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[–] 127 points 6 days ago (6 children)

We still pay homage to the old gods with the "save" icon

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  • [–] 14 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I was explaining to my kids about floppy disks, and mentioned the save icon. The what? The button you press to save. It just says "save" they said.

    I think they use the Google suite at school, and apparently the save button just says "save". Although TBH I half expected them to not know of it because of auto-saving.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    They are trying to change those icons now, too. People dont recognize them so they use others.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I haven't seen that, any examples?

    I don't why they'd change that either, just because they don't know the origin, they still grew up knowing it meant "save."

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago

    I remember seeing a program that used something else once, and when I worked in web apps and websites, there was always a debate about what to use.

    A common one is a folder icon (or a tray) with a download arrow... DESPITE it being used to save locally. Same thing with a cloud with a down arrow.

    Some other programs used to use the icon for a hard disk, the three circular platters.

    If I remember the app, Ill give better examples of programs that use other things.

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  • [–] 64 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    "And the bios sayeth unto the user: Come forth and insert disk 23 of 30. And they did so. When the needle of the drive tested the disk, it had become corrupted, verily."

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  • [–] 30 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    "Thus the monkey of the isle demanded Disk 114 be inserteth. Yet there was no Disk 114 and much confusion was sewn."

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Adventure Island for NES stumped me for a while until I learned you had to do the thing

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  • [–] 19 points 6 days ago

    Not joking but I did 1800 support for Windows 95 and at the end, right before 98, there was a constant problem with a specific floppy and people would like call us and we would try to send them a cd replacement but could send the fixed floppy. It was silly because it was the most common call for a bit. Like that batch of floppies all died at the same time

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  • [–] 56 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    Windows people are starting to name their ssd a: and b:

    It's horrible

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  • [–] 36 points 6 days ago*

    ‘Dances with ribbons of mainframe tape’

    Rise ye old ones RISE

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  • [–] 29 points 5 days ago

    I just need to pause and reflect on the level of commitment in that post. They started out strong, and just kept on going.

    Absolutely outstanding.

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  • [–] 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

    Us Linux heathens never had any of the letter gods, we just worship the one and only, the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega, the one true god:

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  • [–] 22 points 6 days ago

    It's a Windows convention, but, if you are old enough, it was a DOS convention and a CP/M convention.

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  • [–] 20 points 5 days ago

    But they were, all of them, deceived, for another drive was made.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    i think even usb floppies show up as a:, don't they? i've not used windows for a decade now, thankfully.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 days ago

    Back in the XP era, I set a hard drive to B and random installers would refuse to target it because they insisted it was too small. Good times.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    I mean I purchased an external floppy for my undergrad laptop as recently as... 2004... Oh shit that was 22 years ago... Fuck a kid born a year later can legally buy alcohol and a kid born then is graduating from undergraduate....

    When did I get old?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago

    I remember building a computer in 2004 and finally making the decision to not include a floppy drive since I had just been booting from the CD drive for the past couple of issues anyways.

    I was reminded of this several years later when I made the decision not to include a disk drive in my latest build.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 days ago (7 children)

    And the CD-ROM drive was D:

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    It was called "D" for "disk", duh.

    (The above comment for legal purposes is a joke.)

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)
  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago* (3 children)

    I was convinced I had seen the spelling 'disk' before, so I looked it up and found this (new to me) and interesting distinction on wiktionary.

    In most varieties of English, disk is the preferred spelling for magnetic media (hence floppy disk, hard disk, disk drive), whereas disc is preferred for optical media (hence compact disc, digital versatile disc, optical disc). For all other uses, disk is preferred in American English and acceptable in Canadian English, and disc otherwise. Less commonly, disc is used for magnetic media (as in floppy disc and discette); similarly, disk is sometimes used for optical media, as in compact disk and optical disk.

    But also both forms seem to be usable for geometric disc shapes.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 child)

    It’s probably a replication on our languages.

    For example, in Swedish… it’s spelled telefon, not telephone. I was trying to think of a word, where in Swedish, it’s a k whereas in English, it’s a c. Ah, yes - katten for cat, as in felix.

    Did you know that laser, as in laser disc, is likely from the Swedish word läser, which means to read.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago

    I need a historical fantasy book in this concept.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago (8 children)

    TIL.

    I was small when 5.25 floppies we're around. Never even questioned "C:"

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    I was too young to catch the 5.25 ones, but had a 3.5 floppy drive. For me the question was more of "where did B: go?"

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (2 children)

    No one ever used the B:

    Games needing two floppies only worked in the A: or so it was for me...

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    8” floppy disks came before that.

    -old man

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago

    I got you, OP…

    C:\DOS

    C:\DOS\RUN

    RUN\DOS\RUN

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago

    Tribute to all the old high priests who were executing the extended memory settings ritual based on each software requirements! We are the guardians of ancient knowledde!

    You shall never be forgotten, sacred Amstrad 1512 DD, 512kB of RAM and Dual Drives, luxury of your time! Praise be to DR DOS an GEM Desktop!

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  • [–] 7 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    I was there, Gandalf.

    My first computer was Tandy. 8088 chip, I think. Orange monochrome monitor. No hard drive, 2x 5.25 floppers. Folks' co-worker asked if anyone wanted it before tossing it out.

    I'm not quite that old, though, there were the Apple IIs in the school lab.

    I learned my first bit of programming right then, figuring out batch files. Everything had to be saved on disc immediately.

    Man I was living the high life because this Tandy had a 2400 baud modem and I was soon acquainted with the wild world of BBSs.

    I didn't care that it was in monochrome because playing Usurper or Trade Wars with strangers on someone's computer half a state away was way way cooler than the Nintendo, ha ha.

    Man those were such good times.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    RadioShack Tandy 1000-TX was our first desktop.. Technically, I think we had a VIC20 for a couple weeks that was hooked up to our TV but it got returned and damn am I glad we got that IBM-compatible, CGA graphics, loud-ass behemoth.

    I can still hear the sound of the floppy drives intializing on bootup. A: was 3.5" and B: was 5.25" and the way they sounded made my 6-year old self so happy. I used to make the noises myself as it came online.

    Years later, when I write this post, I will think.. why did I ever doubt my autism diagnosis?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    My first computer was Tandy. 8088 chip, I think. Orange monochrome monitor. No hard drive, 2x 5.25 floppers.

    That sounds just like my first PC! I bought it secondhand in 1983 or 84. It was fancy because most monitors were green, and the two floppies meant you didn't have to remove the program disk to save a file. I remember laboriously typing out the code for Eliza, the first chatbot. I had a daisy wheel printer too - the paper was fan-fold and had sprocket holes down the sides.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago*

    People talk about the legacy of the floppy disk (mid-eighties to mid-aughts) being used as a save icon, but drive letters are even more extreme - and absurd - than that.

    CP/M came out in 1974 and introduced drive letters A: and B: for floppy drives, and Microsoft copied that for DOS and the early DOS-based versions of Windows. Microsoft finally killed off the DOS lineage with Windows Me in 2000, so that was 26 years of drive letters actually being part of the OS' architecture.

    Windows NT came out in 1993 - 19 years after CP/M - and didn't use drive letters but for the sake of backwards compatibility and familiarity it would emulate them. All versions of Windows since 2000 are based on NT. So we had 26 years of drive letters being needed, and 33 years of faking it for consistency.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago (7 children)

    But what of the fabled and cursed other, D: drive?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    In my mind it will always and forever be the CD-ROM drive, but any drive added to a standard Windows system (including partitions) will just continue the alphabet from C. So if you install a second hard drive (or partition your only one) it will become D, the next one will be E, and so on:

    I’ll leave it to someone else to convey this in a biblical fashion.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago

    Fabled? It's perfectly ordinary. I see the D drive all the time. At home it used to be an HDD to store things that didn't need the speed of the SSD (media, documents, etc), and now it's where USB drives end up on my work laptop.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Ah, Sierra. I played Return to Krondor back in the day, and it's a great game. Unfortunately, and if I remember correctly, the installer was kind of bugged. See, when you installed the game, it created a Sierra folder in your desired destination folder. But when you uninstalled it, it removed everything in the folder that contained the Sierra folder. I luckily installed it in my Games folder and only lost some games in the process. If you installed the game in to the root of you C drive and then uninstalled it... Well, you were in for a fun evening.

    Thanks Sierra. I'm glad you're dead.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago

    Why are some of the letters in the text weirdly "elongated"?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago*

    And then there’s Linux, no pondering about media before, it just cares which it found after another on each interface upon boot.

    Also, I’m sure the alphabet naming thing came from C/C++, which came after C, which borrowed from B, etc. And yes, there is a D, but people prefer scripting languages because reasons.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago

    Praise the omnisiah

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago

    i like to pretend the C stands for computer and that's why

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Simple A: and B: were reserved for floppies and when hard drives came along C: was the next letter. There now you know..

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I think one important detail that's missing in the OP is the reason you would have not one but two reserved floppy drives. It was so that you could copy files from one floppy to another and duplicate floppies much more easily. Also, when installing games that came on multiple floppies, you could have one drive going while you switched the other one out. For this reason both A: and B: ended up reserved for floppies, as many people had more than one.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Anyone: "In the beginning..."

    My Freakin' Brain: "Inne de beninng-ing."

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    You know… someone somewhere MUST have built a system using two floppies and, like, a CD drive or something.

    Also, trivial fact while I'm here that some may not know about: If your system only had one physical floppy, you could still use A: and B:. When you switched, it would prompt you (iirc) to swap the diskettes.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

    A CD drive but no hard disk? I don't know of a DOS/Windows that would accept such a thing.

    edit: nonsense

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    CD drivers did exist for DOS and you could absolutely boot up a system with one or two floppies, and one optical drive. MSCDEX.EXE was apparently what allowed you to connect to the optical drive.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    You're totally right. You could put DOS on one floppy and the driver on the other or just load it into RAM.

    https://archive.org/details/dos-with-cd-rom-support

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago

    I never did it - by the time I had an optical drive, I had hard drives - but I kinda wish I had such a system. So wild to have like 500 times the data on a CD (much less DVD) than the floppied you booted from! lol.

    Imagine the chaos if you could write to multi-writable CDs, too. lol. THat would have been wild.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago

    Damn A and B are just like El and Baal fr fr

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    ah the glory days of sierra games.

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