[–] -2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

You are focusing on the minority of homophobes who are gay instead of the majority who are not, that is placing the blame on gay people.

Simple as, keep up the bad faith accusations if it makes you feel better though.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago

    Gays for Trump might not have been individually popular, but there was a lot more "just because we're gay doesn't mean we're liberal!" type shit going around at the time. Remember, Trump ran as the first president to support gay marriage, conservative LGBTQ was trying to be a thing. Yeah it might not be responsible for all of them, but it surely contributed. I'm not dismissing evidence, I'm looking at the context of times that would explain why the gayest RNC ever would cause a Grindr spike.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    One instance from 10 years ago, that is pretty funny though

    At the RNC, Trump vowed to protect the LGBTQ community against “foreign” threats, and billionaire Peter Thiel gave a speech in which he said he was “proud to be gay.” This has led some to call the 2016 Republican National Convention the most “gay friendly” RNC ever; Grindr’s findings show that may have been true in more than one way.

    It also appears to be an outlier as far as Republican conventions go. Remember this is also back when there was the whole "Gays for Trump" thing, so certainly some of those numbers come from publicly gay useful idiots rather than repressed homophobes. Since such conservative LGBTQ groups have fallen in popularity, and the GOP has been much less friendly towards them, I think it's fair to say "RNC Grindr spikes" are more anomalous than periodic.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago

    You’re claiming that Republican Grindr jokes reinforce a narrative that only gay people hate gay people, and to that I say, respectfully: what the fuck lol

    How is that illogical? That is the narrative reinforced by seeing homophobes and thinking "they must be gay." If they hate gay people -> they are gay people -> homophobia is by gay people.

    I don't think anyone in significant numbers believes the narrative, but that's the narrative the behavior supports. Unless it's an insult and just "haha ur gay," which while ironic and pointed at a deserving target, is still using gay as an insult.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It is not using homosexuality as an insult. It’s using hypocrisy as an insult.

    The hypocrisy is based on allegedly being homosexual, which is unproven and based on "well homophobes must be gay" which is homophobic.

    No one said that.

    That's the behavior of calling every homophobe gay, they don't need to say it.

    yet many of those Republican homophobes are actually homosexual

    You say that based on what?

    as evidenced by various high-profile instances

    Yes, a few high profile instances. I don't think they happen in nearly enough numbers to outweigh the straight homophobes who have the vast numerical advantage.

    as well as the multiple times that Grindr has crashed in the immediate vicinity of a Republican convention.

    Do you have an actual source for that? Because as far as I can tell it's a meme based on a website which takes user reports as evidence of an outage, which would be very susceptible to false reports because it's funny.

    Again – homosexual is fine, hypocrite is not

    Sure, but how about you actually wait until one of them is shown to be a hypocrite instead of pinning all the homophobes on homosexuals just so you can have a laugh?

    Think about it, Dallas is a huge liberal zone in Texas with a population of 1.33 million, Grindr and underlying network infrastructure can definitely take big loads. Even if every single person there for the convention was a raging hypocrite, do you really think that is enough to cause a complete outage? It's silly. The articles I see say they expected 20,000 people, and maybe another couple thousand were waiting in a line or something. Even if we assume each and every one is instantly hopping on the grind (which is a HUGE if), it would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the usual traffic of Grindr in Dallas.

    Attack Republicans for what they are (or are shamefully revealed to be), not what would be funny if true. That just gives actual straight homophobes an excuse ("I'm not homophobic because I'm definitely not gay") and spreads the narrative that homophobia is just something gay people do to themselves.

    It's not hypocrisy unless they're actually gay, and statistically it's unlikely to be the case for the majority of attendants.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That kinda applies to you more

    I explained why what I think is true, not just shouting WRONG at opinions I don't like as if that will rationalize it.

    It’s not like you’re even using the term ‘homophobia’ anywhere near correct. Bigoted, yes. But that’s different.

    A distinction without a difference. So you do agree it's bigoted towards homosexuals, then? Please elaborate on how I'm misusing homophobic though, I'm very interested. Maybe also explain how blaming homophobia on gay people isn't "bigoted towards homosexuals" as well.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Grindr really did crash in that area

    Source other than the same website cited every time which is based on user submissions? Because it's a meme and people are incentivized to file fake ones because it's funny.

    I’m literally pointing out the correlation of Grindr being down and then a large number of them leaving

    Is the correlation real, or does it just confirm the narrative you already believe because you are homophobic?

    and you somehow drew homophobic and anti-Semitic

    boy you really must have reading comprehension issues if you think that was what the quote meant. Please make sure your source for Grindr outages actually says what you think, you're priming me to believe that you're just gonna link the first result that confirms your biases.

    You need help when you have that bad of a victim complex

    Ahh yes, everyone calling out bigotry just has a victim complex, classic. Prove Grindr has actually gone down or be silent, troll.

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  • [+] -20 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    You don't have to buy it, it's a fact. Straight people possess the ability to be homophobic, do you deny that? If not, you must accept that by sheer volume, they outnumber any self-hating homophobe. If you do deny the ability of straight people to be homophobic, that is blaming homophobia in it's entirety on gay people (which is very homomphobic).

    If you're just doing the "haha calling the homophobe gay" bit, that's homophobic by using homosexuality as an insult.

    Ultimately it just comes down to that, if you see a homophobic person and immediately assume they are gay, that is homophobia. You are linking their bigotry to an alleged homosexuality. What other bigotries do you think someone must secretly be part of the group they hate?

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    Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585

    Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:

    Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.

    Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.

    I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:

    Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.

    Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.

    I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:

    It's not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.

    I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don't want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that's not the case in any of the communities I've been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.

    PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.

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