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[–] 157 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think blue states should bring in all in-house solutions to cut the middleman White House out of it. States rights!

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We did that with CARB and now the feds are trying to stop it after decades of other states signing on because it worked so well here in Cali.

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    • [–] 105 points 1 year ago

    Oooh, the second US civil war may still be on but not in the way we first thought.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The problem... or complication with this...

    Is that basically every part of WA and OR east of the Cascades will ... counter-seceede.

    Go look up the Greater Idaho project.

    There is, and has been for a while now, an effort to ... have the eastern counties of WA and OR leave their respective states and join Idaho.

    From a legal/constitutional perspective... this is completely unprecedented, as best I can tell this has never before happened in US history, states redrawing their own borders, via counties which largely actually have democratically voted to do so via popular referendums.

    Northern/Eastern CA + Southern OR will possibly form into something like the old attempts at the proposed state of 'Jackson'.

    There is an absolutely huge political polarization within all these states between urban and rural areas, roughly also by which side of the Cascades you are on.

    I've hastily cropped that image from this source:

    https://brilliantmaps.com/county-1992-v-2024/

    So... yeah... if the governors of WA OR and CA formally seceeded and formed Cascadia? Came 'too close' to functionally doing that?

    Well the rightwingers have an arguably legit legal counter move for that (or so they will argue, the whole point is different sides do not agree) and then basically the West Coast explodes into functionally a civil war of some kind, probably involving both partisan and 'official' state forces, and federal forces, roughly breaking apart along the Cascades, but it could easily be way more chaotic than that, depending on what say, forces at JBLM and Kitsap, and other major West Coast bases decide to do, as well as major city/regional/state police.

    Let me personally tell you that Eastern WA/OR and Idaho still very, very much remember Ruby Ridge, the militia movement never died, it just went dormant till Trump, and uh, skipping up to present day, is now basically being formally recruited into ICE... ICE now has more funding than the United States Marine Corps.

    Fucking yeehaw is what I very much fear would happen if either side makes significant moves toward anything resembling actual secession.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How many people do you think live in Oregon?

    The majority of Oregonians live in Portland metro area.

    A similar stat can be found regarding Seattle metro, and Washington has more blue cities than OR.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    So, for starters, I am describing people by where they live, not how many live where.

    Yes, of course, many more people live in major urban areas than other wise.

    But it is still true that by area, there are many areas in WA and OR that are very highly Republican... presumably you have noticed the dramatic cultural difference between two of such of those areas.

    Again, go actually look into the Greater Idaho project, a lot of these people are very serious about ... seceeding their counties from Dem dominant WA and OR state governments, to join ID's Rep dominant government.

    This is a concerted political campaign that has been going on for over a decade and has gotten quite a lot of popular support in those counties via county level referendums.

    .......

    Further... the other point I am making is that the red areas are often quite extreme in their affinity for firearms.

    It... does not take too many armed terrorists, militia cells, patriots, whatever you want to call them, to effectively terrorize or act as an insurgency in an area... especially if the official police are generally amenable to your movement... cops tend to be right wing authoritarians.

    If you have ever lived in Portland or Seattle, I am sure you have observed the regular flooding in of non locals, from environs, whenever some kind major sport event, or public event occurs, or even just generally during work hours, good times to go shopping or clubbing or w/e.

    Now just imagine that including some domestic terrorists.

    ........

    This almost certainly would not play out as simply as the red and blue areas just... becoming their own nation states and then raising their own formal militaries to do battle with each other, where the red areas would lose simply by having less people or less industrial base.

    No, civil wars, balkanization, sectarian violence, insurgency, occupation... is way way way more complicated than that.

    Maybe go read up on how that went/is going in Iraq and Afghanistan or Syria or Ukraine... for some recently case studies on how complicated this can get.

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    • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I did not have "Civil War over vaccines" on my apocalypse bingo card.

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    • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (14 children)

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    They should probably just join back up with Old Mexico and take Colorado too so they are left out cold

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As much as I would love Colorado to depart the insanity, it will never happen. A ton of the nuclear ICBMs are here and it’s not like Washington will give that up.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Colorado has NORAD but that’s not where many of the silos are.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Throw in British Columbia and Alaska while you're at it. Just take the entire west cost of North America.

    And what should be the east coast, since if the international date line didn't do that weird curve at the end of the Aleutians, Alaska would be the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state.

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    • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Meanwhile Florida has started to form toddler death Voltron by announcing they're removing all vaccination requirements from schools.

    I fully expect there to be a southern collation of iron lungs soon.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    The worst thing about Toddler Death Voltron is: it is sentient and wants to no longer exist but they refuse to let it die because it hasn't been born yet.

    Good luck writing THAT into your next screenplay MAGA Universe Doctor Strange

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    • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Cascadia Now!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think a lighter blue or cyan at the top would make the tree more visible and better match the sky

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    • [–] 43 points 1 year ago

    Free Cascadia!

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    [–] 72 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Isn’t that Cascadia?

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Usually, when people talk about Cascadia as a country, they include British Columbia.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    God we have trouble enough with Toronto thinking it's the centre of the world and ignoring BC. We'd have zero influence in Cascadia.

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    • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    hella stoked for the Pacific States of America.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If those 3 leave the union, I think the country's more or less done for.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm sure Canada could find a use for a few more provinces....

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Probably make us territories to start with full province status later. Joining Canada as provinces would be much more like Canada becoming the outer Pacific states. California alone has nearly the same population as the entirety of Canada.

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    • [+] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    This looks scarily like a map from a dystopian movie. WSA - Western States of America.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Said it before and I'll say it again: if Cascadia ever looks like it's gonna become a thing I'll drive myself there and be homeless rather than live in the US with a weakened and even more right wing Senate and house.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Hey if you ever make it to Cali, I'm sure I can talk with some of my contacts to get you a place. Gotta look out for the disadvantaged after all :)

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    • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    With Florida ditching vaccine requirements it looks like the East Coast/West Coast feud is going to pick back up again.

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    • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Good first step. We can and should do more.

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Shame Nevada turned more purple than blue last year else we could have joined them.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nevada joined the coalition back in 2020 during COVID when they had a Democrat governor. Now they have a republican governor who is mostly ineffectual at best and a Trump bootlicker at worst.

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    • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Just creating this division is proof RFK should resign. We knew he was an activaxxer and against science, but enforcing his personal opinion on the entire country is unforgivable. At-risk children, elderly, and others will die because of his bias...

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You get more national guard!

    You all get more national guard!

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    • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I love how many of us are so down for Cascadia. How do we get this in a vote?

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