When your air defense depends on a satellite service whose speed limit can apparently change without explanation, you’ve outsourced more than connectivity. SpaceX says nothing changed, Ukraine says its interceptors are being crippled. Either way, this is a spectacular advertisement for why critical military infrastructure needs independent alternatives.
post
Conservatives always side with evil. Always.
It is immoral to maintain a relationship with any conservative. They are truly, deeply evil and should be treated as such.
Good thing to generalize an entire group of people and try to de-humanize them. Now where have I seen that before?....
Oh, hey look everyone! Adolf Shitler is here to educate us on what decent people the party of fascism is. Go ahead and defend the pedophile protectors for us. I'm sure this will go exactly as you hoped.
Keep making things up, it makes your arguments more convincing :D
Nobody is giving an excuse for fascists except you. Trying to generalize and dehumanize an entire group of people is EXACTLY what fascists do. It's wild you can't see that lol.
I wonder what you'll make up and misrepresent next? Since you have no good points to actually make.
Wow. Elon is making an exellent argument on why nobody should rely on anything related to him or Starlink.
Nationalize it.
To Europe.
Europe is not a country.
Also having the EU run startlink for Ukraine seems like a terrible idea, support for Ukraine is wavering across several countries.
I'd rather a specific nation that has shown willing to support Ukraine in the long run to run it, Sweden, Finland and Norway are good candidates.
That kind of infrastructure is too massive for those countries. EU is the best bet. The EU will run it, but on behalf of its member states and a major stake holder is Poland. If Poland starts serving Russian interests all is lost anyway.
Nah, United Nations, in a group where historically defined countries do NOT have veto power. It's a global ressource, so it should be under global control.
How do you not understand the meaning of the word nationalize?
My gut reaction is that you're American and the classic ignorant and dumb so you think Europe is a country.
Starlink should be nationalized
A non American company really needs to hurry the fuck up and step up. Cause holy fuck I'm tired of my nations rich and stupid fucking everyone over.
Let some other nations rich and stupid do the fucking for a while.
Europe is committed to it's own sattelite network, but I think the first launch is scheduled for 2029. Pretty much the entire world is scrambling to get away from entanglements in US system, including payments separate from Visa / Mastercard and weaponry without a lick of US intellectual property.
Weirdly just before seeing this I saw a thread in reddit claiming Ukraine already replaced it. Looking back at it though it only links to a YouTube video so it's probably nonsense.
You can't just materialise that sort of satellite network in a few years. It's a stupid amount of satellites which means a stupid amount of work and money. And when it's many countries working together instead of a private company in cahoots with the government of one of the richest countries in the world it takes a lot more time.
Just being realistic here, I deeply want it to happen right fucking now but that just can't be.
Maybe outsourcing national defense was a bad idea and the US should seize Starshield from Space Karen
Technically the US government does retain legal control over Starshield. Whether or not they have material control is unclear
Of course they have material control. Musk doesn't have a private army. Unfortunately the gov't is working for and with Musk.
Those aren't "peace" talks. They are temporary limited capitulation talks.
I am not sure about the "temporary" and "limited" though. Also, it is not just about Ukraine. The Russian regime obviously wants to talk about splitting up entire Europe between itself and the US, without anyone from the EU at the table, obviously.
Exactly, I think we are in agreement here - a truce handing Crimea, Donbas, and Luhansk to Russia as their newly undisputed territories would most certainly not create a political atmosphere stopping any future Russian actions over territories in Moldova, Georgia, Estonia and even into Latvia, Lithuania & Poland.
If one was trying to pretend that Russia were in charge here, while not being too overt about it... How would they do this differently?
It's important to remember the baseline while the zone is flooded.
Watch this be because Starshield is reliant on Microsoft systems…
another reason on why we should not trust and rely on big tech and should restrict their power.
This is why stuff like this should not be privately controlled and people and companies with more money and power than whole nations. It's wrong and not supposed to allow this with laws against monopolies, but failed again and the rich do what they want.
Sure would be nice if we held Elon accountable for his war crime. But that’s crazy talk…
There's other providers. ViaSat is one. Amazon Leo is another. So this is being announced as a message to Musk/Trump/Putin. But I don't know, perhaps Trump has organized competitors be turned lff, or forbidden them?
I've seen Eutelsat mentioned as a European competitor, wiki says they mostly handle TV transmissions but "also serve [..] mobile communications, Internet backbone connectivity and broadband access for terrestrial, maritime and in-flight applications".
I'm not sure why they wouldn't be able to provide Ukraine what they need, I don't know if they are at the same technical level as starlink or not. That wiki page also says "As of March 2025, the company stated that it offers the same capacities as Starlink in Europe. However the operation of Eutelsat terminals is many times more expensive than that of Starlink."
Elon Musk should be held criminally liable for every Ukrainian death that happens from russian strikes while starshield is limiting their rates.
The sooner Europe gets its own Musk-free version of Starshield, the better

all 15 comments