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[–] 60 points 11 months ago (4 children)

no users. Lets stop pretending we can fix this by moving to yet another different platform

"We can't fix the 'no users' problem by adding more users"

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    As if complaining with no power will convince capitalists to make changes.

    These people just love to complain that Reddit doesn't listen to them, but they still sit at the trough when Reddit ignores them. Why should Reddit spend good money trying to appease them if they aren't even going to threaten to leave

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    IMO someone looking to be fed a constant stream of content will always be happier with commercial platforms. Someone looking to participate in a community or have discussions can be convinced to come to the fediverse.

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  • [–] 117 points 11 months ago (15 children)

    It's okay, if Reddit is what "has users" looks like, then I'm perfectly happy to have "no users" over here on the Fediverse.

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  • [–] [S] 47 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    It would still be nice to have more than one active poster on topics as general as

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  • [–] 21 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    You're not wrong. I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there's not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you'd like, but maybe there's enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.

    But also, no community happens out of a vacuum. If we want a viable community here, sometimes that means putting in the work of regularly contributing posts knowing fully well they'll be ignored and receive no engagement until doing so has proven enough continual activity that people feel worthwhile investing into.

    But yes, in general I agree, it would be nice if we had a little more activity around here. But I'd still rather us be on the smaller size than the too large to manage size of Reddit, given the option.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.

    This is a valid concern for other communities, but interestingly enough in the case of two two, there are enough posts and comments to still keep them separate, the issue is that most of the posts come from a single poster on each topic.

    If we want a viable community here, sometimes that means putting in the work of regularly contributing posts knowing fully well they’ll be ignored and receive no engagement until doing so has proven enough continual activity that people feel worthwhile investing into.

    Indeed, look at the weekly posts on !fedigrow@lemmy.zip

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Even some of reddit biggest comms like games, still have one primary user posting

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    You’re not wrong. I think we need to start de-specializing some in compensation on the Fediverse. Like maybe there’s not enough content to specifically support a !television community at the scale you’d like, but maybe there’s enough content if we rolled them together into !entertainment or !media.

    When I originally set up television on lemm.ee I made it the largest community on the instance within 2 months lol.

    It works on its own

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  • [–] 90 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (27 children)

    People are so stubborn that they're still using Twitter lol. It'll be many years before anything overtakes Reddit, I just hope it's decentralized

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  • [–] 78 points 11 months ago (26 children)

    I don't need anything to overtake Reddit. We don't need one platform to rule them all. I like our small corner of the internet. I like it to grow slow and organically. And it's already decentralized.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    I like it too, but it would be nice to have more than one active poster on topics as general as

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    This is what they mean when they say no active users. Effectively, there are no active users. (And yes, the problem would be solved with more active users but for anyone who makes the plunge, they come to a fairly barren alternative.)

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 11 months ago (6 children)
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    Absolutely, there are some communities that have some users.

    But in anything, even not so niche, its a ghost town. Half of Canada just watched baseball playoffs and even in the final round, the game threads had maybe 3 people.

    I don't think denying the reality of a new user's experience is helpful. It's a frustrating and solveable reality (much like our economic problems) but approaching them clear eyes seems the best approach.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    You're talking to someone who's active on !football@sopuli.xyz , the most popular game on the planet, and where nobody really discussed the Euro final, one of the most prestigious tournaments worldwide.

    Everybody is aware that there are topics where we miss people. I say it several times in this thread were people say they are happy with our current population.

    I'm not, which is why the community we're in exists, its sole purpose is to get more people here.

    All of that being said, it's still an unfair assessment to say that there are no users. It's frustrating, and that's why I posted it here.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    To each their own! I think, especially to someone on reddit, we effectively count as no active users. I don't expect people to be literal especially when they are talking about the user experience. (Heck, myspace still has millions of visitors but in common conversation, almost everyone would call it dead.)

    If we want more people, we should think about how others view us, and instead of being angry that they aren't being literal, maybe we can think how to play to our strengths.

    I dunno, rants like this just feel like we're being angry at people for a completely reasonable take on the fediverse.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    If we want more people, we should think about how others view us, and instead of being angry that they aren’t being literal, maybe we can think how to play to our strengths.

    Post got removed by Reddit: https://rl.huuu.biz/r/BuyFromEU/comments/1j0xkqa/lemmy_as_an_alternative_to_reddit_using/

    The original text: https://www.reddit.com/r/BoycottUnitedStates/comments/1jrcrh6/lemmy_as_an_nonus_alternative_to_red_dit_using/

    We've are thinking on how to promote the platform and do it every week.

    https://piefed.zip/c/fedibridge/p/654415/piefed-50k-mau-network-for-gaming-discussions-communities-guide#post_replies

    A post like that gets 13 comments. People aren't interested in this stuff. It's tedious, it's boring, they don't care.

    But when you post about the frustration of the process, you get 107 comments.

    We've done the work, but nobody cares.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    A post like that gets 13 comments. People aren’t interested in this stuff. It’s tedious, it’s boring, they don’t care.

    But when you post about the frustration of the process, you get 107 comments.

    Ha, very fair. For what it's worth, I imagine a good chunk of the comments are because, well, for me at least this got caught up in the "hot" sorting, which then snowballs things.

    Conflict etc generates clicks and engagement, even on alt social media!

    Appreciate you trying to do the work! For my part, my hackles go a little on edge whenever I see what feels like another fediverse user blaming the normies for not hanging out for our community despite being rich in Star Trek/linux/bizzare memes and (sometimes extreme) Leftie politics.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago

    I imagine a good chunk of the comments are because, well, for me at least this got caught up in the “hot” sorting, which then snowballs things.

    That's probably what happened.

    Next time I'll just rant in the Matrix Fedibridge room.

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  • [+] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (14 children)

    I agree, however we are currently shrinking not growing

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Comments have been rising but users decreasing, could this be that people have settled to one account or that bots have made more comments?

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Also the wave of speculative users and tourists who were only ever going to just check it out has died down while the actually invested users have settled more in.

    It's not about how many people are here, it's about how engaged those who stay are.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    True, I think as long as the comments are not from bots it’s looking fine. And I haven’t noticed anything like that here.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    I have no doubt there is some small level of bot and other bad actor infiltration here on Lemmy too, but the big difference is there's no incentive for any sort of authority to quietly endorse said bad actors. To me the difference is that while the reddit community hates bots, Reddit loves bots. We are the community here, for the most part, so the dichotomy doesn't exist.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It would be nice to know the ratio of users/bots in X, Reddit, Facebook, ... and the Fediverse. I'm pretty sure we would be surprised.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Someone mentioned nodeBB in the Reddit thread: https://nodebb.fediverse.observer/stats&months=24

    The numbers seem odd, @1@activitypub.space do you think they are accurate?

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    there are more users than i could ever talk to. that's plenty.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That's an excellent point. I don't think I've ever spoken to you before and I'm always meeting new people other places

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    38k is more than enough activity for a plateform to be lively. Especially when those user are spread across the world, allow for content at every hour.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago

    Like complaining about the number of people on the rafts versus the Titanic. You can stay there if you want, but you are never going to "fix" a platform that you don't control.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago*

    That's one thing I love about the Fediverse. Over on Reddit, if you belong to the 38k, you're a rounding error. Here, you're a significant part of the community.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Their loss, Lemmy is great. Everyone's been pretty good so far, even when I'm being the annoying-preachy anarchist in a lib/nonpolitical instance. That and Sync for Lemmy have made it a pretty pleasant experience.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I think I've only ever been banned from one community, and it was an NCD clone run by the reddit equivalent sub.

    The fact that you can say pretty much anything here is probably lemmy's biggest advantage, despite it being such a low bar these days lol.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    More real users than Reddit

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    My best experience with forums was one where we celebrated the day we got 300 users at the same time. It still felt vibrant, active, nice to be there.

    Indeed, even with 20 active people you can already have a vibrant community.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Especially when each Lemmy user is valued at 342 times the worth of a Reddit user.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago*

    Are you saying that comments like came here to say this take my upvote who's cutting onions saving this for later laughed at this harder than I should have tell me you're x without telling me you're x not all heroes wear capes sigh unzips pants thank you for the gold kind stranger are somehow less valuable than a genuine human thought?

    Preposterous! Laughable!

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    But moving would literally solve the number problem. That's how Reddit got big.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Don't feed the trolls. They don't need to be here anyway

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Personal experience: the smaller group is, the more friendly and stick-together group will be.

    Reddit had bots for a fucking long time. And since they allowed to close up user profiles post/comment history, tracking who is who became harder. There is no way that wasn't by design, it most certainly is. There is no secret that reddit is in cahoots with LLM companies. They will use (or already are using) bots to populate their site and probably will skew public perception in a desired way using bots.

    Not like Lemmy has no bots. But it's so much more peaceful here.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

    -sigh-

    Create an instance that’s nothing but tons of bots bullshitting eachother and include them in the numbers. You know, the ways all the other companies lie about their user count.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago

    Also commercial platforms try to maximize their user count so they can sell more ads.

    Meanwhile, fediverse has little interest in increasing its user numbers, because we don't generate money from it. In fact, more users would probably mean (slightly) higher infrastructure costs, though i'm not sure how much they actually are or whether one could consider them "negligible".

    Anyways, if we had more users, we'd also have more diverse content on Lemmy, and i would definitely appreciate that. Honestly, it's a bit sad that 50% of the posts on the frontpage are about US politics, but i guess it's just a topic that gets a lot of traction because it affects a lot of people and also because there's not so much other content on the platform yet. I hope we'll get more communities about somebody's fringe favorite topics. :D

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    their loss...

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago

    It's frustrating to see people considering 4 upvotes something to be frustrated about.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago*

    No users. Let's not fix this by not moving there. 🤯

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    FOMO is a weird thing. Sometimes I get in moods where it's like, I don't want to watch a movie from 10 years ago, it's not relevant and no one is interested in it anymore. Or music, or whatever. We're actually hardwired to go along with the crowd, to want to be part of the bigger crowd, etc. So cheers to all you who chose this less-trodden path, or just got banned enough times on Reddit to take the hint 🍻

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago*

    I'd rather take 38k active monthly users than the maybe 20 non-bots and 3 billion bots on their landfill they call a garden.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't mind seeing Lemmy grow further, but I hope it never reaches the levels of current day Reddit.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    I don't want to see a single server grow to the size of Reddit. I wouldn't mind the network as a whole growing to that size, though.

    I suspect that if the lemmy side of the fediverse did grow to the size of Reddit we would probably see a lot more fragmentation than we currently have.There'd be upsides and downsides to that.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago

    Centralised platforms trying to be all things to all users are a terrible idea.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Drives me nuts with games too. Some games NEED a huge userbase for balance and ELO and whatnot, but it's always wild to see a solo or team-based PvE game billed as "dead" because it has only 5k concurrent players.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If it is a skill based PvP game it needs a constant inflow of new users or people that are just permanent bronze and happy with that. It's considered "dead" by those players that have peaked at gold or platinum and angry at a team mate that they lost a game

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe its just my opinion but I personally wouldn't reccomend piefed until they get a bit more stable, they have a few more pressing issues rn than users

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    What issues are there now? It's been very stable for me for a while now.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The development style just feels like they're trying to add all the features of Reddit before they even finished with basic moderation or even just one single app that uses any of the features, it just makes it feel unpolished

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    hard not to read this as misogyny...

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