Can any scientists confirm this important fact?

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[–] 53 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, she knows I'm much better than her at opening wet food cans.

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  • [–] 193 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Eh, any time someone ascribes motivations to animals, my butthole spasms.

    The best that should be said is that the behaviors they exhibit are similar to the behaviors they exhibit for kittens or sometimes sick cats.

    Somehow, somebody decided that meant they think we're bad hunters, and the idea took off because it's funny, but you can't know what goes on inside the thoughts of other humans reliably, much less other animals.

    There's competing possibilities that the cats are showing off their kills to their social group, which is not only a common behavior when cats are young, but when they're mated, but you don't see people crowing about them bringing us food to get in our pants.

    Overall, cats seem to treat us like other cats. Not exactly the same, but with less distinction than other domesticated animals. Horses, as an example, have a much wider distinction, for equally unprovable reasons.

    My personal pet idea is that any sufficiently social animal, including humans, is instinctively going to seek out groups. They/we will negotiate the lack of a unifying language as best as possible, but with plenty of misunderstandings. It isn't so much that other animals see us as being the same as them. It's that they don't really have the need for the distinction; there's the in group (pride, pack, clan, whatever you want to call it) and out groups. When dealing with the family group, any animal will perform the same basic behaviors that their instincts tell them to.

    Domestication just means that a given type of animal has developed or been bred to have, a stronger instinct for social bonding than wild animals, to the degree that they'll accept other species as family easier.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I think the difference between cats and dogs is mainly tens of thousands of additional years of co-operative evolution. Cats are amazing but dogs you can almost assume can understand your emotions and care, that comes from the absurd length of time dogs and humans have been friends, it is a relationship that far predates other domestication by an immense length of time.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I’m pretty sure my cat understands that people are not cats. She hisses at any other cat she sees, but has no problem with people.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That is not a "scientific fact". That is just something somebody wrote for the likes.

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  • [–] 118 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    • Dogs: He give me a home, he protect and feed me, he must be a God
    • Cats: He give me a home, he protect and feed me, I must be a God
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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I have doubts that any credible and serious scientific discovery would involve this degree of anthropomorphism when it comes to assigning motivation to an animal's behavior.

    But let's say I ended up with a hecking case of brain worms who devoured the vast majority of my critical thinking skills and was able to completely ignore that first point, this still doesn't quite compute. If you've ever had cats and/or dogs in your life, then you are probably also aware that each one has its own unique personality and behaviors. Even if we assume that they have human-like rationalizations and emotional capacity, does it even make sense to believe that they all uniformly perceive people in the same uniform manner?

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's based on way too many reinterpretations of descriptions of studies into how cats communicate. Basically cats without human interaction will only meow as kittens communicating to their mom and their mother might meow back, and as they grow older they will learn to communicate with each other purely by body language and pheramones. Cats who interact with humans have learned that meowing at us like kittens gets our attention and is effective at communicating with us.

    Some have interpreted that to mean cats see us as really strange kittens, which of course gets miscommunicated by well meaning people repeating something they half-remember. It seems the reality is just cats have learned to adjust their behavior to better coexist with humans.

    Impressively, cats and their humans also will develop complex enough communication that humans can interpret the need of the cat purely from their meow

    At least this is my memory of research I half-remember reading about

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    I have come to accept the research telephone. Yeah, my understanding of the actual research is filtered through countless interlocking individuals and who knows how many narrative frameworks. The best I can do, without just getting a degree in the field, is to try to sample as many of these narrative interpretations as possible.

    When I see the point made that we believe science like a new religion, I cannot help but see the glimmer of truth in that interpretation. Ok, sure, fine by me. I trust the mechanism of passive-aggressive peer review more than any holy text or hierarchy of clergy.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    some have interpreted that to mean cats see us as really strange kittens,

    Not just the meowing. Bringing dead animals is also thought to be related to maternal instinct or some other social behaviour.

    I do agree though that people are running with this stuff further than the science has verified.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    On scientific level, dogs is a herd animal, which need a leader, cats don't know leaders, they a single hunters, they can create asociations with other cats if it have advantages to obtain food, leader or boss are not in their vocabulary. Human can be a good friend but not more, if not, he's only the tin opener. As said, cats are almost the exact opposite of dogs, even in their body lenguage.

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    Yes, but these are not hirarchical Groups like in Dogs or Wulfs, these are more interests groups to follow the smartest, which in felines are the females, most the oldest and experienced. But there are not organized structures. "You know where the food is, I'll follow you". Lions are the only cats with structured groups and a leader.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Am science. Can confirm.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Dogs have owners.
    Cats have staff.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    I'm not so sure my cats and dogs identify as different species tbh

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Then why do all cats I have licked back at acted so surprised and offended?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Because amongst cats grooming is a show of dominance.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    Dog brings you things because you asked, it's asking to play, or because they wanted to reward you.

    Cat brings you things because it thinks you fucking suck at hunting and feeding yourself.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago

    My dog gives me stuff all the time. At first I thought it meant he wanted to play with the object, but, nope. He's just spent the last fifteen minutes fighting the other dog away from it, running around the house with it in his mouth. Then when he's finally "won", he gently places it down right in front of me, sits and stares at my eyes, "This is very important to us dogs, but I love you the most, so you can have it."

    picks up slobbered cow hoof with a pinch "Thank you so much, buddy! How about I hold it, you can chew; we can share."

    He does do this with the other dog at times too, though. Usually when she's calmed down and snoozing, he'll bring a treat over to her, watch her accept it, and goes on his way.

    Gifting is his love language.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago

    My cat played fetch, just like a dog. Cats like playing.

    I hate it when people just assume stuff about cats, treat them that way, and then say stuff like 'cats are so aloof and they only like me because I feed them.'

    Meanwhile, my neighbour's cat loves my family even though we don't feed her, because we snuggle her. The person who feeds her just chucks her outside when she gets home. And then she comes to us for scritches.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My cat sometimes brings toys because it wants to play. That doesn't happen too often, though

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    my other cat is extremely ADHD and he brings me toys many times a day. he runs from the other side of the apartment screaming with the toy in his mouth and then sits next to me until i throw that toy. also if we're away for several hours he delivers toys on our bed.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    My cat definitely treats people differently than other cats. She's not territorial with people, but if she sees a cat outside she gets fussy.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Is that how it works? I've had dogs try breeding my leg, cats not so much. That anecdote presents an opposite case.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You clearly weren't interacting with horny cats.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    cats are just basically asexual outside of mating season afaik, whereas either wolves already don't have a specific mating seasons or dogs just inherited our lack of one..

    it's one of my favourite things about cats, you almost never have to worry about petting them in the wrong place (you know, provided the cat trusts you) nor do you have to worry about a red rocket sighting

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    All I'll say is cats meow at humans and they don't meow at other cats except their own mom. To me this instantly defeats this take.

    It's just a fun post though so I'm not judging.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have 2 cats. One of them meows at people, cats, dogs, birds, butterflies, toys...

    The other only meows when she's suffering horrible torture, like being picked up, or needing to scratch at the door the times without it opening.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Cats meow at other cats besides their mother too. It's a complete myth that they don't.

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  • I'm not backing the take itself, as other said it is widely extrapolation, but i don't really understand how the fact that cats meowing only/mostly at their mom and humans would invalidate the theory that humans and cats are the same category in cats' minds, since they use it for both cats and humans. It could indicate that they consider humans kinda like parents cats or just parents, maybe, but i don't see how it indicates that they could consider humans as non cats.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Dogs can't even tell if you launched the stick or not...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Dogs are the same. They think they are humans. The first tribe members that clearly know that they are not humans are apes and some monkeys.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It kinda blew my mind that dogs are more empathetic than chimps. Maybe they used autistic chimps in the thing I watched, still seems unbelievable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    i mean chimps just kinda generally suck, i'd wager if you look at bonobos instead they'll beat the dog in empathy.

    It's like chimps and bonobos are prototype humans, chimps are too violent and bonobos are too busy fucking each other at all times, and god finally got something more balanced when nudging humans into existence

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You shouldn't put the words "cats" and "think" in the same sentence.

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