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[–] 91 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This guy literally had part of his brain eaten by worms.

That should eternally preclude you from giving health advice.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hey so, is this a normal thing in meta analyses ?

    We identified 46 studies for inclusion in our analysis. Of these, 27 studies reported positive associations (significant links to NDDs), 9 showed null associations (no significant link), and 4 indicated negative associations (protective effects).

    27+9+4 is 40 I think ? What happened to the 6 other papers ? I'm always confused by the whole "we ignored half of the studies and we won't tell you why", if they can also ignore some of the 46 studies they selected, what does the 46 number mean ?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They just ditched the studies they didn't like.

    https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2025/mount-sinai-study-supports-evidence-that-prenatal-acetaminophen-use-may-be-linked-to-increased-risk-of-autism-and-adhd

    “Our findings show that higher-quality studies are more likely to show a link between prenatal acetaminophen exposure and increased risks of autism and ADHD,”

    The study was funded by the agencies RFK Jr heads. He said this spring that he would have an answer in September, which coincidentally is the month after this study that he wanted came out.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But that's ok, he realized this when being high on heroine.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Forgot brain worms.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Kenvue lawyers right now 🫡😂🤣🤑🥳

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Breaking news

    Random person (me) links Republican Party of the USA to idiocy!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Sighance more like

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Autism was discovered 40 years before Tylenol was invented...

    Autism existed before the drugs/things we think created it?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Copy and pasting from my other reply to this claim:

    Please don’t continue to share this “fact.” I know it sounds like a really good gotcha, but it’s not. Tylenol is just a brand name producer of the drug acetominophen, known in most of the rest of the world as paracetomol. It’s been around since at least 1878, and possibly earlier (there are claims it was produced in 1852). Autism was first described by Leo Kanner in 1943. Obviously, anyone sane knows that it’s been around a lot longer than that, probably as long as humans have been humans, but the people you’re trying to reach with this claim are obviously going to assert that it first appeared around the same time that it was first identified, or, at the very least, that it’s appearance likely aligns with the invention of paracetomol.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Adding to that: "links to" doesn't mean "is exclusively caused by".

    That gotcha would only work if that was the claim.

    So the argument reads a little like "People died before the Ford Model T entered the market, so obviously deaths aren't caused by cars running over pedestrians."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, they could just as easily pivot to "Well, sure, autism was around before that, but it didn't happen nearly as often." Kind of like cancer and modern carcinogens. It's just a foolish line of argument that makes us look stupid.

    And it's completely unnecessary. The evidence that autism is genetic is overwhelming. Anyone who is going to listen to facts already has the facts right there, and anyone else isn't worth trying to convince.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Yeah, they could just as easily pivot to “Well, sure, autism was around before that, but it didn’t happen nearly as often.”

    In fact, that was their actual argument. This is what Trump said:

    First, effective immediately, the FDA will be notifying physicians that the use of, well, let’s see how we say that. Acetaminophen. Acetaminophen. Is that okay? Which is basically, commonly known as Tylenol. Can be associated with a very increased risk of autism. So taking Tylenol is not good. I’ll say it, it’s not good.

    Within the rest of the rest of the speech you can clearly see where Trump goes off script and does his regular monkey-in-a-suit act, and he says stupid shit as always, but that up there is the core claim: "Can be associated with a very increased level of autism."

    That's a claim that's totally not affected by the "but autism existed before Tylenol" argument.

    The whole argument is a strawman, nothing else. And that's really infuriating because there are ample real arguments for this point. It's not hard to argue that Tylenol has no link to Autism. But making up a strawman argument and butchering to even tear that strawman down is ridiculous.

    Edit: It makes me think that this meme wasn't actually created by anyone who is against Trump. It feels so incredibly dumb and easy to disprove that it probably was created by a magat to make fun of everyone who doesn't worship Trump.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago (14 children)
  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yes and there are also "real studies" that say smoking is healthy.

    Just because there's words formatted a certain way in a PDF doesn't mean it has any merit.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I added it in to my previous response but I figure I'll just do it as a reply. The study was submitted in May so he very well may have seen it come up in his autism alerts. I'm sure he has some kind of autism study feed.

    Oh boy, I sure do love getting all of my comments downvoted by you cunts just because you don't like what I had to say. That sure proves me wrong...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can you elaborate on the first paragraph? How is that significant? It seems to agree with what I said.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My mistake I thought it was a reply in the other comment thread.

    The thing that makes it possibly a good study is that it was published in a good journal from a good school. It's not Harry Wang's Big Book of Science. You expect poorly done research in pay to play journals, but less so in biomedcentral.

    I'm still mildly skeptical and have seen people make the claim that it was more likely the age of the mother which has been legitimately associated with higher risks of autism. It makes sense. But having now seen that they're pushing this shit super hard I'm immediately on guard.

    I hadn't seen the Trump TV announcement of this dumb shit. This is something worthy of further study not a doctor's recommendation.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The study is fine. But its ethos is literally just correlation. The abstract:

    Acetaminophen is the most commonly used over-the-counter pain and fever medication taken during pregnancy, with > 50% of pregnant women using acetaminophen worldwide. Numerous well-designed studies have indicated that pregnant mothers exposed to acetaminophen have children diagnosed with neurodevelopmental disorders (NDDs), including autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), at higher rates than children of pregnant mothers who were not exposed to acetaminophen.

    This has zero cause effect relationship. Its literally the same issue with the vaccine correlation: medical care access.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    A real study funded by the agencies headed by RFK Jr finding vague correlation with taking pain medications worded consistently as 'may cause' and with caveats that women should consult their doctor.

    This past spring RFK Jr said he would have an answer in September because he set up this study to conclude in August. This is absolute bullshit.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Easy to state but do you have any proof of the connection? I've seen refutations of the study claiming the connection was merely the previously understood connection between the age of the mother and autism risk, but that's just random internet comments.

    What you're claiming is something much more sinister than a mere mistake.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I already mentioned the funding and how it conveniently has findings that are aligned with the answer that RFK Jr wanted in the time frame he was looking for. It doesn't even state causation, just a vague correlation which RFK Jr is exaggerating.

    What other evidence do you want?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Some kind of connection between the authors of the study and RFK Jr. Lots of studies get lots of funding from lots of different places so the source of the funding is not exactly a smoking gun.

    It was submitted in May so he may have been tipped off about it because that's kind of his special autistic focus ironically.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It was submitted in May so he may have been tipped off about it because that's kind of his special autistic focus ironically.

    Submitted the month after he announced he would have an answer in September.

    RFK Jr said he wouldn't undermine vaccines during his confirmation hearing and then did exactly that ever since. He lies about everything.

    Why are you still giving these lying fucks any benefit of the doubt?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Easy to state but do you have any proof of the connection?

    How about the results section in abstract of the paper, which mentions "association" six times and "cause" zero times.

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Raw milk is way tastier though. The clearest memory I have from visiting the UK at 9 y/o was the milk from the milk rounds being unreasonably delicious. Like so much better i wasn't sure it was milk.

    It's obviously not the right choice to fulfill the nations milk needs, that's a public health disaster. But I wish it was available in limited, risk-minimized contexts like in most of Europe.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    the milk from the milk rounds

    This wasn’t raw milk. It was still pasteurised. Just not homogenised.

    Homogenisation mixes the fat in the milk more effectively so you don’t get separation in the milk which increases its shelf life. Your memories of the tasty milk were probably the creamy part at the top of unshaken pasteurised but not homogenised milk.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ah, could be. There's non-homogenized milk that we get sometimes here but it's nowhere as good as I remember that UK milk being. Maybe it's just distant childhood memories being incorrect.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Agreed people shouldn’t be drinking it, pasteurization makes it safe for everyone’s immune system. Especially important considering the state of most factory farms.

    BUT you’re probably remembering right. I’ve had milk straight from the cow (and cream and buttermilk separated from a just milked cow, as well as butter churned from said cream). Buttermilk especially tastes like quite different from the stuff in the grocery store.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Also, milk just tastes different depending on the cows, and how they're raised and fed. Most likely what you're noticing there is the difference between grass-fed and corn-fed. Cows aren't naturally adapted to eat corn; they grow better and healthier on grass, which is how they're raised in the UK. Corn-feeding is a primarily North American practice because corn can be sold at below the cost of production in the US thanks to government subsidies in place since the Great Depression.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Tylenol was invented after autism was discovered. This is fucking stupid.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Please don't continue to share this "fact." I know it sounds like a really good gotcha, but it's not. Tylenol is just a brand name producer of the drug acetominophen, known in most of the rest of the world as paracetomol. It's been around since at least 1878, and possibly earlier (there are claims it was produced in 1852). Autism was first described by Leo Kanner in 1943. Obviously, anyone sane knows that it's been around a lot longer than that, probably as long as humans have been humans, but the people you're trying to reach with this claim are obviously going to assert that it first appeared around the same time that it was first identified, or, at the very least, that it's appearance likely aligns with the invention of paracetomol.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Quit being dumb. It didn't enter widespread usage until the 1950s.

    People from the 1800s and late 1900s had heroine cough syrup and cocaine Coca Cola. Paracetamol and phenacetin had extremely limited usage ... something about destroying body organs.

    Bots are gonna bot.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Adding to that what @Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works said: “links to” doesn’t mean “is exclusively caused by”.

    That gotcha would only work if that was the claim.

    So the argument reads a little like “People died before the Ford Model T entered the market, so obviously deaths aren’t caused by cars running over pedestrians.”

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  • [+] -12 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    People died already 10 000 years ago.

    The Ford Model T was released in 1908.

    Anyone trying to tell you that being run over by a car kills people is entirely full of crap.


    There's real arguments that can be used. No need to publish weak crap that's easily refuted.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Tylenol is a brand name for paracetomol (AKA acetominophen). It was first created in either 1878 or 1852 depending on which claims you believe about its discovery.

    The claim that autism was differentiated from schizophrenia in 1911 is unsourced, and seems suspect given that Leo Kanner first described autism in 1943, but even if we accept it as true, it still puts the discovery of autism after the discovery of paracetomol.

    RFK Jr is full of crap, and it doesn't matter when autism was discovered, because it's genetic and has probably been around as long as humans have, but trying to pull a gotcha like this is just going to make you look stupid.

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