[–] 8 points 1 day ago (1 child)

drowned a kelpie before beating it to death

This isn't a typo - he did actually drown the dog, he then revived her (the dog, a 1 year old puppy) and beat her to death with a beer bottle.

It seems the dog didn't even do anything wrong to annoy him or anything - he apparently did all this to get at the dog's owner, saying "I want [the dog's owner] to see what happened to his precious dog."

It seems crazy to give him a suspended sentence for this. Completely psychopathic behaviour to an innocent and defenceless puppy.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Nicklin noted that the man has repeatedly said he intends to take his own life if the allegations are published, and that this must be taken seriously.

    The normal approach when someone is making serious threats to take their own life is have them committed to a psychiatric hospital rather than giving in to their every request.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    Ahh you're talking about fire crackers, aka bangers! Alright that makes more sense, yes those might be thrown around and they're not really dangerous. I remember buying a ton of them as a kid while on a trip to France, and then busying myself for the next month blowing up my old model planes. They are a type of firework of course, and they might be loud, but that's not what OP's article is about - it's about display fireworks, rockets. Throwing those around and letting them off in the street is a whole nother ball game.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

    OK so you are talking Europe-wide then, right? You are saying that major cities throughout Europe allow people to throw fireworks in the street and they somehow do it responsibly and no one gets hurt?

    Because I'm just trying to point out that that's not actually right. I'm confident that every major urban area where there are events where the public freely throw fireworks in the street has a massive injury problem and property damage associated with it.

    Germany is where I have most experience with this, having lived there for several years. They go absolutely mental with fireworks every new year. From about 6pm until 2am, in most major cities, fireworks are set off willy-nilly. People launch them from empty beer bottles, which not surprisingly often fall over. I've seen countless fireworks exploding in crowds, one time a firework skittered across the street and blew up right underneath a baby buggy. Needless to say, the baby was distraught. I've also seen someone run into the middle of a crossroads, put a large drum thing on the road and light it, it exploded with the most stupendous bang right as a car went past it. I was drinking outside one time when a firework went through an upstairs window down the street and set the apartment on fire. It is absolutely crazy and there is nothing responsible about it.

    It's the same deal in the Netherlands, although I've only experienced that first hand one time.

    I don't know if France or Spain tolerate people setting off fireworks in the street like they do in Germany and the Netherlands. I suspect it's not tolerated in Spain, I don't recall anyone letting fireworks off in the street the one time I was there for NYE.

    I'm afraid I don't believe it's any different in any large cities where this happens. The UK isn't a reckless outlier amongst a sea of responsible and yet pyromaniac European countries. Either the public do not routinely let off fireworks in the street - like in the UK for instance - or they do, and it's absolute chaos and many people are injured and thousands of pounds of damage is caused.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    That sounds like you're talking about one small place that's not well known, which is fine and everything, but you said "places all over Europe manage to successfully allow people to throw fireworks". That was just an exaggeration then?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    Where is this fabled golden land of responsible firework use you speak of? I know you're not talking about Germany, where the streets transform into a warzone every New Year's Eve. It is the most irresponsible and reckless thing I have ever experienced. Fireworks careen over the street at head height, bounce off buildings, smash through windows. They have special hospital tents set up for all the casualties and the fire service is stretched to its limits.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    34% of London residents reported noise levels increased

    29% average across England and Wales

    TBH that doesn't seem like a lot higher the average, given that it's London. Presumably you didn't choose to live in London for the peace and quiet.

    Anyway, maybe you could try launching fireworks into the aeroplanes' flight path. If you cause a serious enough crash, you could get the airport shut down *and* fireworks banned.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I wish they were motivated by workers' rights though. I don't understand why the EU never makes a deal about this.

    A massive part of the reason that Chinese goods undercut European ones is that workers in Europe are entitled to a reasonable amount of time off every week, sick pay, minimum wages and so on.

    Import tariffs on a particular country (aka customs duties) based on worker welfare in that country would help protect workers inside the EU and also encourage other countries to improve conditions at home.

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    Lemmings, please read the post don't blindly downvote because you don't like the title - this is a debate forum so if you don't want to debate, unsubscribe or just ignore, thank you!


    final edit: I guess I overlooked the sentence in the sidebar that says, “A place for theists to come and debate atheists”. I am myself atheist (using the definition in that same sidebar) so please forgive me and treat this as a debate between atheists. Thanks everyone for the great responses so far. The original post follows:

    As the title says - if you believe that our scientific worldview is accurate and mostly complete, and that consciousness is entirely explained by the interaction of atoms in our bodies, then you must believe in reincarnation.

    Here's the reasoning. If you believe your consciousness now is the same consciousness that existed in your head when you woke up this morning, despite the fact that the atoms that cause your consciousness are now arranged slightly differently and interacting differently, then there's not just one single arrangement of atoms that will cause the experience of "you" - there are many.

    If you believe, as I do, that the consciousness that exists in your head now is the same consciousness that existed in your head as a child many years ago, and is the same consciousness as the one that will exist in your body when it is decades older, then there must be a whole set of different atomic arrangements which all generate the same unique conscious mind.

    The universe today is actually fairly young. It's expected that it will continue for hundreds of trillions of years. It is a huge amount of time, and if atoms have come together in the right way to produce my consciousness now, after only 13 billion years, then it's reasonable to suppose that over the next many trillion years, the right arrangement of atoms will occur again at some future time long after this body is gone. And in fact, it's reasonable to suppose that this very same consciousness will be produced many many times over.

    I do see one other option: consciousness is recreated anew every single moment, and we only have the impression of being a single continuous consciousness thanks to memory telling us what the previous consciousnesses that lived in our bodies experienced.

    So which do you believe? You will live for ever, or you actually only live for a split second?


    I'm not any kind of Buddhist or anything. In fact I'm vehemently opposed to religions of all kinds. I do believe science offers the best way to look at the world. Unlike religion, science starts from the reality that we do not know anything for sure.

    Science questions everything and, from a starting point of pure ignorance, has gradually, cautiously and carefully, built up a coherent worldview that delivers real results - which is so much more than any religion can say.

    However there are still very big and very important questions that have not been answered, and which we do not seem any closer to answering - to name but two, why am I me and not someone else, and what will happen to me when I die.

    These are extremely important questions, and the honest approach right now is to say, "I don't know" and continue to live in ignorance.

    By posing the question of this debate post, I'd like to challenge the seemingly widespread belief amongst atheists that once we die, we disappear as if we never existed. That might be a possibility, but it is far from the certainty that many atheists believe it to be.

    I guess I overlooked the sentence in the sidebar that says, “A place for theists to come and debate atheists”. So please forgive me and treat this as a debate between atheists.

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