow orders from the Fed.

    By their logic now, all those people shouldve been hung.

    But when Trump's out of office they'll change their tune again

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  • [–] 52 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    If it weren't for double standards, the Republicans would have none whatsoever

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Our standards are the best, folks. They're so good, they call them, you know what they call them? I know you know, the lying media knows, but folks they call them "double standards". Can you believe it? Standards so good they're double. And listen, when we put America First, our standards will triple, even quadruple.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    But the reason shit is so fucked, is the neoliberal wing took over the Dem party and their only problem with a strong fed is they didn't control it.

    Instead of fighting against the centralization of power, they went along with it because 50% of the time they got the keys.

    And the oligarchs that funded both sides were cool with it for the same reason the US was cool with installing puppet dictators in the ME.

    You want centralized power in a puppet state because the more you concentrate the bribe the more the person will do for it.

    It's not impossible to buy off ~550 politicians to own the federal government, but it's easier to just buy off the president.

    Just like it's easier to buy off a single federal government, than 52 state/territories.

    Which is kind of the whole reason we as citizens should want the power distributed as much as possible, which includes unfreezing the number of House seats and putting more power in state governments.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Shifting power toward the Presidency has been going on far longer than there were neoliberals. It goes back to the early days of the country.

    You are hyper-fixated on one particular boogeyman. Heretics and apostates have always been more hated than infidels.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Shifting power toward the Presidency has been going on far longer than there were neoliberals. It goes back to the early days of the country.

    Not really...

    There was a short bump after the civil war.

    But after that it's all been relatively recent.

    Even the stuff FDR was doing was mostly about funding states and projects that helped them.

    The consolidation of power in the fed has been about 50 years which is recent on a country's timeline.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Their rationale starts with the belief that all of Trump’s orders are lawful, because he’s the president and a president can do anything.

    To be fair, the supreme court recently said exactly that. We literally have a king now.

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  • [–] 102 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    When is the majority of this country going to grasp that we are dealing with an actual, real life traitor?

    Is it going to be one of those things where it isn't generally recognized until way after the fact when historians/teachers/students are studying the time period?

    It's pretty fucking obvious.

    He INCITECD AN INSURRECTION. He is ADVOCATING FOR HANGING POLITICIANS FOR ADHERING TO THE CONSTITUTION.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I fear that if things somehow miraculously go back to normal in the Untied States, absolutely nothing will have been learned, these chucklefucks won't be prosecuted, no laws will change to prevent a fascist regime, and millions of Americans will carry on oblivious that anything out of the ordinary happened

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  • [–] 73 points 11 months ago

    The only people who would get mad about telling the troops to refuse illegal orders, are the people who plan to issue illegal orders.

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  • [–] 60 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Trump: “Hang them for sedition!”

    Commentator: “That is of course nonsense. The President doesn’t have the authority to …”

    Supreme court: “As the President is a sovereign, he has absolute authority to issue death sentences for any reason” (6-3 majority)

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    That ruling would also be blatant permission to commit genocide

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, Genocide is their end-goal. They've already been setting up the camps.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    There might already be executions happening at the camps. People have gone missing from them with no explanation. I wanna see people demand answers with the same energy they demand the epstein files

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  • [–] 47 points 11 months ago

    Quiet, piggy.

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  • [–] 44 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    For context:

    Half a dozen members of Congress who previously served in the military or intelligence community are urging service members and intelligence officials to disobey illegal orders that might be issued by President Donald Trump’s administration. Democratic lawmakers Sen. Elissa Slotkin, Sen. Mark Kelly, Rep. Jason Crow, Rep. Maggie Goodlander, Rep. Chris Deluzio and Rep. Chrissy Houlahan said the “threats to our Constitution” are coming “from right here at home,” and repeatedly urged the military and intelligence community to “refuse illegal orders.”

    The video was posted on twitter, but I'm attaching it below.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    if they had balls every dem politicians who could run for next election should say that they will pardon anyone who gets arrested or in trouble for disobeying illegal orders.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Set aside Dems for a moment. When will the media give any of these scandals any deserving attention? Bush, Obama, Biden got raked by the media for weeks for the slightest misspeak

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Yeah they do that because the people who own the media know two things:

    1. The Dems will get criticised by both people left of them and people right of them, so raking them over the coals generates a lot of outrage which equals to clicks and views.

    2. They can use this public perception pressure to ensure they keep passing policies that are, if not aligned with, don't affect the super rich owners and donators. Because the media owners can always dial up the jingoism and get the republicans elected again at the subsequent end of second term election.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    They are all complicit, however I cannot comment on that, because I have not watched tv or followed main stream media in a decade. I have ground news, which is great (I do have some complaints about it, it isn't perfect but no point venting here). So I personally cannot complain about them too much.

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  • [–] 136 points 11 months ago (21 children)

    The fuck is wrong with Americans?

    If any other president had said the things he said over the past couple of months, the country would have exploded and a president either legally or through mass protest removed from office.

    What's so special about this orange nutjob?

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    What’s so special about this orange nutjob?

    Nothing, really. He's not doing anything other piece of trash authoritarians haven't done before. And he's not doing it as effectively as many of them did.

    What's special is that we live in a country whose populace is so ignorant and hateful that a high enough percentage of the population supports this basic ass bitch because he says basic ass hateful shit that he has remained protected by them.

    The issue isn't Trump. Our society could have easily kept him just a whiny little rich bitch like all the other whiny little rich bitches. The issue is our society because we didn't.

    Believe me. There is nothing special about this loser.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    There is nothing special about him. Assholes like him are a dime a dozen.

    The real issue is generations of brainwashing and propaganda. On a micro scale we are individuals with free will and personal responsibility. But on a macro scale, when we are looking at the population as a whole, it's so compleatly beyond people just being bad. They are like this because they have been conditioned to be like this. Taught to be like this. Turned into this.

    I'm not saying that people are not responsible for their choices and actions. I am saying that the problem is so widespread that the we need to address the cause and not get stuck at just being mad at and blaming the individual.

    American society now is the result of a fuck ton of social engineering by the wealthy elite trying to extract as much work and money out of the world as possible. We are living in the capitalist dream right now.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    There have been tons of massive protests, the average American doesn't support this crap and they're doing what they can

    The question should be the fuck is wrong with America's police officers, service members, judges, and lawmakers and other elected officials

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago*

    He doesn't care about your protests. He literally created a video of himself shitting on them and declaring himself king. It works in functioning democracies, but walking down the street with a sign will not stop a fascist intent on absolute power.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago

    He has done it so much and gotten away with it, it's been normalized.

    January 6th (aka, the insurrection) should have been a wake up call for everyone. A lot of people don't care about their country or God or whatever else they claim. Many just care about community.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    A country full of stupid, small-minded, selfish, arrogant, angry, racist, misogynists elect a stupid, small-minded, selfish, arrogant, angry, racist, misogynist... How could this have happened?

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    I think part of the problem is people assume he's going to die soon and so aren't motivated to try and remove him from office. But even if he dies soon, I fear things will get worse. JD Vance is potentially just as bad or worse. And other people involved, like Stephen Miller, could eventually become president if nothing is done to prosecute all the people involved in this clownshow

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Nothing is a special about the Cheeto Man. He is not a means to some end, as though his specialty is bringing about some change which nobody else could have. Cheeto Man is an end in himself. He’s the result of where we have been headed for a long time. Circumstances were right for a man like Cheeto Man, and now here he is. It’s like when the weather man tells you circumstances are just right for rain — that means it’s probably going to rain.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    My personal theory is that there is just so many people and so much land that one person can care about and that area is about the size and population of the average US state or European country. Once you get to the size of the US or China or Russia or even India it’s too big for people to care. Very few people in NYC give a shit about what is happening in LA on a day to day basis.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    I don’t know if it’s a lack of caring, but the distance certainly makes MEANINGFUL action for most Americans out of reach. Just marching in say Boulder, CO does jack shit in Washington, D.C.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago
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    drump is going to get what mussolini got if we keep heading in this direction

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I wish I was that optimistic but who the fuck is going to make it happen?

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    But boy howdy should they have.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    So here we are...

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    And Reddit banned me for 7 days when I said this dude should get the death penalty.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    I pray every day I see his obituary

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  • [–] 34 points 11 months ago

    and Dems need to tone down their violent rhetoric btw

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Might want to check yourself there Blowjob Rosenberg

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Just more sensationalism to keep everyone’s mind off the Epstein files if you ask me.

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    [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    krasnov out here trying to build a bigger distraction

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Trump is a cartoon villain who should have nothing to do with serious matters. He should be gone. J.D. Vance scares me way more than Trump though, and he'd be the next mole to pop up after Orange Julius Caesar.

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)
    • If trump dies, Vance doesnt need to be elected or Trump's popularity
    • The longer it takes for him to die, the more time he has to erode democratic structures that would prevent a technocrat like Vance from installing themselves permanently

    Frankly I think we missed the window for the good version of him dying - especially if he dies abruptly in a way that could be spun into suspicion

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    If anyone should be getting hanged for anything, it's Pedonald for all of his many crimes, including plotting a coup while stoking an insurrection.

    But it's always projection with the conservatives.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    He is afraid that people explain to the military the current state of the law? Like he hoped he could order them to do illegal things, and they would compüly, not knowing any better?

    BTW: The Nuremberg trials started on this day 80 years ago. I hope you guys prepare your version of it then Trump is over.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Everyday I ask myself how the democrats failed to have his ass in prison immediately. We all saw him committing sedition on tv! They also literally had a mountain of evidence he trafficked and raped children. How do the democrats always fail the simplest task to hold anyone accountable?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Because then they'd have to hold themselves accountable too. They're just as crooked as the fascists, they're just better at hiding it, and are being paid by people with different agendas.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and right wing lunatics.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder what Marcus Aurelius would do with this tyrannical pissant. I mean come on, he also must've had a limit to stoicism.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    Trump is a lunatic

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    They said you was hung!

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