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Ukraine says it can’t stop Russian strikes because Starshield is limited again. Report: Ukraine suspects speeds limits are intended to help Russia in peace talks. (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 5 points 9 hours ago

Elon Musk should be held criminally liable for every Ukrainian death that happens from russian strikes while starshield is limiting their rates.

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    [–] 1 point 10 hours ago

    They should consider striking Elon.

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    [–] 131 points 1 day ago (13 children)

    Wow. Elon is making an exellent argument on why nobody should rely on anything related to him or Starlink.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    Nationalize it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    To Europe.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Europe is not a country.

    Also having the EU run startlink for Ukraine seems like a terrible idea, support for Ukraine is wavering across several countries.

    I'd rather a specific nation that has shown willing to support Ukraine in the long run to run it, Sweden, Finland and Norway are good candidates.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

    That kind of infrastructure is too massive for those countries. EU is the best bet. The EU will run it, but on behalf of its member states and a major stake holder is Poland. If Poland starts serving Russian interests all is lost anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago (1 child)

    How do you not understand the meaning of the word nationalize?

    My gut reaction is that you're American and the classic ignorant and dumb so you think Europe is a country.

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    • [–] 39 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    A non American company really needs to hurry the fuck up and step up. Cause holy fuck I'm tired of my nations rich and stupid fucking everyone over.

    Let some other nations rich and stupid do the fucking for a while.

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  • [–] 13 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    Europe is committed to it's own sattelite network, but I think the first launch is scheduled for 2029. Pretty much the entire world is scrambling to get away from entanglements in US system, including payments separate from Visa / Mastercard and weaponry without a lick of US intellectual property.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago*

    You can't just materialise that sort of satellite network in a few years. It's a stupid amount of satellites which means a stupid amount of work and money. And when it's many countries working together instead of a private company in cahoots with the government of one of the richest countries in the world it takes a lot more time.
    Just being realistic here, I deeply want it to happen right fucking now but that just can't be.

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    • [–] 28 points 1 day ago

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    [–] 28 points 1 day ago

    We need non-US controlled alternatives.

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    [–] 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Maybe outsourcing national defense was a bad idea and the US should seize Starshield from Space Karen

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  • [–] 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    Technically the US government does retain legal control over Starshield. Whether or not they have material control is unclear

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  • [–] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Of course they have material control. Musk doesn't have a private army. Unfortunately the gov't is working for and with Musk.

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  • [–] 3 points 16 hours ago*

    Exactly. The Trump administration is fully responsible for this, legally and morally. And Republicans in Congress are also fully responsible, for failing to impeach Trump and Hegseth over this.

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    • [–] 17 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

    Those aren't "peace" talks. They are temporary limited capitulation talks.

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  • [–] 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

    I am not sure about the "temporary" and "limited" though. Also, it is not just about Ukraine. The Russian regime obviously wants to talk about splitting up entire Europe between itself and the US, without anyone from the EU at the table, obviously.

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Exactly, I think we are in agreement here - a truce handing Crimea, Donbas, and Luhansk to Russia as their newly undisputed territories would most certainly not create a political atmosphere stopping any future Russian actions over territories in Moldova, Georgia, Estonia and even into Latvia, Lithuania & Poland.

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    • [–] 14 points 1 day ago

    If one was trying to pretend that Russia were in charge here, while not being too overt about it... How would they do this differently?

    It's important to remember the baseline while the zone is flooded.

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    [–] 8 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Watch this be because Starshield is reliant on Microsoft systems…

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    • [–] 17 points 23 hours ago

    another reason on why we should not trust and rely on big tech and should restrict their power.

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    [–] 7 points 14 hours ago*

    This is why stuff like this should not be privately controlled and people and companies with more money and power than whole nations. It's wrong and not supposed to allow this with laws against monopolies, but failed again and the rich do what they want.

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    [–] 6 points 13 hours ago

    sure would be a shame if a wild Luigi appeared.

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    [–] 5 points 16 hours ago

    Sure would be nice if we held Elon accountable for his war crime. But that’s crazy talk…

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    [–] 2 points 16 hours ago* (1 child)

    There's other providers. ViaSat is one. Amazon Leo is another. So this is being announced as a message to Musk/Trump/Putin. But I don't know, perhaps Trump has organized competitors be turned lff, or forbidden them?

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  • [–] 1 point 15 hours ago

    I've seen Eutelsat mentioned as a European competitor, wiki says they mostly handle TV transmissions but "also serve [..] mobile communications, Internet backbone connectivity and broadband access for terrestrial, maritime and in-flight applications".

    I'm not sure why they wouldn't be able to provide Ukraine what they need, I don't know if they are at the same technical level as starlink or not. That wiki page also says "As of March 2025, the company stated that it offers the same capacities as Starlink in Europe. However the operation of Eutelsat terminals is many times more expensive than that of Starlink."

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    [–] [S] 39 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    When your air defense depends on a satellite service whose speed limit can apparently change without explanation, you’ve outsourced more than connectivity. SpaceX says nothing changed, Ukraine says its interceptors are being crippled. Either way, this is a spectacular advertisement for why critical military infrastructure needs independent alternatives.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    It's more a look at how monopolies shouldn't exist. No other company is even close to SpaceX when it comes to putting satellites into orbit. By a huge margin. One company shouldn't be able to turn off internet to an entire group.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 1 day ago

    Exactly. The problem isn’t simply that SpaceX has enormous market power. It’s that governments allowed critical infrastructure to become dependent on a single private company. When one CEO can potentially influence military operations by changing service conditions, that’s no longer just a competition issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    I hate Musk. I follow Ukraine closely, donate, did my part to hold the flag on reddit place. Your argument is flawed.

    So SpaceX should be punished for innovating where others failed? They invested billions developing technology nobody else can deliver, even after copying. I can hate the man and admire the progress. If Musk is preventing competition, hold him accountable. But success isn’t a monopoly violation. That’s stupid.

    Is Musk a ratfuck dick for interfering with Ukraine’s operations? Absolutely. But that doesn’t mean governments should be able to compel a private company to deploy its inventions, property and services in support of military operations against its will. Fascism much?

    The real problem is relying on private companies for critical infrastructure. But what other choice did Ukraine have? Innovation and war beget innovation.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    AI slop, upvoted by bots

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    That's a nice argument, why don't you back it up with a source?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago

    source? just me reading it?

    it is clearly generated based on the cadence, vocabulary and structure.

    you can have a go at it and run these comments through some LLM detector services.

    be thankful that you don't have to interact with LLM that much that these don't become as evident to you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    I repeat here again: I do not care if eicker looks like if they use an LLM to create their comments, and as you can see others think so too. The posted content always is from reputable sources, and their comments highlight the takeaway of the articles very well (especially for those who do not read the posted links).

    There is a distinct difference between using this stuff to flood the web with slop and using it to give people a quick overview over the posted article.

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    • [–] 13 points 19 hours ago*

    Elon Musk belongs in jail.

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    [–] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Conservatives always side with evil. Always.

    It is immoral to maintain a relationship with any conservative. They are truly, deeply evil and should be treated as such.

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  • [–] -3 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    Good thing to generalize an entire group of people and try to de-humanize them. Now where have I seen that before?....

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago* (1 child)

    Oh, hey look everyone! Adolf Shitler is here to educate us on what decent people the party of fascism is. Go ahead and defend the pedophile protectors for us. I'm sure this will go exactly as you hoped.

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  • [–] -3 points 17 hours ago

    Keep making things up, it makes your arguments more convincing :D

    Nobody is giving an excuse for fascists except you. Trying to generalize and dehumanize an entire group of people is EXACTLY what fascists do. It's wild you can't see that lol.

    I wonder what you'll make up and misrepresent next? Since you have no good points to actually make.

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    [–] 6 points 1 day ago

    The sooner Europe gets its own Musk-free version of Starshield, the better

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