Edit: of course this is satire. The power of the reading comprehension devil grows stronger every day 😢

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[–] 93 points 1 year ago (14 children)

hi European here!

what the fuck?

i'm here complaining how it's hard to walk to a big shopping mall or an ikea and you're out there without even a small grocery store around most corners? how do you lot do that? i'd seriously just starve to death if i couldn't get up, walk for 5min, and buy food for a whole meal (or a frozen pizza)

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In a way that can't really be described to Europeans. If you live in a suburban area, people think you're weird if you do anything other than use your car to get anywhere for any reason. Almost everywhere in the US is designed around the idea that you have a car and you use it every day.

    This is about my city:

    [full article]

    And it's absolutely true. Our buses are mostly useful for driving to a Park & Ride/Transit Center and then to work and back. That's about it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Oh yeah I can confirk Columbus is a fucking nightmare for bus transit. Its kinda bikable in some parts, and by that I mean possibly safer than Kyiv. But I'll say this about it, its definitely better than a lot of other places in America. I will never understand its resistance to light rail.

    There are parts of America that are reasonable. Cities like New York, D.C., and Seattle have people who can afford a car choosing not to own one. But then you've got places like Houston and most small cities where even Columbus looks walkable.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This does exist in major US cities, especially the older (by US standards) ones. I'm in San Francisco, in a "good" neighborhood, and restaurants, groceries, bars, and multiple forms of public transit are all a short walk away. This is very different in car centric suburbs/cities though.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The contrast between eg Manhattan and Los Angeles is wild. First time in LA I went out walking, looking for a restaurant. The footpath vanished and suddenly I was on the edge of what seemed like a freeway. Relatives in Santa Monica were horrified to learn that I had taken a bus from my hotel downtown to visit them (it was perfectly fine).

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I live in the EU but used to live in the US. In a nice part, too!

    I lived like 400m from a small store. Never drove once. Insanely dangerous to walk on such a busy road with no sidewalks, no crossings, etc.

    I walk a ton and bike ~80-100km/week now and don't think twice about it.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As an American I need you to understand that what you're saying sounds like a deep parody here. We have some major cities that are comfortable to live in without a car, but they're few and far between.

    To us a grocery store is a place you go to rather than swing by real quick. Its changing in some cities, and I've even lived in a suburb with walkable groceries, but its really not the norm.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    o_ o

    i have no words honestly. i wasn't even talking about cities, so far all European cities i've visited were walkable, i was thinking mid size towns and even villages. Basically if your place of residence can't be missed if you blink as you drive by there's probably at least a grocery store in it, and more frequent a general store with most basics you'd need in a day-to-day life next to groceries

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They all want to live in a detached single home (is that how you call it?), so not enough density for a store to make profit. Glad I don't live there tbh.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Single family home is the common term here.

    I'm starting to think I need one myself because Americans are generally such loud fucking wankers that you need both a detached house and yards to get any peace.

    Another thing is that the US is so car brained that nearly all attached homes (even townhouses in the city) have a garage somewhere. In my current condo, there's alleyways with garages that face each other. The amount of fucking noise coming from the garage alleys make it impossible to sleep for lighter sleepers.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Probably doesn't help that a lot is wood and panels, instead of brick or concrete. If you live near a busy street with insulated windows you can almost completely block out the noise nowadays (Although you're still stuck with the pollution and can't really open the windows), but technology can really counter some of those problems. But i wouldn't fight the system on my own, so I probably would do the same in your position.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This has clearly got to be satire, but the issue with "walkable communities" is the zoning. You need commerce close to those houses - a coffee shop, a bakery, small supermarket, dry cleaner, small doctor's office, a couple of restaurants, etc.

    Not a huge strip of stores, just a few every other block.

    Ditch the school buses, and instead create actual bus routes that the kids, but also everyone else, can hop on and off to get around.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I presume US schools have to buy/rent busses and pay bus drivers? Specifically to drive kids to/from school?
    Instead of the council (or whatever) subsidising routes that connect new builds to schools, and giving under 16s free bus travel.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Yes, in the smaller cities and towns where things tend to be more spread out. The is not reliable public transportation.

    Big cities like NYC and LA don't normally bus children to school. They are usually close to the school and can walk or take public transit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Very mixed. Just for my kids ….

    • walked to elementary school
    • car to middle school (because they classified it as walkable but it was very long plus had to cross two major streets)
    • car to high school - private school several towns away. School was Actually on the subway … the other direction
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    In my Australian town of half a million people (Canberra) our public transport is practically all buses, the same buses do the school services. We're pretty car based but still I have 3 commercial places within 20 minutes of walking, covering medical, groceries, two butchers, hairdressers, a few independent restaurants, a few chain takeaways. Our nearest pub closed years ago, taxes on alcohol got too high for people to meet a few times a week at a pub

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Every community is walkable if you walk enough.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Walking down highways is not advisable

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Heh. I used to commute by bicycle, about 5 miles each way, but a stretch of it was on an 8-lane interstate. Up a steep grade in the morning, maybe 4%, with semi trucks blowing by at 60 mph. Down the same slope in the evening, 40mph past cars backed up at the light at the end of the exit ramp.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Some are more deadly than others though

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Not just the danger of walking on a road where huge trucks drive at high speed, but also trying to avoid the roads by walking through fields or backyards and be shot by the property owner. In much of Europe there is some form of right to roam. Which means there are walking and perhaps biking trails throughout and the owner of any property has to allow people to walk there. They often even have to maintain the trail.

    Near where I live there is a beautiful trail through a couple of farms. And the farmers are very welcoming, fencing off what is dangerous, but keeping a nice trail to walk. They have signs explaining what kind of things they grow and what animals they keep. And warning never to feed the animals, as they get plenty of the right food and stuff like bread etc. usually isn't very good for them.

    The US is so different, where a person simply walking and enjoying their surroundings is seen as a dangerous invader which needs to be killed.

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  • [–] 160 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Not a strong example of walkable communities, it's quite pathetic in fact. Is this satire?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If it's not satire, America has apparently regressed to a median state of "mentally challenged".

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'm gonna have to keep saying this until it becomes common knowledge:

    Yes.

    You are basically correct, yes.

    ~30% of adult Americans are functionally illiterate, 2nd grade or worse reading/writing/vocabulary skills.

    The mean, average American has between a 5th and 6th grade literacy level.

    Despite the fact that almost 40% of US Adults have a Bachelor's Degree or better... less than 10% can critically compare and contrast multiple news articles about the same topic.

    We are very, very stupid, compared to any country with anywhere near the same GDP per capita.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    ~30% of Americans are functionality illiterate, 2nd grade or worse reading level.

    First of all, you're a little high. It's only ~21% of Americans who are functionally illiterate. Source

    Second, the thing people forget about that statistic is it's more or less in line with European countries like Germany, England. And we have better literacy rates than countries like Ireland, France, or Spain. Source

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    More walkable than some places. At least there is a side walk.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sidewalks and 15-25mph speed limits go a long way. Would be nice if there was little community stores for staples embedded in the neighborhood, but that's a foreign concept in American suburbs

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was just talking about this with my wife yesterday. It would be so nice if there was a small market in our suburban neighborhood

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It isn't there because of zoning practices separating living areas from businesses, which is often decided at the local level. Just gotta convince all your neighbors that they should be good with it too....

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    This is ... imo, not satire.

    It is simply an example of the opposite of a walkable neighborhood/community, literally framed at such an angle as to capture the ludicrousness of it.

    It is an illustration of the absurdity of car-brained NA city design.

    But it isn't exaggerated.

    These kinds of developments, neighborhoods, are absolutely everywhere in the US, they are very common.

    Even the use of 'walkable' may noy be satire: If there are sidewalks the whole way, well that would actually be uncommon, and many US policy makers and local city urban planners would actually, seriously, class this as walkable.

    I am guessing folks from more civilized parts of the world are reading this as satire, because this seems unfathomably, beyond belief stupid.

    ... Welcome to America, we hate it here.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Too many people dont recognize satire.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Only a couple of hours to get a snack! You'll burn off the calories as you get home!

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lol this has gotta be the satire

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    If this is satire, well just know that this still exists in the United States.. I've seen this nonsense. It's like they don't even bat an eye. Like car culture is so ingrained in our society that people look at us probably like we're freaks. And it affects how we operate as people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Nope. My city is both trying to make the old streetcar suburb neighborhoods walkable again while also annexing places that are miles of road with nothing but sterile housing along it.

    When develops buy some farmland, plunk a bunch of terribly build single family houses on it, sell it all off, and walk away the people who bought the houses find out that they're not in a municipality. They wanted a house and low taxes and their own yard, but there's no schools, fire dept, police, real water services, or road maintenance. So... They start begging to be annexed into the city to have the old downtown's taxes pay for their services.

    It looks good on paper to add land and population, plus shiny new roads don't cost much for about 15 years, which is longer than most city council members stay on the council. It's someone else's problem when the bills come due. Our city council have been pushovers for decades and just keep adding shithole tax burden neighborhoods to the city and it's all starting to die fast.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When I played The Sims 2, the first thing I'd do is create a small public lot where everyone could get all their needs met and buy food and a cell phone (since starting characters didn't have one). There were some oddities, since Sims get dirty quickly, I'd replace sinks with showers, and would make sure coffee was available everywhere.

    Eventually, sims could walk from their home, rather than investing in a garage and a car or taking a cab.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I'm not sure if this Mason guy is being serious or not

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    4 blocks is walkable distance. Build 20 houses then leave space for a park and a stores. It doesn't take a genius!

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Ah yes, they can walk to (checks notes) a gas station. Makes sense.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Satire and on point.

    Walking is alien to the vast majority of suburbanites and rural people. Walking ~6 miles round trip is a little over 2 hours at a modest pace.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And bring local pubs to America! Turn one of those shitty little McMansions into an Alehouse every eight square blocks and you've just solved drunk driving!

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    America is such a living hell that like I don't even want to participate in a revolution. It's just going to be a libturd or right-wing-hog revolution anyways. I really think a lot of my social ills, anxiety and depression just comes from the world I live in. I truly believe I am a product of my environment. I would leave the United States in a heartbeat with just the clothes on my back. The only time I've ever been happy is when I was able to commute on my bicycle. Ever since COVID, people have been driving like fucking jackasses. And now I live in an area that I can't ride my bike no more. I have never been so depressed in my whole fucking miserable life. Like a scientist, I want to see if it's me or my environment. I think America causes physical and mental illness. I sometimes think if it were up to me and I wasn't allowed to leave the United States, but I could die in a nuclear explosion and just completely wipe off USA from the face of the earth. I say to myself, I would push that fucking button for future generations, for the world. The world is capitalistic and the Yankee has a lot of leverage, a lot of places in Europe start adopting the Yankee way. It terrifies me, knowing that American culture like the disease that it is Spreads like a plus-filled rash. I am very unhappy. These feelings compile over time. And you're in such agony. You try to figure out why. And then eventually it clicks. America is a piece of shit.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    You can move out of America, try. I’m an American living abroad for decades now, and left with nearly zero cash and made a great life abroad.

    Plot twist though, everywhere still has problems, just different ones, and the US’ bullcrap affects everyone everywhere including you no matter where you are. (Have why I still care and pay attention to it).

    On the subject of this post, I live in a super walkable city, Shanghai, and do everything by bike (amazing, world class bike lanes), walking, subway, taxi, bus etc. and don’t have or need a car, it’s awesome.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    You'd think the people living in this 'walkable' neighbourhood would end up starving and being underweight ... when in fact they all just end up overweight with diabetes and heart disease

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Where are the bike lanes? Is this 1950?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Do American suburbs not have the concept of a "corner shop"? Somewhere you can grab some basics by walking there in 5 to 10 minutes?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    No because they’re quite literally illegal in most neighborhoods. This is starting to change but developers don’t want to do anything different or innovative so they’re still rolling out the same moronic plans we have for the past however many decades.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Most are gone. T a combination of being zoned out and people being willing to drive 30 minutes to a big box store instead of walking 5 to a corner market nuked most of them.

    I have a map of where they used to be in my city 100 years ago. (We do transit advocacy and need data on city history.) They used to be every 400m or so across the entire city, but now? Only a few remain.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes. We have these, they are generally at gas stations! But as I said earlier, I have never been more than a few blocks from a corner store. They are not groceries though. Beer, diet coke, the Wawa by me has also reasonable food and fancy coffee. But if you need flour and produce, no. It's only stuff you eat without cooking, ready to go things.

    The Walgreens does have more regular stuff, cat food and tape, shampoo, etc. So may be closer to what you are thinking of. There is one of those near me also, but one vs. 3 gas station shops.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I walked 3 miles today and carrying groceries in a plastic bag fucking exhausted me

    They have to go 7.4 miles just to buy an energy drink and come back

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    Ok. I live in a car centric city but never have lived where I couldn't walk to a corner store. Even out in the suburbs when I was a kid, we could walk to the store, the library too.

    Not to say there aren't house farms in the exurbs, ringed by impossibly wide and fast roads. But it's not so prevalent that you can't avoid it.

    I agree on zoning - there's an empty lot a couple houses down, and another on the river, wouldn't it be nice if I could build a pub so people didn't drive to the bar? But truly, there are 3 gas stations/corner stores within a mile of our house, 4 barbershops, restaurants, 2 laundromats, a tattoo shop, a pharmacy, all without crossing any road with more than 2 lanes and 25mph speed limit. We just got a taqueria too, it's so good! I just want a neighborhood bar because I hate hate driving somewhere for a drink!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    "Why does everyone want to live in pre-existing postwar suburbs? what is the magical x factor that makes people want them?? "

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I think it is a few things and mostly centered on raising a family. I also think its lame but these are the reasons as I see them.

    • They tend to have good schools

    • They have front/back yards for children to play

    • The buildings are physically separated so the chance you hear your neighbors is low

    • The neighborhoods are much more quite

    • The neighborhoods have low crime

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    ....

    Did i really need to add an /s? I thought the quotation marks were a clear enough indicator.

    People want older suburbs because they're planned to be walkable

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Asking a very regular question, getting an answer, and then being sassy and saying "that was sarcasm"

    Lol, your head just disappeared up your own ass.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You know you can just say "i misread that comment". You're allowed to do that.

    You don't have to abuse people. That's a choice you made

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I see no indication that they missed the sarcasm.

    I also think it's lame

    The "also" meaning that they believe you also think it's lame.

    Edit: Oh, I just realized the post-war suburbs are the walkable ones. That makes more sense.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I live in an apartment building. The liquor store is on the ground floor.

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