We still pay homage to the old gods with the "save" icon
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"And the bios sayeth unto the user: Come forth and insert disk 23 of 30. And they did so. When the needle of the drive tested the disk, it had become corrupted, verily."

"Thus the monkey of the isle demanded Disk 114 be inserteth. Yet there was no Disk 114 and much confusion was sewn."
Adventure Island for NES stumped me for a while until I learned you had to do the thing
Not joking but I did 1800 support for Windows 95 and at the end, right before 98, there was a constant problem with a specific floppy and people would like call us and we would try to send them a cd replacement but could send the fixed floppy. It was silly because it was the most common call for a bit. Like that batch of floppies all died at the same time
Windows people are starting to name their ssd a: and b:
It's horrible
The old ways are being forgotten. The oral history of the gray beards.
I had an xp install that defaulted my boot drive to H: and I never bothered to figure out why or change it.
I use B: for my BluRay drive. Seemed appropriate.
Eh, that sounds like a fun idea to me. I think it'd be nostalgic. I'm gonna look into that, actually :)
I just need to pause and reflect on the level of commitment in that post. They started out strong, and just kept on going.
Absolutely outstanding.
Us Linux heathens never had any of the letter gods, we just worship the one and only, the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega, the one true god:
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is that on /dev/sda ?
It's always there, even before anything is mounted. You just overlay a filesystem over it during boot.
It’s wherever came loading from initramfs and vmlinuz. Basically, whatever BIOS/UEFI found as the Lord of the Roots.
Maybe, though we stopped using that about a decade ago, I use UUID's now to identify devices.
It's a Windows convention, but, if you are old enough, it was a DOS convention and a CP/M convention.
i think even usb floppies show up as a:, don't they? i've not used windows for a decade now, thankfully.
Back in the XP era, I set a hard drive to B and random installers would refuse to target it because they insisted it was too small. Good times.
I mean I purchased an external floppy for my undergrad laptop as recently as... 2004... Oh shit that was 22 years ago... Fuck a kid born a year later can legally buy alcohol and a kid born then is graduating from undergraduate....
When did I get old?
I remember building a computer in 2004 and finally making the decision to not include a floppy drive since I had just been booting from the CD drive for the past couple of issues anyways.
I was reminded of this several years later when I made the decision not to include a disk drive in my latest build.
I used a floppy disk yesterday. In some businesses we use old equipment for a long time. Because it works.
And the CD-ROM drive was D:
It was called "D" for "disk", duh.
(The above comment for legal purposes is a joke.)
I was convinced I had seen the spelling 'disk' before, so I looked it up and found this (new to me) and interesting distinction on wiktionary.
In most varieties of English, disk is the preferred spelling for magnetic media (hence floppy disk, hard disk, disk drive), whereas disc is preferred for optical media (hence compact disc, digital versatile disc, optical disc). For all other uses, disk is preferred in American English and acceptable in Canadian English, and disc otherwise. Less commonly, disc is used for magnetic media (as in floppy disc and discette); similarly, disk is sometimes used for optical media, as in compact disk and optical disk.
But also both forms seem to be usable for geometric disc shapes.
It’s probably a replication on our languages.
For example, in Swedish… it’s spelled telefon, not telephone. I was trying to think of a word, where in Swedish, it’s a k whereas in English, it’s a c. Ah, yes - katten for cat, as in felix.
Did you know that laser, as in laser disc, is likely from the Swedish word läser, which means to read.
TIL.
I was small when 5.25 floppies we're around. Never even questioned "C:"
I was too young to catch the 5.25 ones, but had a 3.5 floppy drive. For me the question was more of "where did B: go?"
A: had the DOS used to boot the computer, B: had the application. There was no C:. Then 5.25 floppies died and most people didn't see the need for a second 3.5 drive, hence A: and B:
No one ever used the B:
Games needing two floppies only worked in the A: or so it was for me...
8” floppy disks came before that.
-old man
Tribute to all the old high priests who were executing the extended memory settings ritual based on each software requirements! We are the guardians of ancient knowledde!
You shall never be forgotten, sacred Amstrad 1512 DD, 512kB of RAM and Dual Drives, luxury of your time! Praise be to DR DOS an GEM Desktop!
I was there, Gandalf.
My first computer was Tandy. 8088 chip, I think. Orange monochrome monitor. No hard drive, 2x 5.25 floppers. Folks' co-worker asked if anyone wanted it before tossing it out.
I'm not quite that old, though, there were the Apple IIs in the school lab.
I learned my first bit of programming right then, figuring out batch files. Everything had to be saved on disc immediately.
Man I was living the high life because this Tandy had a 2400 baud modem and I was soon acquainted with the wild world of BBSs.
I didn't care that it was in monochrome because playing Usurper or Trade Wars with strangers on someone's computer half a state away was way way cooler than the Nintendo, ha ha.
Man those were such good times.
RadioShack Tandy 1000-TX was our first desktop.. Technically, I think we had a VIC20 for a couple weeks that was hooked up to our TV but it got returned and damn am I glad we got that IBM-compatible, CGA graphics, loud-ass behemoth.
I can still hear the sound of the floppy drives intializing on bootup. A: was 3.5" and B: was 5.25" and the way they sounded made my 6-year old self so happy. I used to make the noises myself as it came online.
Years later, when I write this post, I will think.. why did I ever doubt my autism diagnosis?
That’s when computing was fun and interesting.
IBM PS/2 Model 50 for me. Loudest keyboard on earth.
My first computer was Tandy. 8088 chip, I think. Orange monochrome monitor. No hard drive, 2x 5.25 floppers.
That sounds just like my first PC! I bought it secondhand in 1983 or 84. It was fancy because most monitors were green, and the two floppies meant you didn't have to remove the program disk to save a file. I remember laboriously typing out the code for Eliza, the first chatbot. I had a daisy wheel printer too - the paper was fan-fold and had sprocket holes down the sides.
People talk about the legacy of the floppy disk (mid-eighties to mid-aughts) being used as a save icon, but drive letters are even more extreme - and absurd - than that.
CP/M came out in 1974 and introduced drive letters A: and B: for floppy drives, and Microsoft copied that for DOS and the early DOS-based versions of Windows. Microsoft finally killed off the DOS lineage with Windows Me in 2000, so that was 26 years of drive letters actually being part of the OS' architecture.
Windows NT came out in 1993 - 19 years after CP/M - and didn't use drive letters but for the sake of backwards compatibility and familiarity it would emulate them. All versions of Windows since 2000 are based on NT. So we had 26 years of drive letters being needed, and 33 years of faking it for consistency.
But what of the fabled and cursed other, D: drive?
In my mind it will always and forever be the CD-ROM drive, but any drive added to a standard Windows system (including partitions) will just continue the alphabet from C. So if you install a second hard drive (or partition your only one) it will become D, the next one will be E, and so on:
I’ll leave it to someone else to convey this in a biblical fashion.
Fabled? It's perfectly ordinary. I see the D drive all the time. At home it used to be an HDD to store things that didn't need the speed of the SSD (media, documents, etc), and now it's where USB drives end up on my work laptop.
There were times when a Windows reinstall would name the system drive E: instead of C:, usually if one tried to reinstall without reformatting. That was truly, horribly cursed.
D: for opdtical drive.
Ah, Sierra. I played Return to Krondor back in the day, and it's a great game. Unfortunately, and if I remember correctly, the installer was kind of bugged. See, when you installed the game, it created a Sierra folder in your desired destination folder. But when you uninstalled it, it removed everything in the folder that contained the Sierra folder. I luckily installed it in my Games folder and only lost some games in the process. If you installed the game in to the root of you C drive and then uninstalled it... Well, you were in for a fun evening.
Thanks Sierra. I'm glad you're dead.
And then there’s Linux, no pondering about media before, it just cares which it found after another on each interface upon boot.
Also, I’m sure the alphabet naming thing came from C/C++, which came after C, which borrowed from B, etc. And yes, there is a D, but people prefer scripting languages because reasons.
Simple A: and B: were reserved for floppies and when hard drives came along C: was the next letter. There now you know..
I think one important detail that's missing in the OP is the reason you would have not one but two reserved floppy drives. It was so that you could copy files from one floppy to another and duplicate floppies much more easily. Also, when installing games that came on multiple floppies, you could have one drive going while you switched the other one out. For this reason both A: and B: ended up reserved for floppies, as many people had more than one.
Anyone: "In the beginning..."
My Freakin' Brain: "Inne de beninng-ing."
You know… someone somewhere MUST have built a system using two floppies and, like, a CD drive or something.
Also, trivial fact while I'm here that some may not know about: If your system only had one physical floppy, you could still use A: and B:. When you switched, it would prompt you (iirc) to swap the diskettes.
A CD drive but no hard disk? I don't know of a DOS/Windows that would accept such a thing.
edit: nonsense
CD drivers did exist for DOS and you could absolutely boot up a system with one or two floppies, and one optical drive. MSCDEX.EXE was apparently what allowed you to connect to the optical drive.
You're totally right. You could put DOS on one floppy and the driver on the other or just load it into RAM.
I never did it - by the time I had an optical drive, I had hard drives - but I kinda wish I had such a system. So wild to have like 500 times the data on a CD (much less DVD) than the floppied you booted from! lol.
Imagine the chaos if you could write to multi-writable CDs, too. lol. THat would have been wild.
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