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My husband just insisted my daughter and I remember a code word in case I'm ever confronted by his clone or a cyborg doppelganger and I'm not sure which is the real him and which is the imposter. Some families make sure they have a fire escape plan but not us

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[–] 118 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This might actually be a decent idea, especially with scammers using AI-assisted voice changes.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yep, this very common in Japan, especially for elder people and it is recommended to have said word or phrase.

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  • [–] 66 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Not the worst idea when the most likely scenario is a phone call from a scammer using an AI voice clone to demand random money.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    exactly this. Mother in law got one of those calls not long ago.

    Having a codeword sounds stupid now, but might be normal in a few years.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    With AI deep fakes being used for ransoms, this actually isn't a terrible idea.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    Sounds like something a clone would do immediately after assuming the life of the original, in case the original ever escapes and tries to reclaim their life.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago

    What makes you so certain that it was your husband and not a clone or doppelganger trying to confuse and distract you while setting fire in the house?

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Having code words is good opsec. We had one as kids decades ago in case a stranger tried to pick us up.

    "Your mommy is in the hospital and she sent me to get you."

    "What's the code word?" No code word, find someone in a uniform or with a name tag.

    This is kinda like the whole "What would you do to prepare for a zombie apocalypse?" The answer is the same for a lot of emergency and disaster prep but more fun.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is the first thing I'd ask my family to do if I was already the doppelganger.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I have heard this in context of a kidnapping and asking a question only you will know the answer too.

    The best solution to tell an imposter is by talking about a shared memory but changing some obvious details. You proof you are you by knowing the specific memory, they proof who they are by calling out the wrong detail.

    Of course in context of a full clone, they would also have your memory and no amount of planning will help.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I always worried about something like that because I have a terrible memory

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    But do you have a code word you never told anyone that you can use to recognise yourself from the future or from a parallel universe?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    easy, just say "what if the doppelganger sets fire to the house? we need a plan for that"

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Is a fire something you need to plan for? "Get out" feels good enough for me.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    Yes you do need to be prepared. If you're inside a fire and even if it just started a few minutes ago, the ashes and black smoke will get so thick you will barely see an arm's length in front of you, and there will be complete opacity 2 meters in front of you. Also people can panick and make bad decisions, I've seen two people freaking out over a fire extinguisher "not working" because they were too scared to think straight. I've had to show them to slow down, read the instructions on the sticker, follow the steps and then empty the can. Fire drills and preparation will probably save your life if you're ever in a fire, and it may even help you save other people's lives.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    As @takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr said you want plans for how to get anyone vulnerable out, how to secure valuables (if, and only if, safely possible), where to meet (really important for kids, especially as you may have been incapacitated). But you should also know things like; how to shut off the gas (again, only if safe), where the door keys are so you can get out if they're locked at night, which upstairs windows you can jump from if the stairs are blocked and which rooms have solid walls and door to act as a refuge if all else fails. CPR training could save a family member's life, as could basic fire escape or rescue training.

    Basically, imagine you wake up at 3am to the sound of your smoke alarms, the fire is already well developed and smoke is starting to fill the house. What do you need to know, or have planned, to get you and your family to safety in the next few minutes?

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  • Securing persons (young children, elderly, or disabled people), pets, or critical objects (health related stuff, maybe a box with important papers or family belongings) can require a bit of planning. Also good to know where to head to once you're out, especially for kids if fire happens when they're alone. But yeah, for most people, "get out" is probably enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    My neighbors house caught fire and she got out but insisted on spraying the house down with the hose, she got trapped in a corner of her backyard and couldn't get past the fire.

    we were trying to get a ladder to get her over the fence but luckily the firefighters arrived and are much better at rescue and quickly tore down some fence panels to get her through

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Sounds like something a cyborg doppelganger would try to do

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What if that "husband" was already an impersonation of the real husband, so next time they meet both of them they can claim they are the real husband and tell the code word as proof?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I like that she didn't share the word. Smart.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Everyone has the same code word. It's Gunter

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I just installed GnuPG on my family members and have them cryptographically verify their identity

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reading my public key out loud before every sentence can be tiring, but it’s the only way we can be safe!

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm assuming the clone has your memory including the code, otherwise you can just tell a shared old memory

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You do not seem to understand how cloning works. Tbf: neither does OOP's husband

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    That is exactly what a doppelganger would propose, you already lost.

    Now your real husband will never be able to reach to you again.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When I was in a very young grade at school, an announcement came over the speakers. It was something intentionally meaningless, like “just a reminder that so and so will be presenting tomorrow”.

    My teacher jumped up and closed the window shutters. We were all counted and escorted to the gymnasium. Turns out that message was a coded code silver kind of thing and there were people with guns on the school grounds.

    Nobody was harmed; not students nor teachers, nor gun-people, nor police. There were contingency plans in place and practiced and they worked marvellously. I look back and find it kind of neat.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    the code may also be useful in more realistic current near dystopia scenarios of receiving a phone call that appears to be from family member. AI/Live voice impersonation is current tech.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I mean, a fire escape plan? "Go outside, away from the fire." I feel like any kid capable of remembering a code word could figure that one out on their own.

    Now, the threat of doppelgangers? That's something a family isn't going to be ready for. Because they're too busy wasting time with fire escape plans. This is smart.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    legitimately a good idea to have a code word with your kids so theu can tell an adult you have sent for them from a kidnapper.

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  • Okay I'm high and that took a second to parse. Like I knew what you meant but grammatically tracing everything back, part of my brain kept saying "yes, children, these are the adults we prearranged to pick you up while we are at the kidnappers please go with them until we are back from dinner" which, like depending on your job could have a whole other kind of meaning

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    That actually sounds like a great way to spice up real safety planning to keep them interested.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    The correct response is for the daughter and wife to agree on a second code word when the husband is being a pain, and insist that he's not real.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It makes sense, never know when somebody is going to try to impersonate you for any reason. That's why I told all my friends and family that the best way to know I'm the real me is if I say my codeword "chariots".

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Honestly given the rise of generative audio being able to mimic someone at phone call quality from a small training set it's not unreasonable. That's the real clone or doppelganger to be fearful of.

    I meant to bring this up at Christmas last year when we were all together but I'm going to for sure this year.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That reminds me, I should really get around to telling my family my deactivation code, in case I ever go haywire or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm pretty sure Colt and Glock have backdoor root passwords just in case that ever does happen.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Forward thinking folks, eh

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When I was a teenager, like 20 years ago, a friend's messenger account got hacked. Some stranger was using her account to talk to her friends. It creeped us both out.

    After that, we decided to use a code phrase to confirm our identities to each other. I haven't thought about this in such a long time, but I can still remember what it was. No, I'm not going to say it, but I will say that it was the name of a short-lived garage band whose members we were both friends with.

    I think I'm gonna have to shoot her a text with half the phrase and see if she still remembers the rest.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Shoot them both...no more clone/doppelganger for anyone else to deal with.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My go to is "+5 Chaos Zweihander". No one will think of that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yes but is he gonna doppelBangHer?

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